Five Hokages vs 8 Gates Gai

[KeyofDestiny]

idk. its durable and strong enough to withstand the physical strength of PS. it existed in a destroyed state after 4 super juubi bijudamas similar to the bijudama tree that fired them, so evening elephant or night gai tearing it apart doesnt seem likely.

It did? Don't remember that part.

 

[TheSages456]

It did? Don't remember that part.

there was mokuton behind hashirama shown after the explosion. this was not the bijudama tree.

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[Apêx1]

@Apex: Is there proof that the AoE is big enough to cover large portion (say over half), of SS?

Well 7th Gate was larger then turtle island - fact. Turtle Island is not much smaller then SS based on how badly it dwarfs Hachibi. If anything the boost 8th Gate would give the Hirudora would make it quite a bit larger then SS.

SS can be in the explosion of it's attack colliding with Madara's BD barrage and still come out intact, but with all it's arms destroyed. How in the world is Hirudora, regardless of it being 8G Gai, going to wipe out half of it?

Don't see why Gai can't just go behind the SS and then kick up in the air to use it at a point closer to Hashirama. Sure, it won't wipe out, but the portion within the explosion will surely take quite some damage, and EE is definitely doing big damage if Gai gets close to Hashirama based on the crater and the distance it sent Madara after breaking the Gudo dama shield. Really don't see how Hashirama would survive if Gai decides to use several Hirudora's, if he decided to unleasy 1000 times the amount of fire he did in 6G and light a large portion of the Mokuton on fire, or if he ends up using using EE shockwaves. If 7G destroyed v3, then I definitely believe 8G would give it the power to do damage to SS given the difference in power of 7G and 8G.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Don't see why Gai can't just go behind the SS and then kick up in the air to use it at a point closer to Hashirama. Sure, it won't wipe out, but the portion within the explosion will surely take quite some damage, and EE is definitely doing big damage if Gai gets close to Hashirama based on the crater and the distance it sent Madara after breaking the Gudo dama shield. Really don't see how Hashirama would survive if Gai decides to use several Hirudora's, if he decided to unleasy 1000 times the amount of fire he did in 6G and light a large portion of the Mokuton on fire, or if he ends up using using EE shockwaves. If 7G destroyed v3, then I definitely believe 8G would give it the power to do damage to SS given the difference in power of 7G and 8G.

Yeah, already know he'd shit on Hashirama, but I'm just wondering why you think a single Hirudora in 8G would wipe out a large portion of the statue. Evening Elephant is not stronger than 12 giant Bijuu Dama barrages. Hirudora isn't stronger than Evening Elephant either. So there's no way that 1 Hirudora wipes out a large portion of the statue.

there was mokuton behind hashirama shown after the explosion. this was not the bijudama tree.

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Hmm, as crazy as it sounds to me, I can't deny that you have a point here.

 

[Rιver]

I read this thread and someone says PS tanks NG when Madara got annihilated. Seriously? Wasn't PS' best feat tanking TBB?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

I read this thread and someone says PS tanks NG when Madara got annihilated. Seriously? Wasn't PS' best feat tanking TBB?

Madara's Susanoo's best feat in a downgraded size is being in the center of 12 Giant Bijuu Dama and Chojo Kebutsu's explosion and leaving Madara protected with no damage.

 

[Rιver]

Madara's Susanoo's best feat in a downgraded size is being in the center of 12 Giant Bijuu Dama and Chojo Kebutsu's explosion and leaving Madara protected with no damage.

...Yeah.

And Madara tanked all EE with not much damage. And YRS.

:|

 

[KeyofDestiny]

...Yeah.

And Madara tanked all EE with not much damage. And YRS.

:|

1. He was wrecked by YRS.

2. Irrelevant because YRS is not stronger than 12 Giant Bijuu Dama and Chojo Kebutsu.

3. Same goes for Evening Elephant.

I really hope that you aren't suggesting that JJ Madara is more durable than Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Black Mamba]

People acting like Gai has to fight buddha, he simply runs up the buddha and EE to Hashi's face...r.i.p

 

[Rιver]

1. He was wrecked by YRS.

2. Irrelevant because YRS is not stronger than 12 Giant Bijuu Dama and Chojo Kebutsu.

3. Same goes for Evening Elephant.

I really hope that you aren't suggesting that JJ Madara is more durable than Perfect Susanoo.

How was he wrecked by YRS and EE? Does wrecked mean spitting blood or dead? And how does Bijuudama compare to either?

No, I am saying that PS tanking NG is baseless assumption.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

How was he wrecked by YRS and EE? Does wrecked mean spitting blood or dead? And how does Bijuudama compare to either?

No, I am saying that PS tanking NG is baseless assumption.

His torso was obliterated, he was almost cut in half and he was left laying on the ground, defeated. Never said he was wrecked by Evening Elephant.

1. Stop saying Bijuu Dama. It's not a Bijuu Dama.
2. The question here is, how does Evening Elephant compare to this:

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Those are Mountains. Evening Elephant has two feats. Beating the crap out of Madara, and breaking through his Gudo Dama. Breaking through the Gudo Dama with a direct hit only proves that it's far far stronger than BSM Bijuu Dama and Senjutsu Susanoo Arrow. Not that it will match 12 Giant Bijuu Dama along with an attack that matched those Bijuu Dama.

YRS cut the Shinju, but fire burns through wood easier than it would anything else let alone Lava enhanced by Wind. Then there's the fact that the AoE isn't larger than what happened at VoTe either. So how exactly is it stronger?

Will it tank Night Guy with ease? No. But it's debatable on whether it would run through PS and kill Madara. I personally believe it'd do enough damage to get past and kill the user. Not to mention Beans never said it tanks Night Guy.

 

[Apêx1]

Yeah, already know he'd shit on Hashirama, but I'm just wondering why you think a single Hirudora in 8G would wipe out a large portion of the statue. Evening Elephant is not stronger than 12 giant Bijuu Dama barrages. Hirudora isn't stronger than Evening Elephant either. So there's no way that 1 Hirudora wipes out a large portion of the statue

I feel like it's due to the TBB's and hirudora being very different forms of damage. TBB exerts no pressure in its explosion, its pure kinetic energy. Whenever people are in it, they don't fly back or anything, they just take damage and stand their ground. The Hirudora is condensed air pressure, and I'd think if you put a lot of pressure on the wood, it'd snap like in real life. Madara's got destroyed by Naruto's COR which isn't even v2 level, albeit Hashirama>Madara. But you can't really say that the difference between Hashirama's and Madara's mokuton is the difference between putting no scratch on v2 and annihalating a v3. TBB destroyed the dragon with its ball alone, no explosion. So I definitely believe that Hirudora upgraded by 8th gate should put it at the level to exert enough pressure for the destruction of a large portion of the SS. Same applies to EE. If you look at the crater it created, it doesn't seem really plausible for the Mokuton to just stop such a shockwave, I see it putting quite a dent/hole in whereever Hashirama is protecting himself. And the 12 barrages would all be weaker TBB's. It seems illogical to assume that a BD barrage can create comparable destructive power to a standard BD based on when Naruto and Bee used the barrage. Not to take away from it or anything, I just wouldnt consider it an actual 12 TBB combined. Also, I don't see why EE's single punch would be >8G Hirudora if they are both shockwaves, but Hirudora requires a special stance and uses both hands, and focuses the power into a single point.

I read this thread and someone says PS tanks NG when Madara got annihilated. Seriously? Wasn't PS' best feat tanking TBB?

Depends on how you interpret him distorting space.

 

[Rιver]

His torso was obliterated, he was almost cut in half and he was left laying on the ground, defeated. Never said he was wrecked by Evening Elephant.

1. Stop saying Bijuu Dama. It's not a Bijuu Dama.
2. The question here is, how does Evening Elephant compare to this:

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Those are Mountains. Evening Elephant has two feats. Beating the crap out of Madara, and breaking through his Gudo Dama. Breaking through the Gudo Dama with a direct hit only proves that it's far far stronger than BSM Bijuu Dama and Senjutsu Susanoo Arrow. Not that it will match 12 Giant Bijuu Dama along with an attack that matched those Bijuu Dama.

YRS cut the Shinju, but fire burns through wood easier than it would anything else let alone Lava enhanced by Wind. Then there's the fact that the AoE isn't larger than what happened at VoTe either. So how exactly is it stronger?

Will it tank Night Guy with ease? No. But it's debatable on whether it would run through PS and kill Madara. I personally believe it'd do enough damage to get past and kill the user. Not to mention Beans never said it tanks Night Guy.

Lol... I'll reply to this later.

 

[KingHashirama]

People do realize Minato and Tobirama can FTG before getting hit? o-o

 

[KeyofDestiny]

I feel like it's due to the TBB's and hirudora being very different forms of damage. TBB exerts no pressure in its explosion, its pure kinetic energy. Whenever people are in it, they don't fly back or anything, they just take damage and stand their ground. The Hirudora is condensed air pressure, and I'd think if you put a lot of pressure on the wood, it'd snap like in real life.

It doesn't apply pressure like Hirudora does, but explosions produce heat unlike Gai's attack. Pretty sure heat would work better on wood than pressure. No to mention this isn't even normal wood.

Madara's got destroyed by Naruto's COR which isn't even v2 level, albeit Hashirama>Madara.

A normal Rasen Shuriken would wreck V2 let alone a COR. Not to mention Shinsuusenju>>>>>>Mokuryu.

But you can't really say that the difference between Hashirama's and Madara's mokuton is the difference between putting no scratch on v2 and annihalating a v3. TBB destroyed the dragon with its ball alone, no explosion. So I definitely believe that Hirudora upgraded by 8th gate should put it at the level to exert enough pressure for the destruction of a large portion of the SS. Same applies to EE. If you look at the crater it created, it doesn't seem really plausible for the Mokuton to just stop such a shockwave, I see it putting quite a dent/hole in whereever Hashirama is protecting himself. And the 12 barrages would all be weaker TBB's. It seems illogical to assume that a BD barrage can create comparable destructive power to a standard BD based on when Naruto and Bee used the barrage. Not to take away from it or anything, I just wouldnt consider it an actual 12 TBB combined. Also, I don't see why EE's single punch would be >8G Hirudora if they are both shockwaves, but Hirudora requires a special stance and uses both hands, and focuses the power into a single point.

But I do agree that Hashirama and Madara's Mokuton Jutsu are equal.

-What BD did to Mokuryu is irrelevant since SS is far stronger and far larger and far more durable.
-The crater was deep, but not wide and not anywhere near as large as the whole of VoTe, which came about from Madara and Hashirama's final clash, something SS was in and came out with only it's arms destroyed.
-The BD barrage being weaker BDs is not only irrelevant since the size of the explosion is still visible, and

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-And no, like I've explained to you like 3 times now, they all hit at the same time, they all explode at the same time, it is all one explosion, thus all the energy is combined.

Why would an enhanced 7G technique be stronger than an 8G technique? That's almost like saying Sasuke's enhanced Susanoo is stronger than his PS, enhanced by the same thing.

 

[Apêx1]

It doesn't apply pressure like Hirudora does, but explosions produce heat unlike Gai's attack. Pretty sure heat would work better on wood than pressure. No to mention this isn't even normal wood.

I'd think if normal heat worked Madara would be lighting all Mokuton's on fire with his Juubi Katon. Pressure has canonically destroyed Mokuton several times, so if anything it should definitely work.

A normal Rasen Shuriken would wreck V2 let alone a COR. Not to mention Shinsuusenju>>>>>>Mokuryu.

Agree on this. FRS should wreck any Mokuton too though since its penetrative properties would be > TBBRS regardless of its inferior momentum. Edit: wait are you saying let alone a COR as in COR>frs and v2?

But I do agree that Hashirama and Madara's Mokuton Jutsu are equal.

-What BD did to Mokuryu is irrelevant since SS is far stronger and far larger and far more durable.
-The crater was deep, but not wide and not anywhere near as large as the whole of VoTe, which came about from Madara and Hashirama's final clash, something SS was in and came out with only it's arms destroyed.
-The BD barrage being weaker BDs is not only irrelevant since the size of the explosion is still visible, and

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-And no, like I've explained to you like 3 times now, they all hit at the same time, they all explode at the same time, it is all one explosion, thus all the energy is combined.

-Agreed
-Disagree with your logic. We are talking 1 punch created said crater in contrast to something worth 1000's of punches.
-Fair enough.
-I meant to say a real 12 seperste TBB rather then a barrage version tbb.

Why would an enhanced 7G technique be stronger than an 8G technique? That's almost like saying Sasuke's enhanced Susanoo is stronger than his PS, enhanced by the same thing.

Bad analogy. EE is only stronger when you take into account the steps. A single punch from EE has no reason to be greater then Hirudora when Hirudora is the fastest punch Gai can produce but with both hands and a hand seal. Not seeing how a single normal shockwave punch would be >Hirudora. Only all of EE combined is >>>Hirudora.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

I'd think if normal heat worked Madara would be lighting all Mokuton's on fire with his Juubi Katon. Pressure has canonically destroyed Mokuton several times, so if anything it should definitely work.

Depends on the strength and size of the Mokuton. Pressure attacks destroying Mokuton isn't evidence that pressure will work far better than Bijuu Dama despite the ridiculous gap in power.

Agree on this.FRS should wreck any Mokuton too though since its penetrative properties would be > TBBRS regardless of its inferior momentum.

It being able to penetrate better doesn't mean it can penetrate all Mokuton regardless of how strong it was.

-Disagree with your logic. We are talking 1 punch created said crater in contrast to something worth 1000's of punches.

Which doesn't matter since the comparison is SS's barrage vs. Evening Elephant, and VoTE is many many many times larger than what Evening Elephant has pulled off on panel. How many hands SS had to use to pull it off changes nothing.

-I meant to say a real 12 seperste TBB rather then a barrage version tbb.

Oh.

Bad analogy. EE is only stronger when you take into account the steps. A single punch from EE has no reason to be greater then Hirudora when Hirudora is the fastest punch Gai can produce but with both hands and a hand seal. Not seeing how a single normal shockwave punch would be >Hirudora. Only all of EE combined is >>>Hirudora.

Ok, let's say that Hirudora is stronger than a single step of Evening Elephant assuming 8G Gai can use it. So that'd just make it SS's punches>hypothetical 8G Hirudora>One Evening Elephant.

 

[EZQ]

Tsunade tanks all via regen, katsuyu immune to gates

I had my doubts before, but now i definitely know it, this is a troll account.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Scenario 1, the kages win. Gai would wreck any of the hokages, but the issue is that between evening elephant and Night Gai, he'll only take out 2 targets, leaving him, well, dead (unless he doesn't start in 8 gates, but if he doesn't, the hokages will gang up on him)

Scenario 2, he obviously wins.

 

[Beans2]

LMAO ? we got kidgamer on his alt ? ?

How do you make emojis work on these forums? ?