Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
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lol to OP. the strongest jutsu in NV is rinnegan. the best it can do, is to shoot meteor from the skys. guys like songoku, bejita, freeza, cell can blow a planet by flicking there fingers. just bring Broly and it will destroy the NV by blinking his eyes.
you cannot compare dragon ball to naruto. 2 differents show and 2 different kind of power.
in the end dragon ball will always be the strongest warriors of the universe, not the strongest shinobi of the world.
you cannot compare dragon ball to naruto. 2 differents show and 2 different kind of power.
in the end dragon ball will always be the strongest warriors of the universe, not the strongest shinobi of the world.
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no... you were right ...one word GENKIDAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no you were right... one word ... GENKIDAMA!!!!!!!
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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
Irrelevent.
Its not DB but manga statement from BZ
1) BZ statement.
2) Double Kamui performed by Obito and Kakashi.
3). Look how fast Obito entering Kamui before TSB arrived.
TSB is massive hypersonic at best while Kamui is LS(double MS)
Obito when having the power of double MS can enter and travel by using Kamui in light speed. Eat that punk.
Above is when Might Guy save Kakashi from TSB. OK let say Guy never tanked it but kick that TSB. His leg is still there and not get erase by TSB.
Do you not see speed lines behind those TSB orbs. Thats what I mean by "I still can see TSB travel movement". If TSB is FTL or teleport, it will hit Obito and Kakashi in next panel as Obito's Kamui only LS and no way Obito could react to it. But in manga he still manged to escape and Guy managed to protect Kakashi.
This is true light speed movement. Do you think TSB can do that? Look how fast if some attack travel at that speed. Nothing Obito and Kakashi and Guy can do to avoid it.
LOL, dimension also have space. Dimension the size of Solar system as example have space that as big as solar system. Dimension the size of Galaxy as example have space that as big as galaxy. And galaxy or solar system size dimensions still have vast spaces. No need to be a universe.
You think Obito open the portal at the edge of universe? What he meant by vast was toward Kaguya space/time dimension that connecting all dimensions. And it can be said that every dimensions is far/separated from each others and not parallel dimensions like Limbo.
Do you know what space mean?
space
spās/Submit
noun
1.
a continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied.
"a table took up much of the space"
synonyms: room, capacity, area.
Space here is not referred to outer space of universe but the area or the size of dimensional area.
Goku teleportation is more advanced than Minato own. Its because he doesnt need Kunai or have range limit like Sasuke. Only need a Ki signal and Kai's teleportation is about thinking.
Only advanced can be found on Sasuke's S/T tech was he can teleport something direct to him or change the position of target object.
Teleportation is the same dude. The problem is attack speed after teleportation. Minato's attack speed is to slow compared to his travel speed, thats why Madara able to counter it. But Goku attack speed is much faster than Minato or Tobirama.
No need to counter this as you cant comprehend anything. Sasuke's teleportation not mean much when top tiers DBZ have better reaction speed compared to NV characters.
Irrelevent.
Its not DB but manga statement from BZ
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1) BZ statement.
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2) Double Kamui performed by Obito and Kakashi.
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3). Look how fast Obito entering Kamui before TSB arrived.
TSB is massive hypersonic at best while Kamui is LS(double MS)
Obito when having the power of double MS can enter and travel by using Kamui in light speed. Eat that punk.
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Above is when Might Guy save Kakashi from TSB. OK let say Guy never tanked it but kick that TSB. His leg is still there and not get erase by TSB.
LOL, here I'm talking about TSB travel movement and not teleportation. Do you think TSB teleport?
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Do you not see speed lines behind those TSB orbs. Thats what I mean by "I still can see TSB travel movement". If TSB is FTL or teleport, it will hit Obito and Kakashi in next panel as Obito's Kamui only LS and no way Obito could react to it. But in manga he still manged to escape and Guy managed to protect Kakashi.
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This is true light speed movement. Do you think TSB can do that? Look how fast if some attack travel at that speed. Nothing Obito and Kakashi and Guy can do to avoid it.
LOL, dimension also have space. Dimension the size of Solar system as example have space that as big as solar system. Dimension the size of Galaxy as example have space that as big as galaxy. And galaxy or solar system size dimensions still have vast spaces. No need to be a universe.
You think Obito open the portal at the edge of universe? What he meant by vast was toward Kaguya space/time dimension that connecting all dimensions. And it can be said that every dimensions is far/separated from each others and not parallel dimensions like Limbo.
Do you know what space mean?
space
spās/Submit
noun
1.
a continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied.
"a table took up much of the space"
synonyms: room, capacity, area.
Space here is not referred to outer space of universe but the area or the size of dimensional area.
Goku teleportation is more advanced than Minato own. Its because he doesnt need Kunai or have range limit like Sasuke. Only need a Ki signal and Kai's teleportation is about thinking.
Only advanced can be found on Sasuke's S/T tech was he can teleport something direct to him or change the position of target object.
Teleportation is the same dude. The problem is attack speed after teleportation. Minato's attack speed is to slow compared to his travel speed, thats why Madara able to counter it. But Goku attack speed is much faster than Minato or Tobirama.
No need to counter this as you cant comprehend anything. Sasuke's teleportation not mean much when top tiers DBZ have better reaction speed compared to NV characters.
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1-DB had plenty of gag stuff that was inconsistent to what followed
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Here's the Indicator for Nameks gravity...Normal Human Bulma is just fine.
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Goku's landing spot upon arrival on Namek.
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The Dragon is the distance from frieza's ship, where goku was healing, and the general area where the fight against frieza took place.
6-But, in Naruto no one has actually attempted to go for the planets core (Planets don't fight back)
7-For all we know the planets/stars Beerus destroys are smaller than their real-life counterparts. Even if they had Galaxy busting lv energy...they have no moves that would expel said energy in a way that they could actually wipe a galaxy in one blast.
8-Spoiler 4:56-5:59
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This debunks either planet lv durability or breathing in space...so nuking planet option is a tie for most DBZ characters.
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Why need Galaxy busting or star busting to kill all NV characters bar Kaguya when Beerus multiple times busting random planets in manga and anime.
We not pit DBZ against Seint Seiya or Bastard or Asura Wrath here.
None of these change what I said. Goku wearing weighted clothes doesn't change the fact that no one could see him but Tein and Piccolo. I never said anything about Nameki Gravity so Idk why you mentioned it. Goku is said to travel across Nameki so Frieza ship wasn't right there, they have been moving around as they fought. Burt (blue guy in the Ginyu force) stated he moves faster than light and Goku was faster than him before getting a zenkai boost and before going SS1. This isn't even close to the power of current Goku.
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Majinn buu destroyed Earth and many planets and galaxies.So did Broly.Goku is above both
And how come we still see earth...
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The Earth was revived via a wish from the dragonballs from Namek.Because of the gravity of that wish,Omega Shenron was born where Goku uses Universe Spirit Bomb to defeat him but dies in the process only to be revived again
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Do you see earth got destroyed many times in marvel or DC? I think Marvel earth never get destroyed.
Same as DB, earth was where the story take place. But DB earth got destroyed two times. First by Kid Buu and second by Frieza in movie.
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I don't really care about the NV...because it depends on the situation.
Just pointing out things people say about DBZ that aren't true:scorps:
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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
Whatever you say.
The time given was clear 30 minutes is how long the fusion last. If you read the text in that scan Piccolo mentions that they only have less than a minute. Now approximately 29 is how long he took to do that stunt. Gotenks stated he took a nap so lets factor that in since there is no time given for how long he took nap we can't figure out how long it took him to perform that stunt. Now let's say he took a good 15 minute nap that is still another 14 minutes it took him to do that. Speed of light? Not even close.
Whatever you say.
He does not even mention Kamui. And we Kamui is instant teleportation not light speed movement.
Yeah double instant teleportation makes ya do that. TSB are immeasurable while Double Kamui is Instantx2. Sensing a little hostility from you
All we see is an explosion we don't know if Guy used an attack to deflect it or simply moved Kakashi out of the way. You're making a baseless assumption especially when it was so important for Guy not to touch it was mentioned repeatedly. So you're saying one moment Guy had immunity then the next moment he does not.
You said we wouldn't be able to see FTL movement it would be a blur or something like that. So I mentioned how instant teleportation is visible. No need to ask retarded questions if you just read carefully you would understand.
What are you talking about couldn't react to FTL or instant movement. Madara did as an Edo Tensei reacted to light speed movement. You're making an assumptions based off of a theory with art detail. The reason why the TSB are showed moving is because they can move jackass.
Not even close
The time given was clear 30 minutes is how long the fusion last. If you read the text in that scan Piccolo mentions that they only have less than a minute. Now approximately 29 is how long he took to do that stunt. Gotenks stated he took a nap so lets factor that in since there is no time given for how long he took nap we can't figure out how long it took him to perform that stunt. Now let's say he took a good 15 minute nap that is still another 14 minutes it took him to do that. Speed of light? Not even close.The Naruto story takes place in a Time-space of a universe in some galaxy in some solar system.
No Obito can open a portal from Kamui into his universe. Okay so 5 universes/realities is vast compared to one universe/reality.
Umm did you not read my post? No one mentioned outer space but you, I said continuous area, boundless three dimensional etc.
Their teleportation is more suited for combat. Sasuke's is still better than Goku no matter how you put. Teleport his sword into people.
Or teleport objects like swords into people killing them instantly.
Ughh liar. Goku's attack speed is no where near faster than Minato's lol. When has Goku ever performed multiple attacks in the blink of an eye with his teleportation. Minato took out 50 shinobi in the time it takes to blink. Considering his weapon of choice which is small Kunai this is impressive his striking speed is just fast. Teleportation does not account for his striking speed so he striked 50 shinobi with a small dagger in the time it takes to blink. Goku has nothing on that.
They have shit reaction speed. Goku still had time to finish a kamehameha when teleported in front of Cell. Naruto characters have better reaction speed it has been proven.
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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
Before BZ statement, Obito was using his Kamui and Zetsu using his myfly. And Kamui is not instant dude. Kamui operate by Obito transferring his body into Kamui realm and open the gate on the other site. It takes time unlike FTG.
Its LS as Zetsu said.
Looks you tried to debunked me but I bring in here manga fact as proof. Its show me that you never read this manga properly but just wanking.
Nothing to say here as you lack logic
What double IT you're talking here dude? Its just double MS enhances the speed of Kamui warp dude. You want to debate with me . But the way you post in here make me speechless at your stupidity. You lack of comprehension of this manga is real.
TSB is immasureable? Where you get this fact? Out of you anus? All readers knew what already shown inside manga, TSB speed is massively hypersonic at best. Never beyond that.
The scan I post here for you make it very clear. You said Im all assumption but actually its you. Since you're here and in another forums(CV, VS battle etc) all thing you stated only an assumption. No one agree with you. You're delusional.
Look here another manga fact denied by you. Its clear as the day inside the smoke, guy's shadow was stand infront of Kakashi and protect him from TSB. Where it shows Guy lost his immunity? Kakashi used Kamui on Madara's TSB shield and Minato teleport all TSB was because they knew Guy cant survived an attack from multiple TSB(the limit is one) and Guy cant broke TSB shield easily.
Thats how you analyse manga situation dude.
Kamui warp is not instant dude, only FTG is instant. When FTG is executed, The user disappeared completely but its different for Kamui warp. I will post the scan later.
That is FTG(instantaneous movement). In one panel Minato was infront of Raikage's fist and in other panel he is on tree branch. No indication on traveling movement like TSB.
That is Kamui warp. Look how slow someone is warp into Kamui dimension. FTG will cut that time into 0 second. When Obito completely warp inside Kamui, he need to warp outside Kamui and between that it takes little times compared to FTG.
Let say Obito and Minato race from kumo to Konoha. Minato had his Kunai set in Konoha. In the end Minato arrived first.
That was not LS movement from Tsunade. Its just massively hypersonic attack.
And yeah that how I assess the situation, You need to learn to look at perspective and logic.
You know when light moves/travel in short distances, it look instant. You cant denied it. Try switch on the light or spot light and look how instant it goes. And logically if that TSB moves at the speed of light or faster, it can reached Obito and Kakashi instantly. Thats mean no room for them to avoid the impact. But its not the case in manga. And light can circle the earth 7 times. Do the math using your brain tard.
I stop here.
Ignore this point and go learn the above point. Solve the equation.
Thats contradict your believe on Kaguya's dimension is the size of universe(single dimension). If there are no outer space it couldnt be a Universe as Universe constituted a large portion of outer space.
Universe is not one flat land with infinite space but one expending space full of Planets, Stars and Galaxies etc.
And dimension exist in it own plain of existance. It can be parallel or separated. In NV cases, its separated between Time and space continuum that connecting every dimensions. Its not void.
But I asked you to give me author statement or DB/manga fact. Or else anything you said is invalid and I will stop responding on this matters.
You're member of NB but not following every discussion in here.
No, Sasuke unable to teleport his sword into someone body...
Amenotejikara mechanism:-
1) Teleport to target(teleport to Kaguya)
2) swap position with target(Swap his location with Sakura's jacket location in desert dimension)
3) Teleporting target near Sasuke(Teleporting Madara in between Sasuke and Naruto)
See above on what you have wrote. You seem not knowing what you're talking about and not having any idea on Naruto characters abilities. How you had bravery or nerve to argue with me when your knowledges is puny?
Above post of yours is caused by blind and hate.
Why he need do that as he never faced any squadron of armies. All time after he learn Shunken Ido, he fought with single opponent only. Nothing can hold Goku from replicating Minato's feats that inefficient where he need to throws a Kunai many times. Goku only need to sense a Ki/chakra.
I repeat back, your post lack imagination and uneducated.
Naruto characters also had poor reaction speed. Example
-Sasuke failed to avoid Kaguya's grab
-RSM Naruto unable to avoid properly Sasuke's attack from behind.
-Ashura Avatar Naruto unable to react to Bijuu PS teleportation and attack
-Kaguya unable to avoid Sakura's punch from above.
All that thing above can be avoid or counter by most DBZ characters as they got great sensing ability and reaction speed.
its just DBZ characters is to fast for their standard.
Before BZ statement, Obito was using his Kamui and Zetsu using his myfly. And Kamui is not instant dude. Kamui operate by Obito transferring his body into Kamui realm and open the gate on the other site. It takes time unlike FTG.
Its LS as Zetsu said.
Looks you tried to debunked me but I bring in here manga fact as proof. Its show me that you never read this manga properly but just wanking.
Nothing to say here as you lack logic
Yeah double instant teleportation makes ya do that. TSB are immeasurable while Double Kamui is Instantx2. Sensing a little hostility from you
What double IT you're talking here dude? Its just double MS enhances the speed of Kamui warp dude. You want to debate with me . But the way you post in here make me speechless at your stupidity. You lack of comprehension of this manga is real.
TSB is immasureable? Where you get this fact? Out of you anus? All readers knew what already shown inside manga, TSB speed is massively hypersonic at best. Never beyond that.
The scan I post here for you make it very clear. You said Im all assumption but actually its you. Since you're here and in another forums(CV, VS battle etc) all thing you stated only an assumption. No one agree with you. You're delusional.
Look here another manga fact denied by you. Its clear as the day inside the smoke, guy's shadow was stand infront of Kakashi and protect him from TSB. Where it shows Guy lost his immunity? Kakashi used Kamui on Madara's TSB shield and Minato teleport all TSB was because they knew Guy cant survived an attack from multiple TSB(the limit is one) and Guy cant broke TSB shield easily.
Thats how you analyse manga situation dude.
Kamui warp is not instant dude, only FTG is instant. When FTG is executed, The user disappeared completely but its different for Kamui warp. I will post the scan later.
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Let say Obito and Minato race from kumo to Konoha. Minato had his Kunai set in Konoha. In the end Minato arrived first.
That was not LS movement from Tsunade. Its just massively hypersonic attack.
And yeah that how I assess the situation, You need to learn to look at perspective and logic.
You know when light moves/travel in short distances, it look instant. You cant denied it. Try switch on the light or spot light and look how instant it goes. And logically if that TSB moves at the speed of light or faster, it can reached Obito and Kakashi instantly. Thats mean no room for them to avoid the impact. But its not the case in manga. And light can circle the earth 7 times. Do the math using your brain tard.
I stop here.
Not even close
Ignore this point and go learn the above point. Solve the equation.
Thats contradict your believe on Kaguya's dimension is the size of universe(single dimension). If there are no outer space it couldnt be a Universe as Universe constituted a large portion of outer space.
Universe is not one flat land with infinite space but one expending space full of Planets, Stars and Galaxies etc.
And dimension exist in it own plain of existance. It can be parallel or separated. In NV cases, its separated between Time and space continuum that connecting every dimensions. Its not void.
But I asked you to give me author statement or DB/manga fact. Or else anything you said is invalid and I will stop responding on this matters.
You're member of NB but not following every discussion in here.
No, Sasuke unable to teleport his sword into someone body...
Amenotejikara mechanism:-
1) Teleport to target(teleport to Kaguya)
2) swap position with target(Swap his location with Sakura's jacket location in desert dimension)
3) Teleporting target near Sasuke(Teleporting Madara in between Sasuke and Naruto)
See above on what you have wrote. You seem not knowing what you're talking about and not having any idea on Naruto characters abilities. How you had bravery or nerve to argue with me when your knowledges is puny?
Above post of yours is caused by blind and hate.
Why he need do that as he never faced any squadron of armies. All time after he learn Shunken Ido, he fought with single opponent only. Nothing can hold Goku from replicating Minato's feats that inefficient where he need to throws a Kunai many times. Goku only need to sense a Ki/chakra.
I repeat back, your post lack imagination and uneducated.
Naruto characters also had poor reaction speed. Example
-Sasuke failed to avoid Kaguya's grab
-RSM Naruto unable to avoid properly Sasuke's attack from behind.
-Ashura Avatar Naruto unable to react to Bijuu PS teleportation and attack
-Kaguya unable to avoid Sakura's punch from above.
All that thing above can be avoid or counter by most DBZ characters as they got great sensing ability and reaction speed.
its just DBZ characters is to fast for their standard.
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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
It is repeatedly stated that Kamui is instant. All Space-Time ninjutsu are instant that is why they are called space-time ninjutsu the manipulation of the space-time continuum. Shino even states that what Obito did with Kamui was not high speed movement (light is high speed movement)
The attack was not light speed but here appearing there was. Madara reacted to light speed followed by an attack. Tsunade was travelling at the speed of light the fact that he can react to her is impressive enough when he not even in the manga for 10 chapters yet.
It was suggested that they are alternate dimensions in the manga. Not parallel but alternate.
Minato could be using FTG at times then suddenly use Body Flicker. You're not even considering Obito's base speed.
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Did you ever stop think about it? He could have been referring to Body Flicker since light and body flicker are high speed movement.
Making a shit load of assumptions is your career apparently.
I lack logic?
Double MS Kamui increases the speed of instant teleportation making that logically impossible but since this is a manga about demon wizard ninjas nothing is far fetched. Double MS increases Kamui to Immeasurable speed unless you can tell me what is Instant x 2.
The only reason they are Massively Hypersonic in your eyes is because you are holding on to this false notion that Kamui is light speed despite it being stated to be instant on multiple occasions and a space-time ninjutsu. TSB speed is immeasurable being faster than teleportation/warping.
The only delusional one here is you. Using single instances to support your argument when those instances are highly questionable especially the Guy and TSB one.
No what is clear is that Guy saved Kakashi that is a mangafact. Assuming anything else without any evidence to back it up is just stupid. And in your case the assumption made by you is debunked by the manga Guy can't touch the black orbs he has no immunity it was never stated.
Incorrect that's how you make theories.
Stated multiple times to be instant. Every space-time technique is instant.
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The attack was not light speed but here appearing there was. Madara reacted to light speed followed by an attack. Tsunade was travelling at the speed of light the fact that he can react to her is impressive enough when he not even in the manga for 10 chapters yet.
Except this is fiction so your science theory does not apply well. Like I said we see visual teleportation despite it being instant. We can see chakra so does that mean we as readers have Dojutsu. Just because we can see the TSB does not mean anything.
Seems like you're avoiding that part in my post because I was right. There is no equation to solve, your science and math don't blend well with this manga.
I never stated that her dimensions were the size of universes because the size of a universe is unknown. The size of Kaguya's dimensions are unknown too. I called them universes because they are separate from the original time-space of Naruto. And Kaguya's dimensions do have an outer space that's where the other planetary body went.
And dimension exist in it own plain of existance. It can be parallel or separated. In NV cases, its separated between Time and space continuum that connecting every dimensions. Its not void.
Sasuke can teleport his sword into someone
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That is funny because I can say the same about you prove it as fact.
So Minato is the quicker teleporter end of story.
Ad Hominem
You do know that all that is after they got faster than two people who moved at illogical speeds. Especially Madara who moved faster than instant.
Dragonball characters still can't move at illogical speeds. When characters move at speeds that don't follow logic that is when you know that their speed is broken. Naruto characters are just too fast for these DBZ characters. I will not Appeal to Tradition.
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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto
This how you debate by making excuses. So because you cant counter my arguments you resorting to called this as fiction and wont followed science logic.
But you need to remember not all attack like TSB or any attack in Naruto came with speed info/calculation. Thats mean you cant said TSB is faster than DBZ character as there was no definitive answer. Thus Im also have a right to say DBZ is fiction and not followed real world physic.
Im asking you to give me info that said all Space/Time travel is instant. If you cant or avoid to cooperate. That mean you concede.
Type of Space/Time travel
1, Teleportation(FTG)
2. Warping(Kamui)
3. Worm hole
4. Black hole
etc
All those Time/spave travel had different speed
Go check Superpower wiki, nothing I found said Space/Time travel/manipulation had same speed that is instant.
About BZ points.
If you read Naruto manga in which you did not. Before that scan I post, Obito stand on the tree branch and he told Zetsu to go to Itachi corpse location. He used Kamui while Zetsu used myfly. And Obito arrived first before Zetsu.
But what make it funny, you tried to speculate by saying Obito used body fliker without put an effort to know the truth by searching the remaining page. Thats mean I arguing with one person that knew nothing about Naruto story here.
About Sasuke sword
This matter has been discuss by me and other members here numbers of times. From that scan, Sasuke not teleporting his sword into Madara's chest but that sword accidentally stab Madara's chest. Sasuke actually changing his location to his sword location using ameno to avoid Madara's incoming attack.
first panel you can see Sasuke's sword is beside/near Naruto. And then Madara suddenly marching forward toward Sasuke. Sasuke activate his Ameno and swap with his sword location beside Naruto.
But that sword still floating on the mid air and Madara given his velocity when flying very fast unable to stop before the still floating sword stab him.
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At this quote. Do you stupid or something? How can you have thinking like this?
You know when author draw the lines in every action, its for guideline or clue what the actions were. High speed movement, teleportation, levitation etc has their own style of lines to emphasis or telling the reader whats going on.
Yes when we saw TSB and its movement, its tells you how fast it goes. Its necessary.
But when you using 'fiction' as excuses because you lack in good points to counter my arguments. I declare that you lost this debate overall.
You should counter me by facts. But from the start, you just speculate and speculate. And that Kamui infos you gave me doesnt tell me new thing or something that can back up your points.
Speed dont mean much my friend as many Naruto characters lack flight abilities. And if we take verse vs verse you cant used JJMadara and JJ Obito. All characters need to be in their regular/normal stated without temporary power. Thats mean only Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura, Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri, plus new villains can fly. But majority of DBZ characters can fly and do bombardment from above and beruus can fire his ki blast from far away and destroy the planet and not needed to CqC with Naruto characters.
If planet of Naruto is done. Only NV characterz left is above people.
I will evaluate your next reply and see if it worth to be counter.
This how you debate by making excuses. So because you cant counter my arguments you resorting to called this as fiction and wont followed science logic.
But you need to remember not all attack like TSB or any attack in Naruto came with speed info/calculation. Thats mean you cant said TSB is faster than DBZ character as there was no definitive answer. Thus Im also have a right to say DBZ is fiction and not followed real world physic.
Im asking you to give me info that said all Space/Time travel is instant. If you cant or avoid to cooperate. That mean you concede.
Type of Space/Time travel
1, Teleportation(FTG)
2. Warping(Kamui)
3. Worm hole
4. Black hole
etc
All those Time/spave travel had different speed
Go check Superpower wiki, nothing I found said Space/Time travel/manipulation had same speed that is instant.
About BZ points.
If you read Naruto manga in which you did not. Before that scan I post, Obito stand on the tree branch and he told Zetsu to go to Itachi corpse location. He used Kamui while Zetsu used myfly. And Obito arrived first before Zetsu.
But what make it funny, you tried to speculate by saying Obito used body fliker without put an effort to know the truth by searching the remaining page. Thats mean I arguing with one person that knew nothing about Naruto story here.
About Sasuke sword
This matter has been discuss by me and other members here numbers of times. From that scan, Sasuke not teleporting his sword into Madara's chest but that sword accidentally stab Madara's chest. Sasuke actually changing his location to his sword location using ameno to avoid Madara's incoming attack.
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first panel you can see Sasuke's sword is beside/near Naruto. And then Madara suddenly marching forward toward Sasuke. Sasuke activate his Ameno and swap with his sword location beside Naruto.
But that sword still floating on the mid air and Madara given his velocity when flying very fast unable to stop before the still floating sword stab him.
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At this quote. Do you stupid or something? How can you have thinking like this?
You know when author draw the lines in every action, its for guideline or clue what the actions were. High speed movement, teleportation, levitation etc has their own style of lines to emphasis or telling the reader whats going on.
Yes when we saw TSB and its movement, its tells you how fast it goes. Its necessary.
But when you using 'fiction' as excuses because you lack in good points to counter my arguments. I declare that you lost this debate overall.
You should counter me by facts. But from the start, you just speculate and speculate. And that Kamui infos you gave me doesnt tell me new thing or something that can back up your points.
Speed dont mean much my friend as many Naruto characters lack flight abilities. And if we take verse vs verse you cant used JJMadara and JJ Obito. All characters need to be in their regular/normal stated without temporary power. Thats mean only Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura, Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri, plus new villains can fly. But majority of DBZ characters can fly and do bombardment from above and beruus can fire his ki blast from far away and destroy the planet and not needed to CqC with Naruto characters.
If planet of Naruto is done. Only NV characterz left is above people.
I will evaluate your next reply and see if it worth to be counter.
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