Dictionary for Kaguya and Hagoromo skillwise and powerwise

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Kaguya and Hagoromo skill wise and power wise which is forgotten or considered as myth/lie among most of Narutobase memebers. I will show you what I am talking about right away:

Prime Kaguya - first person to posses all chakra due to consuming forbidden fruit. 100% amount of chakra

Post Prime Kaguya ~ Powered IT Final arc Kaguya ~ Prime JJ Hagoromo - Kaguya who gave birth to Hagoromo and Hamura

Final arc Initial Kaguya - Kaguya revived in final arc of Narutoverse

Post Jin Hagoromo genie- Hagoromo in ghost shape floating around in real world

Pre Jin Hagoromo ~ Hamura - fully grown up Hagoromo and Hamura who stopped Prime Juubi

Prime Juubi - Post Prime Kaguya combined with Shinjuu

Semi perfect Juubi - Juubi with all bijuu chakra minus Yin Kurama

Imperfect Juubi - Juubi with all bijuu chakra ALMOST full Kurama and ALMOST full Gyuuki

THE Results:

1. Prime Kaguya is the most powerfull person ever. Not even New Boruto the movie villain comes close
2. Post Prime Kaguya - Prime Kaguya minus Hagoromo, Hamura. On par or a bit weaker then New Boruto the movie villain
3. Powered IT final arc Kaguya is on par with JJ Hagoromo.
4. Final arc initial Kaguya was weaker then JJ Hagoromo by quite wide margin.
5. Post Jin Hagoromo genie - the one who powered up Naruto and Sasuke is below Initial Kaguya. That why Kakashi's power up was required for Naruto and Sasuke to succedd

That it . Discuss

 

[Venomous Cobra]

The new villain is irrelevant honestly , dunno why people hype him so much, from what he showcased so far in the trailer I believe even toneri or juubito would win against him.

 

[KCMNaruto]

The new villain is irrelevant honestly , dunno why people hype him so much, from what he showcased so far in the trailer I believe even toneri or juubito would win against him.

Hmm possible I would agree . but let's wait for the movie first . So you agree with the way I shown it

 

[Seventh Sama]

The new villain is irrelevant honestly , dunno why people hype him so much, from what he showcased so far in the trailer I believe even toneri or juubito would win against him.

Momoshiki showed nothing in the trailer tho...

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Momoshiki showed nothing in the trailer tho...

I'm aware of that but I'm speaking about his friend who got man-handled by one arm sasuke....

 

[Seventh Sama]

I'm aware of that but I'm speaking about his friend who got man-handled by one arm sasuke....

Man handled? We don't even know how it went down. The trailer showed them on equal terms in speed and melee combat actually.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This was my top 10 list from other thread.

1. Kaguya
2. Momoshiki
3. Hagoromo
4. Hamura
5. Sasuke
6. Naruto
7. Kinshiki
8. Madara
9. Hashirama
10.Obito

No JJ Hagoromo, Madara and Obito here, only Double Rinnegan Madara and DMS Obito. Toneri is exclude because Tenseigan was not his eyes.

OT, I agree with you KCM Naruto

 

[3MESSIAH]

you are right

kaguya was at her prime when she ate the fruit so kaguya that naruto and sasuke fought was significantly weaker as she didnt posses all of the chakra anymore

she might have been just as powerful as prime hagoromo when sasuke and naruto fought her and it would also make sense because hagoromo=indra+ashura,meaning naruto+sasuke

 

[BlacLord™]

Any form of Kaguya below Momoshiki? Lmao.

There's nobody on their planet - alive or dead, who can be on par with her. I doubt that Momoshiki's dōjutsu are anything but Kekkei Genkai... Unlike Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan and Byakugan, which are both Kekkei Mōra along with her Tomogoroshi no Haikotsu, YT, Amenominaka, Bōchō Gudoudama etc.

Lone Kaguya only ever came in three forms; Pre-Shinju Fruit, Prime and Incomplete Revival. Even in the latter, she was still powerful enough to create a new dimension and dance with RSM Naruto and RG Sasuke.

 

[KCMNaruto]

This was my top 10 list from other thread.

1. Kaguya
2. Momoshiki
3. Hagoromo
4. Hamura
5. Sasuke
6. Naruto
7. Kinshiki
8. Madara
9. Hashirama
10.Obito

No JJ Hagoromo, Madara and Obito here, only Double Rinnegan Madara and DMS Obito. Toneri is exclude because Tenseigan was not his eyes.

OT, I agree with you KCM Naruto

great list . It is nice to see you are still doing well

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Man handled? We don't even know how it went down. The trailer showed them on equal terms in speed and melee combat actually.

3 tomoe sasuke, with only one arm and no use of ninjustu. Even shin was able to somewhat harm sasuke . Not to mention gokage being ready to fight him, implying he's in their level :lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

great list . It is nice to see you are still doing well

Thanks.

 

[KCMNaruto]

you are right

kaguya was at her prime when she ate the fruit so kaguya that naruto and sasuke fought was significantly weaker as she didnt posses all of the chakra anymore

she might have been just as powerful as prime hagoromo when sasuke and naruto fought her and it would also make sense because hagoromo=indra+ashura,meaning naruto+sasuke

Thank you so much . I also believe that except bold.

I mean Initial revived Kaguya could be below JJ Hagoromo and keep in mind Naruto and Sasuke got powered up by Post JJ Hagoromo so he would be significantly weaker then his prime JJ version.

I agree with the rest

 

[3MESSIAH]

Thank you so much . I also believe that except bold.

I mean Initial revived Kaguya could be below JJ Hagoromo and keep in mind Naruto and Sasuke got powered up by Post JJ Hagoromo so he would be significantly weaker then his prime JJ version.

I agree with the rest

i think hagoromo just gave them the YIN and YANG chakra that sasuke and naruto needed in order to reach their full potential as indra and ashura`s transmigrants

i look at it this way....sasuke and naruto,being indra and ashura`s descendants already had powerful YIN and YANG chakra and the sage only kind of poured the rest they needed in order to awaken their full power capacity...so from this perspective it might not matter if hagoromo was in his prime or spiritual mode..naruto and sasuke got all they needed

i see sasuke and naruto combined being roughly as powerful as hagoromo(as they are both his halves)...so because it took the combined strength of naruto and sasuke+kakashi and sakura to beat kaguya i am presuming kaguya is just as powerful as JJ hagoromo or at least at his level....that being said even though i see them on an equal level of power i think hagoromo would beat her because of his better combat and jutsu understanding

 

[Seventh Sama]

3 tomoe sasuke, with only one arm and no use of ninjustu. Even shin was able to somewhat harm sasuke . Not to mention gokage being ready to fight him, implying he's in their level :lol

three tomoe is only as good as its user. We've already seen how fast sasuke is and combined that with the prediction ability of three tomoe and he's something most people can't handle, You'd have an advantage over me if sasuke wasn't using sharingan at all . Sasuke has hashi dna & rikudou senjutsu so it's no surprise if he can keep up with kinshiki in the strength department. Doesn't sasuke channel chidori into his sword? So wouldn't that be ninjutsu? Shin fought a weakened sasuke and iirc the kage had sasuke & naruto with them.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I see.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

three tomoe is only as good as its user.

Everyone knows this but, an opponent at kaguya;s level should at least push him to use rinnegan or even MS for god's sake

We've already seen how fast sasuke is and combined that with the prediction ability of three tomoe and he's something most people can't handle

Not really, 3 tomoe allows you to see through combos but it dones't boost your speed, most decent ninja can keep up with his taijustu/kenjustsu but not doujustu.
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You'd have an advantage over me if sasuke wasn't using sharingan at all .

He was using the most basic level of sharingan.......

Sasuke has hashi dna & rikudou senjutsu so it's no surprise if he can keep up with kinshiki in the strength department.

ehmm what? Hashirama's senju DNA was only for healing purposes.

Doesn't sasuke channel chidori into his sword? So wouldn't that be ninjutsu? Shin fought a weakened sasuke and iirc the

He wasn't using that when was clashing with him

kage had sasuke & naruto with them.

They still stood against him meaning they're going to fight him along side naruto and sasuke, man even bourto is preparing something like rasengan, which means he'll probably hit the new villain with i.


What a joke. To actually compare such low level ninja to kaguya and madara

 

[Seventh Sama]

Everyone knows this but, an opponent at kaguya;s level should at least push him to use rinnegan or even MS for god's sake

That's momoshiki. Kinshiki isn't this threat sasuke was talking about but the threats subordinate.

Not really, 3 tomoe allows you to see through combos but it dones't boost your speed, most decent ninja can keep up with his taijustu/kenjustsu but not doujustu.

, and what do you mean by "most decent" ninja? Like what kakashi? Kakashi ain't gonna fight sasuke in a taijutsu or kenjutsu battle without getting blitz. :|

He was using the most basic level of sharingan

Used by a demigood level character, your point?

ehmm what? Hashirama's senju DNA was only for healing purposes.

So kabuto just pumped nothing into his chest?

He wasn't using that when was clashing with him

My bad. Sasuke used a lightning shunshin or something. Still it's impressive that kinshiki reacted to it

They still stood against him meaning they're going to fight him along side naruto and sasuke, man even bourto is preparing something like rasengan, which means he'll probably hit the new villain with i.

They most likely are going to recieve major help from naruto & sasuke or they're gonna be for support. Boruto was in sasukes susanoo meaning sasuke is gonna help him do the damage if it does happen.

What a joke. To actually compare such low level ninja to kaguya and madara

I'm not trying to say kinshiki is stronger or equal to sasuke in full strength wise. It's just that you act like beating these villains will be a walk in the park and you make assumptions about the fight. We don't know if sasuke vs kinshiki was just a simple clash or goes to be a full on battle. Hell, kinshiki didn't even activate byakugan or use rinnegan. So it's 50-50.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

3 tomoe sasuke, with only one arm and no use of ninjustu. Even shin was able to somewhat harm sasuke . Not to mention gokage being ready to fight him, implying he's in their level :lol

What nonesense are you spouting???? Sasuke is also using tomoe rinnegan as well and yes he can still perform ninjutsu with one hand. Sasuke only posses rikudo chakra; it might not same apply to these villains.

You just lost your credibility When you said Shin can bring harm to Sasuke... You know full well this Sasuke was nerfed hard, Sasuke should easily stomped Shin with Susanoo and can do so many more even he lost some power due to shifting different dimension is still inexcusable, unless you're telling me Sasuke grown rusty just like Naruto???

 

[Venomous Cobra]

What nonesense are you spouting???? Sasuke is also using tomoe rinnegan as well and yes he can still perform ninjutsu with one hand. Sasuke only posses rikudo chakra; it might not same apply to these villains.

Hmm you weren't reading the manga carefully, were you? Sasuke was covering his rinnegan eye with his hair in order to not waste chakra.....:|

You just lost your credibility When you said Shin can bring harm to Sasuke... You know full well this Sasuke was nerfed hard

Him being nerfed diesn't magically take out the fact that he was in fact.......harmed. Sasuke could have used his ninjustu/a limb from souano/other paths or even bansho tenin since he had enough chakra for two ameno switches.
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Sasuke should easily stomped Shin with Susanoo and can do so many more even he lost some power due to shifting different dimension is still inexcusable

It's excusable,as he was able to use 2 ameno switches plus one fire ball tech. Meaning he had the chakra to use one more path or a rinnegan tech like basho tenin for example/

, unless you're telling me Sasuke grown rusty just like Naruto???

He hadn't.