Chiyo and Tobirama vs EMS Sasuke

[Brother Numpsay]

Location: Mindless vs Juubito vs SA (Deity Gates are in their area too)

Intel: Manga

Distance: Reason...

Restrictions: PS. ET.

Conditions: Lion Head Kannon grows base on the LoS of its target. Chiyo can summon more mechanical arms if she needs them[

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P.S. please gives reasons why so and so wins. Dont waste post count just to say this character wins.

 

[Beans2]

Sasuke wins

 

[KingHashirama]

PS is restricted.. going with Tobirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke wins.

Chiyo is a non factor first of all. Her Lion Headed Kannon is useless because of Susanoo. Jutsu works by sealing the tenketsu of the target after pinning them.

1. Susanoo prevents Sasuke from being pinned.
2. Susanoo has no tenketsu to seal.
3. Susanoo would swing it's blade and destroy the Lion Headed Kannon in one strike.

That is the only contribution she can make to this fight that'd even begin to matter. Tobirama's only chance is to pretty much run away from Susanoo using Hiraishin the whole match, considering the fact that engaging Susanoo means that he dies due to his Choku Tomoe precognition and his Full bodied Armored Susanoo. Teleporting it away isn't happening since he can cover his Susanoo with Enton, and all marked locations and marked Kunai can be set ablaze with Enton Magatama, not to mention he doesn't have the amount of Kunai Minato does, so after cutting off all of Tobirama's escape points, Sasuke kills him with Susanoo, or he uses Kirin since he can't escape on foot, and with no marked location to warp to, it's death for him.

 

[Black Mamba]

PS is restricted and is ET = enton?

Tobirama wins by himself he can sense chakra and avoid amaterasu with ftg, he's been fighting Uchiha's seen he was a kid so he knows how to fight them and bypass genjutsu. None of his reg fire techs will work against his water techs, and it's gonna be hard landing chidori on a ftg user. Tobirama outlasts him once Sasuke is drained of chakra ftg blitz.

 

[Chīkara]

Lol @ET = Enton.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Chiyo is a non factor first of all. Her Lion Headed Kannon is useless because of Susanoo. Jutsu works by sealing the tenketsu of the target after pinning them.

1. Susanoo prevents Sasuke from being pinned.
2. Susanoo has no tenketsu to seal.
3. Susanoo would swing it's blade and destroy the Lion Headed Kannon in one strike.

I was under the impression that Susanoo still connects with the user chakra (Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra). So its not Susanoo tenketsu being seal, its Sasukes. Although the side effects is irrelevant to EMS, gaining Hashirama cells, or being Edo, it still was stated that Susanoo consumes the user's vital life force and stamina.

I believe Lion should be able to connect it with Sasuke's chakra.

That is the only contribution she can make to this fight that'd even begin to matter.

There's more she can contribute:

1.) Chiyo can allow her seal to be connected with Tobirama's FTG, similar to how Minato allow him to be connected with his. Other examples of would be Minato connecting his FTG with 8 Trigram. Or the fact that Tobirama can mix S/T seals with Explosive seals. Just throwing these evidence of being plausible.

2.) Allow her puppets to be tagged, which allows 12 more spots of warping decisions.

3.) If "1)" is possible then she can help set up planting more of her Fuinjutsu (either on top or behind Deity Gates)

Tobirama's only chance is to pretty much run away from Susanoo using Hiraishin the whole match, considering the fact that engaging Susanoo means that he dies due to his Choku Tomoe precognition and his Full bodied Armored Susanoo.

FTG and puppets helps gets close to tag him.

Teleporting it away isn't happening since he can cover his Susanoo with Enton, and all marked locations and marked Kunai can be set ablaze with Enton Magatama, not to mention he doesn't have the amount of Kunai Minato does, so after cutting off all of Tobirama's escape points, Sasuke kills him with Susanoo, or he uses Kirin since he can't escape on foot, and with no marked location to warp to, it's death for him.

Enton is not an issue when one can sacrifice clones arm, mechanical arm(check OP), or simply warp the flames away for touching his chakra.

Addressed Marked location and limited used of prepped marked.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was under the impression that Susanoo still connects with the user chakra (Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra). So its not Susanoo tenketsu being seal, its Sasukes. Although the side effects is irrelevant to EMS, gaining Hashirama cells, or being Edo, it still was stated that Susanoo consumes the user's vital life force and stamina.

I believe Lion should be able to connect it with Sasuke's chakra.

Is it connected with the user's chakra? Yes. Does that mean that Lion Kannon itself can connect to Susanoo and seal Sasuke's tenketsu despite no contact being made? No. Lions Kannon needs to physically hit the target to bind their Tenketsu.

There's more she can contribute:

1.) Chiyo can allow her seal to be connected with Tobirama's FTG, similar to how Minato allow him to be connected with his. Other examples of would be Minato connecting his FTG with 8 Trigram. Or the fact that Tobirama can mix S/T seals with Explosive seals. Just throwing these evidence of being plausible.

Not how it works. Minato and Tobirama were only able to do that because their jutsu formula both used the same exact technique. He can't randomly connect to an unrelated seal. Minato didn't connect his Hiraishin with 8 Trigram. His jutsu formula is in the sealing technique somehow, that's what he did to Kushina too. Not sure how he did it, but there's no evidence that Tobirama can do it here.

2.) Allow her puppets to be tagged, which allows 12 more spots of warping decisions.

Yeah, right up until the point of their destruction.

3.) If "1)" is possible then she can help set up planting more of her Fuinjutsu (either on top or behind Deity Gates)

It's not possible.

FTG and puppets helps gets close to tag him.

To teleport to Susanoo, he needs to throw Kunai. Enton Magatama would deflect every single Kunai and destroy every single puppet. Or a swing of the Enton Blade does that.

Enton is not an issue when one can sacrifice clones arm, mechanical arm(check OP), or simply warp the flames away for touching his chakra.

Clones won't be able to touch it without poofing, not sure how Chiyo's mechanical arm helps him warp Susanoo away when he himself needs to make contact with it, and warping the flames away requires that he touches them, meaning he gets caught on fire and he can't put it out. Not to mention Sasuke would just replace the flame while Tobirama tries to touch and warp his Susanoo away again. Not to mention after his first failed attempt, Sasuke can just break away since his Susanoo has legs.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Is it connected with the user's chakra? Yes. Does that mean that Lion Kannon itself can connect to Susanoo and seal Sasuke's tenketsu despite no contact being made? No. Lions Kannon needs to physically hit the target to bind their Tenketsu.

It also imprints the seal on walls and floor too. So the physical part may not be the Fuinjutsu it imprints would.

Not how it works. Minato and Tobirama were only able to do that because their jutsu formula both used the same exact technique. He can't randomly connect to an unrelated seal. Minato didn't connect his Hiraishin with 8 Trigram. His jutsu formula is in the sealing technique somehow, that's what he did to Kushina too. Not sure how he did it, but there's no evidence that Tobirama can do it here.

@Bold, thats exactly what it means...

Tobirama's S/T and Explosive seals are unrelated too, doesn't stop him from creating the jutsu to mix together..

Yeah, right up until the point of their destruction.

If they can help get Sasuke seal at the end of the day, oh well.

To teleport to Susanoo, he needs to throw Kunai. Enton Magatama would deflect every single Kunai and destroy every single puppet. Or a swing of the Enton Blade does that.

Clones makes this omni direction and Puppets cover too, so the directions of Sasuke's attack would be limited of success

Clones won't be able to touch it without poofing, not sure how Chiyo's mechanical arm helps him warp Susanoo away when he himself needs to make contact with it, and warping the flames away requires that he touches them, meaning he gets caught on fire and he can't put it out. Not to mention Sasuke would just replace the flame while Tobirama tries to touch and warp his Susanoo away again. Not to mention after his first failed attempt, Sasuke can just break away since his Susanoo has legs.

Clones arent going poof just because their hand touch the flames. You can link your chakra to a mechanical arm, so physical contact would just be sacrificing an amutee. @Bold What? His not putting it out, his warping it out.

 

[KidGamer65]

It also imprints the seal on walls and floor too. So the physical part may not be the Fuinjutsu it imprints would.

If she puts on the ground and he's in the center, then the physical part is irrelevant. If she uses the physical part though, she has to get him with it as the physical part is the center.

Either way, it can't touch Sasuke through Susanoo so it can't block his Tenketsu. Not to mention Susanoo just destroys the kannon, so it doesn't even matter.

@Bold, thats exactly what it means...

Tobirama's S/T and Explosive seals are unrelated too, doesn't stop him from creating the jutsu to mix together..

No, it's not. Minato physically putting his sealing formula in the sealing formula of Naruto and Kushina's seal is nothing compared to Tobirama linking to Minato's marking. To add on to that: Why would a chakra link between Minato and Naruto's seal exist after Minato's death? Makes no sense.

Tobirama doesn't combine S/T and Explosive Seals. Lol.

If they can help get Sasuke seal at the end of the day, oh well.

They won't though.

Clones makes this omni direction and Puppets cover too, so the directions of Sasuke's attack would be limited of success

Susanoo has a full body. It can turn and twist around to hit every direction, and it can jump if it wants to rain down on them from above.

Clones arent going poof just because their hand touch the flames. You can link your chakra to a mechanical arm, so physical contact would just be sacrificing an amutee. @Bold What? His not putting it out, his warping it out.

Clones poof because of punches and kicks. They poof from the hottest and strongest flame hitting them. Not to mention Kagutsuchi can change them to an offensive shape such as a spike, which means they will poof regardless.

Where was this shown, stated or implied? Don't mention Chiyo, because her limb is a mechanical arm. I want proof that Tobirama can link his chakra with a mechanical arm and use it as if it were his own arm? Regardless, Kagutsuchi would change the flame into spikes and destroy the mechanical arm.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If she puts on the ground and he's in the center, then the physical part is irrelevant. If she uses the physical part though, she has to get him with it as the physical part is the center.

Either way, it can't touch Sasuke through Susanoo so it can't block his Tenketsu. Not to mention Susanoo just destroys the kannon, so it doesn't even matter.

If the Formula itself touches Sasuke Sussanoo then my point stands. It would be pretty much the same as Juugo and Onoki connecting their own chakra to Susanoo.

Kannon gets destroyed only if they attempt to openly fire it with no strategy upon landing it.

No, it's not. Minato physically putting his sealing formula in the sealing formula of Naruto and Kushina's seal is nothing compared to Tobirama linking to Minato's marking. To add on to that: Why would a chakra link between Minato and Naruto's seal exist after Minato's death? Makes no sense.

@Bold, they aren't same, true. But both of these examples show how FTG works with both related and unrelated seals mixing.

Tobirama doesn't combine S/T and Explosive Seals. Lol.

Um yes it does. The explosive tag slips summons other explosive tag slips.... Therefore it can summon and explode...

Susanoo has a full body. It can turn and twist around to hit every direction, and it can jump if it wants to rain down on them from above.

Turning and Twisting doesnt beat omni directional of options unless they are all moving at the same pace. Only thing that it can rain on them when jumping is Enton Maga, which is dodge-able to these two.

Clones poof because of punches and kicks. They poof from the hottest and strongest flame hitting them.

They go poof because those punches and kicks can knock them out. Not the same as touching flame with a single usage of your limb.

Not to mention Kagutsuchi can change them to an offensive shape such as a spike, which means they will poof regardless.

Makes much more sense then above. In that case, dealing with a untouchable sitting duck would require Gojo or Warping Dropping Deity Gates on top of him.

Where was this shown, stated or implied? Don't mention Chiyo, because her limb is a mechanical arm. I want proof that Tobirama can link his chakra with a mechanical arm and use it as if it were his own arm? Regardless, Kagutsuchi would change the flame into spikes and destroy the mechanical arm.

Chiyo can use her real arm to connect her chakra for Ma and Pa to hold chakra shields. Same as Kunkuro when using Scorpion in War arc. Chakra Sheilds are physical manifestation of the users chakra spread into a sheet. Base on its fuction, using the amputee is no different then sending chakra to a kunai. So at this point your going to have to use reason that can do it.

 

[KidGamer65]

If the Formula itself touches Sasuke Sussanoo then my point stands. It would be pretty much the same as Juugo and Onoki connecting their own chakra to Susanoo.

No, it's not. Onoki has never connected his chakra to Susanoo. Jugo only passed chakra on to Susanoo, he never made a connection to it let alone to Sasuke. What you are saying is baseless and it makes zero sense. Touching Sasuke's Susanoo is irrelevant as it only seals by blocking the Tenketsu of the target. If it can't get Sasuke, it can't get his Tenketsu. Susanoo being caught doesn't mean that Sasuke is caught.

Kannon gets destroyed only if they attempt to openly fire it with no strategy upon landing it.

Then tell me how they land it.

@Bold, they aren't same, true. But both of these examples show how FTG works with both related and unrelated seals mixing.

Which doesn't even begin to prove your point, since how they work with related and unrelated seals doesn't mean that Tobirama can do any of that here.

Um yes it does. The explosive tag slips summons other explosive tag slips.... Therefore it can summon and explode...

That's not Hiraishin. That's simply weapon tag summoning, something Sasuke has been using since part 1. Only difference is that it's on an explosive tag.

Turning and Twisting doesnt beat omni directional of options unless they are all moving at the same pace. Only thing that it can rain on them when jumping is Enton Maga, which is dodge-able to these two.

Yes, it does. If they are tossing Kunai at them from all ranges, Sasuke only needs to turn his Susanoo so that the Magatama hit all the Kunai before they reach his Susanoo. How fast they are moving in relation to each other is irrelevant.

Tobirama can dodge it, but her puppets aren't evading jack, nor is she evading a rain of Enton Magatama aided by Sasuke's precognition.

They go poof because those punches and kicks can knock them out. Not the same as touching flame with a single usage of your limb.

No, it's not the same. It's worse because Enton Flame>Normal punches and kicks.

Makes much more sense then above. In that case, dealing with a untouchable sitting duck would require Gojo or Warping Dropping Deity Gates on top of him.

No ET=No Gojo. Nor can he drop the Deity Gates on him. If he tries to warp it above Sasuke and catch him like that, then he'd just use Enton to blast the Kunai away from his area, thus his strategy fails. Or Sasuke puts down Susanoo and evades it on foot.

Chiyo can use her real arm to connect her chakra for Ma and Pa to hold chakra shields. Same as Kunkuro when using Scorpion in War arc. Chakra Sheilds are physical manifestation of the users chakra spread into a sheet. Base on its fuction, using the amputee is no different then sending chakra to a kunai. So at this point your going to have to use reason that can do it.

Provide links to where they did this in the Manga so I can make a proper judgement.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No, it's not. Onoki has never connected his chakra to Susanoo. Jugo only passed chakra on to Susanoo, he never made a connection to it let alone to Sasuke. What you are saying is baseless and it makes zero sense. Touching Sasuke's Susanoo is irrelevant as it only seals by blocking the Tenketsu of the target. If it can't get Sasuke, it can't get his Tenketsu. Susanoo being caught doesn't mean that Sasuke is caught.

Onoki used weight technique on Susanoo. @Bold, not what I read here[

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I dont how its not making any sense. Susanoo is connected to Sasuke's chakra, to which the seal can respond by.

Then tell me how they land it.

Landing it away from his LoS.

Which doesn't even begin to prove your point, since how they work with related and unrelated seals doesn't mean that Tobirama can do any of that here.

Why?

That's not Hiraishin. That's simply weapon tag summoning, something Sasuke has been using since part 1. Only difference is that it's on an explosive tag.

Didnt say it was Hirasishin. What I stated is it works as both S/T and Explosive Tag. Two different seals mixed

Yes, it does. If they are tossing Kunai at them from all ranges, Sasuke only needs to turn his Susanoo so that the Magatama hit all the Kunai before they reach his Susanoo. How fast they are moving in relation to each other is irrelevant.

Well you have no evidence of that feat.

Tobirama can dodge it, but her puppets aren't evading jack, nor is she evading a rain of Enton Magatama aided by Sasuke's precognition.

Um yes she does. Not when she canonically evaded FRS along with Samurai corpse used as puppets. Only issue would be raining Enton Maga, if thats even possible. Sounds like a no limit fallacy to me.

No, it's not the same. It's worse because Enton Flame>Normal punches and kicks.

Same reason these two dont relate is the same reason you can't argue the effects would relate.

No ET=No Gojo. Nor can he drop the Deity Gates on him. If he tries to warp it above Sasuke and catch him like that, then he'd just use Enton to blast the Kunai away from his area, thus his strategy fails. Or Sasuke puts down Susanoo and evades it on foot.

A Clone or a Puppet can be a sacrifice. Clones and Puppets can act as the Medium of dropping Deity Gates not the Kunai. So no he isn't making it in time to realize.

Provide links to where they did this in the Manga so I can make a proper judgement.

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[KidGamer65]

Onoki used weight technique on Susanoo. @Bold, not what I read here[

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Oro states that he injected Jugo's chakra in Sasuke to see if he could release the Curse Mark's power. But that didn't happen right then and there, so it's irrelevant. Everything else refers to the chakra merging and adapting with the Susanoo.

I dont how its not making any sense. Susanoo is connected to Sasuke's chakra, to which the seal can respond by.

The seal works by sealing Tenketsu by pinning the user. Unless you have more than baseless claims here, that is the only way it seals Sasuke.

Landing it away from his LoS.

Good luck. Lol. Gonna need to be way more specific than that btw.

Why?

Because:

1. Zero evidence.
2. That is an ability Minato showed that is completely unrelated to how Hiraishin works. He was able to graft his formula into their seals because he can. When has Tobirama said that he can do so?

Didnt say it was Hirasishin. What I stated is it works as both S/T and Explosive Tag. Two different seals mixed

Which doesn't prove that Tobirama can link with Chiyo's seal. That isn't even a link, that's two sealing patterns/formulas put on the same paper.

Well you have no evidence of that feat.

No evidence that Sasuke's Magatama and or blade moves faster than Kunai?

Oh wait. Lol.

-Matches FRS in speed.

Um yes she does. Not when she canonically evaded FRS along with Samurai corpse used as puppets. Only issue would be raining Enton Maga, if thats even possible. Sounds like a no limit fallacy to me.

There is no on panel feat of her evading FRS. Even if there was, evading a single FRS=/=Evading a barrage of Magatama that move just as fast.

And what in the world are you talking about? By rain Enton on them I mean use multiple waves of this:

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While he's in mid air. The no limits fallacy literally has nothing to do with this since I never claimed that his Enton has no limits when it comes to power or the amount he can produce at one time.

Same reason these two dont relate is the same reason you can't argue the effects would relate.

Regardless, you've already agreed spikes work, so I'm not gonna waste time trying to convince you that flame is enough.

A Clone or a Puppet can be a sacrifice. Clones and Puppets can act as the Medium of dropping Deity Gates not the Kunai. So no he isn't making it in time to realize.

Which won't work unless the clones and/or puppets get above Sasuke before he can do something about it, but all puppets that jump at him get obliterated by Enton Magatama, and Tobirama's clones get swatted by the Enton Blade. Either they warp away or they die. Either way, this strategy isn't working. Even if Susanoo gets caught, Sasuke would drop it or downgrade to something smaller so he can slip out of the gates.

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Then I guess you have some kind of a point, though Enton spikes would still destroy her extra mechanical arm that Tobirama is using to try and warp Susanoo.

 

[Unorthodox]

I just knew he was going to try a argument a stomp Match Sasuke neg-low diff amaterasu or susanoo arrow gg chiyo kirin kills tobirama running as

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke probably wins this, their only hope is teleporting him out of susanoo
Chiyo is non factor at its finest, and tobirama has 0 firepower

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oro states that he injected Jugo's chakra in Sasuke to see if he could release the Curse Mark's power. But that didn't happen right then and there, so it's irrelevant. Everything else refers to the chakra merging and adapting with the Susanoo.

Oro was explaining why Juugo chakra was able to connect with Sasuke's, to which you were denying here:

Onoki has never connected his chakra to Susanoo. Jugo only passed chakra on to Susanoo, he never made a connection to it let alone to Sasuke.

The seal works by sealing Tenketsu by pinning the user. Unless you have more than baseless claims here, that is the only way it seals Sasuke.

The seal was able to connect with Sasori's nucleus. The puppet body is a mere that doesn't get effected either. I dont see its baseless to claim that Susanoo's chakra, connected to Sasuke, would be any different then Sasori's nucleus connected to puppet.

Good luck. Lol. Gonna need to be way more specific than that btw.

I mean your arguing against it right now. Puppets and Clones approaching Sasuke, giving omni directional options of landing a hit.

Because:

1. Zero evidence.
2. That is an ability Minato showed that is completely unrelated to how Hiraishin works. He was able to graft his formula into their seals because he can. When has Tobirama said that he can do so?

1. You can't say that its zero evidence when these two claims I brought is my evidence.
2. No idea what your talking first sentence. If its unrelated then in no way Hirashin would to planted in 8 Trigram. Already said linking to Minato's Hirashin is evidence and below rebuttal.

Which doesn't prove that Tobirama can link with Chiyo's seal. That isn't even a link, that's two sealing patterns/formulas put on the same paper.

Why do you insist of saying what it is and then say its not. Its not an cheese burger it just has all the ingredients and toppings. Being on paper is irrelevant

No evidence that Sasuke's Magatama and or blade moves faster than Kunai?

Oh wait. Lol.

-Matches FRS in speed.

Matching FRS =/= Moving body omni directionally to hit all of them. Plus the fact that its not only Kunai's but clones.

There is no on panel feat of her evading FRS. Even if there was, evading a single FRS=/=Evading a barrage of Magatama that move just as fast.

Or you can read manga that she did. Unless you want to imply Unit 5 just stood there when she got caught in FRS blast.

And what in the world are you talking about? By rain Enton on them I mean use multiple waves of this:

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Right so 12 Maga is going to hit all the Kunai's, Clones, and Puppets from onmi directions.

Which won't work unless the clones and/or puppets get above Sasuke before he can do something about it, but all puppets that jump at him get obliterated by Enton Magatama, and Tobirama's clones get swatted by the Enton Blade. Either they warp away or they die. Either way, this strategy isn't working. Even if Susanoo gets caught, Sasuke would drop it or downgrade to something smaller so he can slip out of the gates.

I honestly didnt say all puppets. The ones that can engaged are the CQC ones and the ones with chakra shields to block them.

@Bold, I wasnt clear. Its not used to pin Sasuke/Susanoo. Using its weight of the Pole to crush him.

Then I guess you have some kind of a point, though Enton spikes would still destroy her extra mechanical arm that Tobirama is using to try and warp Susanoo.

Thats fine because OP:

Chiyo can summon more mechanical arms if she needs them[1]

 

[KidGamer65]

Oro was explaining why Juugo chakra was able to connect with Sasuke's, to which you were denying here:

I suggest you read that again. He said it was adapting with Sasuke's chakra. I.E. SUSANOO. So once again, you have no point.

The seal was able to connect with Sasori's nucleus. The puppet body is a mere that doesn't get effected either. I dont see its baseless to claim that Susanoo's chakra, connected to Sasuke, would be any different then Sasori's nucleus connected to puppet.

Irrelevant, because his body is puppet but his heart his human with chakra. Same body. Susanoo and Sasuke are separate entities.

I mean your arguing against it right now. Puppets and Clones approaching Sasuke, giving omni directional options of landing a hit.

1. You can't say that its zero evidence when these two claims I brought is my evidence.

The funny part is, this is not evidence, because those are two completely different processes, and Tobirama can't do one of them here since he is not with a Hiraishin user, and he's not Minato so he can't do the rest.

-Tobirama linked with Minato's Hiraishin tags because they use the same jutsu. Stop using that as evidence he can do the same to Chiyo's markings.

-Minato can teleport to Kushina and Naruto's seals because he incorporated his sealing formula into their own seal. Stop using that as evidence that Tobirama can do the same to her markings when that's Minato's ability and Minato's feat and you have zero proof that Tobirama can change it.

2. No idea what your talking first sentence. If its unrelated then in no way Hirashin would to planted in 8 Trigram. Already said linking to Minato's Hirashin is evidence and below rebuttal.

Except it's not. Stop using completely unrelated processes as evidence that Tobirama can link to Chiyo's seal. The amount of sense you make right now is zero.

Why do you insist of saying what it is and then say its not. Its not an cheese burger it just has all the ingredients and toppings.

What in the world are you talking about?

Matching FRS =/= Moving body omni directionally to hit all of them. Plus the fact that its not only Kunai's but clones.

-Read below for clones.
-Regardless of what kind of movement it is, puppets and Kunai are not faster than any of Susanoo's movements. Whether it's jumping, running or striking.

Or you can read manga that she did. Unless you want to imply Unit 5 just stood there when she got caught in FRS blast.

Meh. Sure. Doesn't prove your point though.

Right so 12 Maga is going to hit all the Kunai's, Clones, and Puppets from onmi directions.

1. Where did only 12 Magatama come from?
2. The Magatama are for the Kunai and the puppets.
3. Tobirama's clones are either evaded or they get the blade.

I honestly didnt say all puppets. The ones that can engaged are the CQC ones and the ones with chakra shields to block them.

Pretty sure she only has 2 puppets with mechanical shields, not to mention a blade would knock them away regardless of their shield.

@Bold, I wasnt clear. Its not used to pin Sasuke/Susanoo. Using its weight of the Pole to crush him.

Zero proof that the weight of the pole is enough to crush Susanoo and kill Sasuke.

Thats fine because OP:

Then Sasuke rinses and repeats until he kills Chiyo, which won't take too long.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Next thread Ill make the stipulation to where its possible. No point in arguing if its plausible or not.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

They get butchered here.

Chiyo puppets are squashed via Susanoo or taken out via enton projectiles. Tobirama can't bypass Susanoo durability either. There only chance well i mean Tobirama's only chance is trying to outlast Sasuke by dodging him all day via ftg.

Sasuke wins 9/10.