Why did sasuke march into the kage summit, too cocky.

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Yet he still delivered a (supposed) Bee to Akatsuki like Obito asked him to :sdo:

Edit: I'll go line by line if you want, don't really feel like wasting my time explaining something so simple
that doesnt counter my post.

Sasuke beat Danzo due to plot
lol and thats the best you can come up with? he literally gave you fact and you cant form a proper counter. just concede pal
 

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that doesnt counter my post.


lol and thats the best you can come up with? he literally gave you fact and you cant form a proper counter. just concede pal
If you stop fanboying an actually comprehend, you'll see it actually does. At the end of the day, he was partly responsible for the Juubi's revival. He delivered the chakra to Akatski whether he changed his mind or not. And why? Because Obito told him to (manipulated him into doing it) and reviving the Juubi was within his goal


So according to you Sasuke can counter KA?
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If you stop fanboying an actually comprehend, you'll see it actually does. At the end of the day, he was partly responsible for the Juubi's revival. He delivered the chakra to Akatski whether he changed his mind or not. And why? Because Obito told him to (manipulated him into doing it) and reviving the Juubi was within his goal


So according to you Sasuke can counter KA?
:lmao:

That's what I get for arguing with a fapboy
not fanboying, just stating the truth. your entire post is irrelevant because sasuke never gave a rat ass about what obito planned to do with bee.so not quite sure why you keep mentioning reviving juubi. as long he captures him and recieves his bijju, thats all that matters.
keep saying obito manipulated him because you have nothing to fall back on. sasuke went to capture him to receiev something that was for his own benefit, if you cant understand the bold then theres no hope for you.

danzo fight has nothing to do with the thread you clown. saying "sasuke won due to plot" was totally off topic that didnt concern naruto x hunters post. you just mentioned it because you had no counter to what he said hence you backtracked and went off topic.

calling me a fanboy doesnt help your case, it only makes you look silly because you no other argument. keep wasting my time.

He also has the ability to get saved everytime when he's at the brink of death remember that
this coming from a naruto fan? dat irony
 

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not fanboying, just stating the truth. your entire post is irrelevant because sasuke never gave a rat ass about what obito planned to do with bee.so not quite sure why you keep mentioning reviving juubi. as long he captures him and recieves his bijju, thats all that matters.
keep saying obito manipulated him because you have nothing to fall back on. sasuke went to capture him to receiev something that was for his own benefit, if you cant understand the bold then theres no hope for you.

danzo fight has nothing to do with the thread you clown. saying "sasuke won due to plot" was totally off topic that didnt concern naruto x hunters post. you just mentioned it because you had no counter to what he said hence you backtracked and went off topic.

calling me a fanboy doesnt help your case, it only makes you look silly because you no other argument. keep wasting my time.


this coming from a naruto fan? dat irony
Not bout to sit here like a broken record trying to explain something to a fapboy that is so very simple. Do I need to post what manipulation is or do you not speak English?

Sasuke did Obitos bidding, whether he cared or not he still did it Why? Because Obito said he was going to give him something that would benefit him. Then Sasuke decided to change his mind, regardless, he still did what Obito wanted him to do, hence manipulation

2 a : to manage or utilize skillfully
b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage

Sasuke originally wanted the Bijuu but changed his mind but still did Obito's bidding hence manipulation. Had he not done asked Sasuke to do so, then the Juubi would not have been revived the way it was.


Nice speculative analysis, not only was he not directing that at me I merely just said that Sasuke won due to plot and everyone knows this. Why are you on his nuts?
 

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=ComplexCity;19339923]Not bout to sit here like a broken record trying to explain something to a fapboy that is so very simple. Do I need to post what manipulation is or do you not speak English?
fapboy fapboy fapboy, you are actually sounding like a broken record indeed. find something new to say.

Sasuke did Obitos bidding, whether he cared or not he still did it Why? Because Obito said he was going to give him something that would benefit him. Then Sasuke decided to change his mind, regardless, he still did what Obito wanted him to do, hence manipulation
sasuke was the one who demanded for something in return, he did what obito said because he needed something he can use to acieve his goal, in order words he had his own benefits in mind and not obito. like i said while on the way, he made it clear that they were the ones using the akatuski, he had everything planned out, that simple.

2 a : to manage or utilize skillfully
b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
this definiition doesnt fly because sasuke was using the situation to his advantage as well(to gain something in return). he undertook it for his own gain and no one else. if sasuke didnt have anything he wanted then he wont have undertaken the task.

he needed firepower that he would use in destroying konoha which was his goal. he realised he can get that firepower(bijju) by agreeing to capture bee.
Sasuke originally wanted the Bijuu but changed his mind but still did Obito's bidding hence manipulation.
doing obitos bidding is not manipulation especially when we know why sasuke chose to do it. it would have been manipulation if sasuke didnt want to do it but had to and had he not been shown to plan to use the akatsuki.

Had he not done asked Sasuke to do so, then the Juubi would not have been revived the way it was.
stop mentioning juubi being revived, sasuke didnt give a shit about that. juubi being revived is obitos gain, sasuke had his own

Nice speculative analysis, not only was he not directing that at me I merely just said that Sasuke won due to plot and everyone knows this. Why are you on his nuts?
bold. because it failed to counter what he said thats why.

I'm sorry was I lying? If I was please explain how.
as long as you know your boyfriend is not any different then its all good.
 

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as long as you know your boyfriend is not any different then its all good.
Boyfriend? What is this nonsense you speak of , sorry I don't have a boyfriend if that's what you like then kool but I don't go that way thanks though

If your talking about naruto then sure he got saved also just not as much as Sasuke. 100% facts I can post more scans of sasuke getting saved than naruto but i won't waste anymore time with a clown like you. GG
 
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Sasuke beat Danzo due to plot
You say that with no explanation. Sasuke outsmarted Danzo the entire battle, and he could have killed him from the start as soon as he grabbed him with Susano'o, which Danzo wasn't expecting, and had no time to activate Izanagi. But he wanted to question him, so he wasn't aiming for the kill.

Sasuke outclassed Danzo.

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If you stop fanboying an actually comprehend, you'll see it actually does. At the end of the day, he was partly responsible for the Juubi's revival. He delivered the chakra to Akatski whether he changed his mind or not. And why? Because Obito told him to (manipulated him into doing it) and reviving the Juubi was within his goal


So according to you Sasuke can counter KA?
:lmao:

That's what I get for arguing with a fapboy
Again, Sasuke did things on his own accord for his own reasons for his own goals, not Tobi's. He never intended to help him. He brough him Bee so he could extract the Hachibi from him, which Sasuke could use.

Sasuke stopped caring about the Bijuus chakra shortly after he delievered Bee. If he still wanted the Bijuus chakra then he would have confronted Tobi about it at some point.

You make it seem as if Sasuke knew of Tobi's goals and was working to help him achieve it, which wasn't the case at all. He wasn't manipulated, and he did nothing to purposefully help Tobi with his goals.

Again, he was planning to get the Bijuu for himself, not him, and discarded that plan upon deciding to use his own power to achieve his goals, hence not going after the Bijuu any futher.

It's not plot that Danzo couldn't use Kamui, that's like saying it's plot that characters have chakra reserves. Do you expect characters to be able to spam their powers without any drawbacks?

If so then Sasuke becoming exhausted from using MS is plot.

Not bout to sit here like a broken record trying to explain something to a fapboy that is so very simple. Do I need to post what manipulation is or do you not speak English?

Sasuke did Obitos bidding, whether he cared or not he still did it Why? Because Obito said he was going to give him something that would benefit him. Then Sasuke decided to change his mind, regardless, he still did what Obito wanted him to do, hence manipulation

2 a : to manage or utilize skillfully
b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage

Sasuke originally wanted the Bijuu but changed his mind but still did Obito's bidding hence manipulation. Had he not done asked Sasuke to do so, then the Juubi would not have been revived the way it was.


Nice speculative analysis, not only was he not directing that at me I merely just said that Sasuke won due to plot and everyone knows this. Why are you on his nuts?
Okay, Jiraiya manipulated Naruto into travelling with him to go after Tsunade, and learn Rasengan. Remember Naruto rejected at first, then Jiraiya claimed he would teach him a technique that's greater than Chidori. which made Naruto decide to go with him?

Super manipulation skills,lol.

Boy got lucky that the Kages didn't shitstomp his ass.. oh wait, nvm he was nearly killed until obito came XD
He also has the ability to get saved everytime when he's at the brink of death remember that
It's very common for Shinobi to work in groups with their teamates. Teams are formed for a reason - each village has a 4 person team, and the Akatsuki even go out in pairs.

And take a look at this comment.



Sasuke would have succeeded if not for White Zetsu.
 
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You say that with no explanation. Sasuke outsmarted Danzo the entire battle, and he could have killed him from the start as soon as he grabbed him with Susano'o, which Danzo wasn't expecting, and had no time to activate Izanagi. But he wanted to question him, so he wasn't aiming for the kill.

Sasuke outclassed Danzo.
Wow that dude is on a whole other level of trollin
lolololololololololol
 

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Wow that dude is on a whole other level of trollin
lolololololololololol
I guess Tobi was trolling aswell. Go back and read my comment, you replied before i finished editing my comment.


Boyfriend? What is this nonsense you speak of , sorry I don't have a boyfriend if that's what you like then kool but I don't go that way thanks though

If your talking about naruto then sure he got saved also just not as much as Sasuke. 100% facts I can post more scans of sasuke getting saved than naruto but i won't waste anymore time with a clown like you. GG
Naruto was saves more than anyone else in the story.
 
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Boyfriend? What is this nonsense you speak of , sorry I don't have a boyfriend if that's what you like then kool but I don't go that way thanks though

If your talking about naruto then sure he got saved also just not as much as Sasuke. 100% facts I can post more scans of sasuke getting saved than naruto but i won't waste anymore time with a clown like you. GG
lol, sure kiddo. no need to publicise yourself.

of course i was talking about naruto. and post the scans lemme see if you can back yourself up
 

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fapboy fapboy fapboy, you are actually sounding like a broken record indeed. find something new to say.
Trust me, had it not been for the 5 or 6 infractions I already have, I'd be using plentiful more descriptive words to describe you and most of SB. But ppl like to report you for every little thing and I kinda enjoy this site. Besides, if you'd stop fapping, I'd stop calling you a fapboy, it's really is as simple as that

sasuke was the one who demanded for something in return, he did what obito said because he needed something he can use to acieve his goal, in order words he had his own benefits in mind and not obito. like i said while on the way, he made it clear that they were the ones using the akatuski, he had everything planned out, that simple.

Ok, so let me use your shitty logic.
Obito was going to kill all the Uchiha including Sasuke. Itachi approached him and said he'd help him if he didn't kill Sasuke, was Itachi doing it for Obito's benefit or his own benefit? Madara came to Obito and said that he can make the world a better place via IT and Obito agreed to do so seeing as how he could create a "new better world with no strife" did he capture the jins, revive madara, help create the shinju tree, help madara become the 10 tails jin for his benefit or Madara's? Do you see where I am going with this dumb logic?


this definiition doesnt fly because sasuke was using the situation to his advantage as well(to gain something in return). he undertook it for his own gain and no one else. if sasuke didnt have anything he wanted then he wont have undertaken the task.

So now you're disregarding the English language because you feel it doesn't fit? Sorry, it don't work like that. What you've failed to realize is that in the end, Sasuke gained nothing from Obito while Obito gained something from Sasuke whether or not Sasuke changed his mind. Like you yourself stated, the only reason Sasuke did the job is because he was expecting something in return, which he did not get but Obito did. I suggest you learn how to read

he needed firepower that he would use in destroying konoha which was his goal. he realised he can get that firepower(bijju) by agreeing to capture bee.

Yet, like I stated above (twice) he didn't get a lick of anything. Common sense to those who have it will tell you Sasuke wasn't getting jack shit from Obito

doing obitos bidding is not manipulation especially when we know why sasuke chose to do it. it would have been manipulation if sasuke didnt want to do it but had to and had he not been shown to plan to use the akatsuki.

Wtf are my eyes reading? It doesn't matter or not Sasuke chose to do it, that's irrelevant. Not doing something and being forced to do it is called being forced to do it against your will. Obito wanted to use IT on the world knowing nothing of Madara's plans, he never knew he was being manipulated until after Madara became the 10 tails Jin.

stop mentioning juubi being revived, sasuke didnt give a shit about that. juubi being revived is obitos gain, sasuke had his own

The Juubi being revived is relevant to my argument because it was Obito's objective which got completed, because he manipulated Sasuke
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You say that with no explanation. Sasuke outsmarted Danzo the entire battle, and he could have killed him from the start as soon as he grabbed him with Susano'o, which Danzo wasn't expecting, and had no time to activate Izanagi. But he wanted to question him, so he wasn't aiming for the kill.

Sasuke outclassed Danzo.

Why should I write a 5 paragraph response with something I can summarize in a sentence? If Danzo used KA On Sasuke, it would have been over. Please don't waste your time trying to refute this because I'll just ignore it

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Again, Sasuke did things on his own accord for his own reasons for his own goals, not Tobi's. He never intended to help him. He brough him Bee so he could extract the Hachibi from him, which Sasuke could use.

Did Sasuke get a Jin? No. Did Sasuke help Akatsuki and Obito accomplish their goal? Yes. It doesn't matter if he didn't agree to help them, that's the point of manipulation

Sasuke stopped caring about the Bijuus chakra shortly after he delievered Bee. If he still wanted the Bijuus chakra then he would have confronted Tobi about it at some point.

This is irrelevant to the discussion. He helped him revive the ten tails which was Obito's main objective through manipulation

You make it seem as if Sasuke knew of Tobi's goals and was working to help him achieve it, which wasn't the case at all. He wasn't manipulated, and he did nothing to purposefully help Tobi with his goals.

Who says you have to know or purposely help someone to be manipulated?
Did Obito know Madara would betray him?
Did Sasuke know he was part of the reason for reviving the ten tails?
Did Madara know BZ was trying to revive Kaguya?


Again, he was planning to get the Bijuu for himself, not him, and discarded that plan upon deciding to use his own power to achieve his goals, hence not going after the Bijuu any futher.

And yet he still helped Obito accomplish his goal

It's not plot that Danzo couldn't use Kamui, that's like saying it's plot that characters have chakra reserves. Do you expect characters to be able to spam their powers without any drawbacks?
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Since when does Danzo have Kamui? KA is Kotoamatatsuki which doesn't have any determental drawbacks to the user in combat except being unable to use the eye any longer. Plot allowed Sasuke to live


If so then Sasuke becoming exhausted from using MS is plot.
Wrong, that's the drawback from his ability. Not using an ability =/= being exhausted from it, please stop grasping at straws


Okay, Jiraiya manipulated Naruto into travelling with him to go after Tsunade, and learn Rasengan. Remember Naruto rejected at first, then Jiraiya claimed he would teach him a technique that's greater than Chidori. which made Naruto decide to go with him?
Ok, did I disagree? What does Naruto have to do with this discussion?



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Trust me, had it not been for the 5 or 6 infractions I already have, I'd be using plentiful more descriptive words to describe you and most of SB. But ppl like to report you for every little thing and I kinda enjoy this site. Besides, if you'd stop fapping, I'd stop calling you a fapboy, it's really is as simple as that
whateva man, stick to the debate.

Ok, so let me use your shitty logic.
Obito was going to kill all the Uchiha including Sasuke. Itachi approached him and said he'd help him if he didn't kill Sasuke, was Itachi doing it for Obito's benefit or his own benefit?
itachi confronted and asked him to help kill the uchiha, he is the one who brought the idea towards obito. he did it for his benefit because he wanted to slay the uchiha but couldnt do it alone hence why he approached obito. fail comparison as itachi is the one who brought up the idea.

Madara came to Obito and said that he can make the world a better place via IT and Obito agreed to do so seeing as how he could create a "new better world with no strife" did he capture the jins, revive madara, help create the shinju tree, help madara become the 10 tails jin for his benefit or Madara's? Do you see where I am going with this dumb logic?
obviously he would benefit obito as well because he wanted a war less world were rin was part of it. he clearly stated that compasrison doesnt fly.

So now you're disregarding the English language because you feel it doesn't fit? Sorry, it don't work like that.
nope.

What you've failed to realize is that in the end, Sasuke gained nothing from Obito while Obito gained something from Sasuke whether or not Sasuke changed his mind.
sasuke didnt gain the bijuu because he no longer wanted it, he never asked obito for it because he felt he had the power on his own to destroy the village. its not as if obito didnt give him, sasuke changed his mind and didnt ask.(this is if my memory serves me tho, been long since i read that part of the manga)

Like you yourself stated, the only reason Sasuke did the job is because he was expecting something in return, which he did not get but Obito did. I suggest you learn how to read
he didnt get because to my knowledge he no longer wanted it, that simple. read the manga. not once did he approach obito about it.

Yet, like I stated above (twice) he didn't get a lick of anything. Common sense to those who have it will tell you Sasuke wasn't getting jack shit from Obito
because he changed his mind.


Wtf are my eyes reading? It doesn't matter or not Sasuke chose to do it, that's irrelevant. Not doing something and being forced to do it is called being forced to do it against your will. Obito wanted to use IT on the world knowing nothing of Madara's plans, he never knew he was being manipulated until after Madara became the 10 tails Jin.
it matters because sasuke did it out of what he would gain from it, what obito planned to use it for doesnt concern him in the slightest, what concerned him was what he wanted and what he wanted alone which brings us back to my first point which was that whateva sasuke did was for his own gain. he took actions based on his own self interest, if it wasnt beneficial to him, then he wont do shit.
thats obito, dont compare him with sasuke especially because
-sasuke has been shown to tell us that he is using the akatsuki for his benefits which backs up my point(something you have failed to counter)
-has been shown to attack obito and flat out tell him that they are not allies
-as soon as he got what he wanted from obito(Ems), he matched out of the cave and killed white zetsu, whom was obitos ally further proving point 1 and 2 correct<< which is that sasuke took actions that benefited him, there was zero manipulation.
in fact going by the above, if anyone was used it was obito.

The Juubi being revived is relevant to my argument because it was Obito's objective which got completed, because he manipulated Sasuke
and sasuke never cared about what his objective was, thats the point. you are acting like he was against obitos objecting when manga shows he never gave a shit about what obito plans to use bee for. all he cared abotu was his own gain. there was no manipulation whatsoever.
 
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