Kaguya's Base Power?

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Hagoromo should be more powerful than Kaguya. I personally believe Kaguya's base power is around the same as the complete Juubi.

Here is the main reason I call this Kaguya's "base" power, because we usually compare her power to the fight between Team 7. That wasn't really her "base" power considering she absorbed chakra from EVERYONE in the world.

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Since Kaguya is technically the Shinju/Juubi her power should be around the same as the complete(including the full Eight and Nine Tails) Juubi.

That's my assumption of Kaguya's base power.
 

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No, Kaguya's full, "base" power is the chakra of everyone in the world, considering she's the original.
That's not really correct. Remember, she tried to take the power that was shared between Hagoromo and his brother. I don't see how having kids would affect/split her chakra? Wouldn't it only give them chakra?

Unless everyone came from Kaguya. There was probably already chakra before Kaguya, maybe just not extreme levels of chakra.
 

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Nope. The juubi in the war is a watered down one that hagoromo and hamura fought. This is evident by everyone having kaguyas chakra.
Well.. The Nine-Tails Chakra that was shared with all the Shinobi is Kaguya's chakra.

Plus, you didn't read the thread because I said complete Juubi(with both the full Eight and Nine-Tails).
 

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Only Juubi Jin Hagoromo was near the base power of Kaguya. Before that, he needed his brother Hamura to match Kaguya.

No individual is as powerful as Kaguya. Although her stupidity will probably be her own downfall.
 

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Only Juubi Jin Hagoromo was near the base power of Kaguya. Before that, he needed his brother Hamura to match Kaguya.

No individual is as powerful as Kaguya. Although her stupidity will probably be her own downfall.
This doesnt really make sense.
Kaguya IS the Juubi.
Shinju+Kaguya = Juubi.

So Juubi jin Hagoromo is:

Shinju+Kaguya+Hagoromo

So Juubi jin Hagoromo is stronger than her.
 

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Juubi jin Hagoromo, yes but normal Hagoromo, nope.

Even what you said on Hagoromo not splitting/effecting Kaguya full chakra is true. She still had more chakra than her sons.
 

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Well.. The Nine-Tails Chakra that was shared with all the Shinobi is Kaguya's chakra.

Plus, you didn't read the thread because I said complete Juubi(with both the full Eight and Nine-Tails).
No you don't understand. The juubi in the war arc is left over chakra that hagoromo didn't pass out during ninshu. Absorbing chakra from MT returns Kaguya to her former strength.
 

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Juubi jin Hagoromo, yes but normal Hagoromo, nope.

Even what you said on Hagoromo not splitting/effecting Kaguya full chakra is true. She still had more chakra than her sons.
That's pretty much what I'm saying. JJ Hagoromo is stronger than Kaguya. Pre-JJ Hagoromo is obviously weaker than Kaguya. Should have probably made that clear. Kaguya's base power should be around the level of the 100% Juubi.

Taking the Chakra from all Shinobi increased her chakra beyond that. So, Naruto and Sasuke didn't actually fight her base power, but a powered up version of Kaguya.

No you don't understand. The juubi in the war arc is left over chakra that hagoromo didn't pass out during ninshu. Absorbing chakra from MT returns Kaguya to her former strength.
Again, that's not entirely true. Black Zetsu even said she become stronger after taking more of Shinobi's chakra:

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Taking chakra make her stronger, not return her to former self.

Remember, the Juubi was attacking Hagoromo and his brother to get it's chakra back. This is before Hagoromo became the Jinchuriki. That part doesn't make sense because their chakra shouldn't be Kaguya's.
 
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Descent

To obtain the fruit of the Divine Tree, the Rabbit Goddess descended.

From the moment they assumed humanoid form, mankind had walked a world of strife waging war against one another. The ground was stained with blood, and as if drinking it in, the Divine Tree took root in the earth. In time, the Divine Tree bore a single fruit, and a clan migrated from another world in search of it. They were the Ohtsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Ohtsutsuki, ate the Divine Tree's fruit and became the originator of chakra, and with that tremendous power subdued the world in the blink of an eye.

→↓ The towering Divine Tree. It bore a forbidden fruit that would bestow power to whomever ate it.

Rule

She who ruled alone and coveted all chakra.

Ohtsutsuki Kaguya had brought an end to the turbulent times. Dubbed the Rabbit Goddess, she received the blessings of the people and gave birth to twins.

↓ The birth of Hagoromo and Hamura. Kaguya's chakra had become dispersed.

However, Kaguya ruled by herself and often resorted to cruelty. The Byakugan, the Sharingan, and the Infinite Tsukuyomi—these jutsu wielded by Kaguya were regarded with fear, awe, and reverance by the people. At some indefinite point, the Rabbit Goddess had instead become known as a Demon. Then Kaguya found herself ruled by her own desire to possess all chakra.

Moon

The Ohtsutsuki brothers used the power of Six Paths to seal Ten Tails.

Kaguya's desire to unite all chakra eventually turned her against Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twins, to whom she had dispersed her chakra while giving birth. Devising a plan to absorb their chakra, she integrated with the Divine Tree and challenged the twins to battle...

↑ The Ohtsutsuki brothers fighting an incarnation of the Divine Tree, Ten Tails. In truth, they were also doing battle with their mother.

The twins, assuming that Ten Tails was an incarnation of the Divine Tree, and that it had attacked them to recover the chakra from its stolen fruit, met it head on. After a desperate struggle, they invoked Six Paths Planetary Construction. Transforming it into the moon, they sealed it away.

↑→ The husk of Ten Tails, the Gedo Statue, was sealed in the moon. Hamura took leadership of the clan and decreed that they would stand guard over the statue.

Ninshu

A power that links individuals brought about peace and order.

Leaving leadership of the clan to his brother, Hagoromo stayed in these lands. He fundamentally believed that chakra was a power that linked everything in the world. Filled with righteous purpose, he set out to spread this message to the people of this land. His teachings became known as ninshu—the shinobi creed—and they should have brought about eternal peace and order...

Inheritance

The fate of ninshu was entrusted to the love of mankind.

Before long, Hagoromo had two children of his own: elder brother Indra and younger brother Ashura. Hagoromo shared the teachings of ninshu with both of them.

→ Becoming strong thanks to the cooperation of others, Ashura came to understand the essence of ninshu.

Elder brother Indra inherited all of Hagoromo's power and was a genius from birth. On the other hand, Ashura gained his strength by connecting with others. Hagoromo named the younger brother guardian of ninshu.

← Recognizing that he was near death, Hagoromo partitioned the power of Ten Tails into the biju.

Reincarnation

From the darkness an endless conflict was orchestrated.

Hagoromo had named Ashura the guardian of ninshu, earnestly hoping that Indra would continue to support his younger brother. Without the cooperation of Indra, he was uncertain whether ninshu would survive to be inherited by future generations...

However, there were embers smoldering within Indra that his father had overlooked. It was the perfect opportunity for a certain sneering darkness. That darkness—Black Zetsu—whispered to the heartbroken Indra and stoked those embers into a hellfire.

Ninjutsu

Thus ninshu became ninjutsu and man was forced to endure eternal war.

Black Zetsu tempted Indra and instilled in him a burning hatred for his father and younger brother. Denying ninshu and driven by his own genius, he invented ninjutsu and challenged his younger brother. Indra and Ashura crossed blades time and again, but the flames of their conflict could never be extinguished. Their souls continued to reincarnate over and over, with the reincarnations of each generation meeting the same fate.

Ninshu, the power that linked individuals, became obsolete. Mankind, endowed with Kaguya's dispersed chakra, brought back the turbulent times and wielded ninjutsu as a weapon...

↑ Engraved upon the Uchiha's stone tablet is a warning from Hagoromo...

All chakra is Kaguya's power.
 

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Descent

To obtain the fruit of the Divine Tree, the Rabbit Goddess descended.

From the moment they assumed humanoid form, mankind had walked a world of strife waging war against one another. The ground was stained with blood, and as if drinking it in, th Divine Tree took root in the earth. In time, the Divine Tree bore a single fruit, and a clan migrated from another world in search of it. They were the Ohtsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Ohtsutsuki, ate the Divine Tree's fruit and became the originator of chakra, and with that tremendous power subdued the world in the blink of an eye.

→↓ The towering Divine Tree. It bore a forbidden fruit that would bestow power to whomever ate it.

Rule

She who ruled alone and coveted all chakra.

Ohtsutsuki Kaguya had brought an end to the turbulent times. Dubbed the Rabbit Goddess, she received the blessings of the people and gave birth to twins.

↓ The birth of Hagoromo and Hamura. Kaguya's chakra had become dispersed.

However, Kaguya ruled by herself and often resorted to cruelty. The Byakugan, the Sharingan, and the Infinite Tsukuyomi—these jutsu wielded by Kaguya were regarded with fear, awe, and reverance by the people. At some indefinite point, the Rabbit Goddess had instead become known as a Demon. Then Kaguya found herself ruled by her own desire to possess all chakra.

Moon

The Ohtsutsuki brothers used the power of Six Paths to seal Ten Tails.

Kaguya's desire to unite all chakra eventually turned her against Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twins, to whom she had dispersed her chakra while giving birth. Devising a plan to absorb their chakra, she integrated with the Divine Tree and challenged the twins to battle...

↑ The Ohtsutsuki brothers fighting an incarnation of the Divine Tree, Ten Tails. In truth, they were also doing battle with their mother.

The twins, assuming that Ten Tails was an incarnation of the Divine Tree, and that it had attacked them to recover the chakra from its stolen fruit, met it head on. After a desperate struggle, they invoked Six Paths Planetary Construction. Transforming it into the moon, they sealed it away.

↑→ The husk of Ten Tails, the Gedo Statue, was sealed in the moon. Hamura took leadership of the clan and decreed that they would stand guard over the statue.

Ninshu

A power that links individuals brought about peace and order.

Leaving leadership of the clan to his brother, Hagoromo stayed in these lands. He fundamentally believed that chakra was a power that linked everything in the world. Filled with righteous purpose, he set out to spread this message to the people of this land. His teachings became known as ninshu—the shinobi creed—and they should have brought about eternal peace and order...

Inheritance

The fate of ninshu was entrusted to the love of mankind.

Before long, Hagoromo had two children of his own: elder brother Indra and younger brother Ashura. Hagoromo shared the teachings of ninshu with both of them.

→ Becoming strong thanks to the cooperation of others, Ashura came to understand the essence of ninshu.

Elder brother Indra inherited all of Hagoromo's power and was a genius from birth. On the other hand, Ashura gained his strength by connecting with others. Hagoromo named the younger brother guardian of ninshu.

← Recognizing that he was near death, Hagoromo partitioned the power of Ten Tails into the biju.

Reincarnation

From the darkness an endless conflict was orchestrated.

Hagoromo had named Ashura the guardian of ninshu, earnestly hoping that Indra would continue to support his younger brother. Without the cooperation of Indra, he was uncertain whether ninshu would survive to be inherited by future generations...

However, there were embers smoldering within Indra that his father had overlooked. It was the perfect opportunity for a certain sneering darkness. That darkness—Black Zetsu—whispered to the heartbroken Indra and stoked those embers into a hellfire.

Ninjutsu

Thus ninshu became ninjutsu and man was forced to endure eternal war.

Black Zetsu tempted Indra and instilled in him a burning hatred for his father and younger brother. Denying ninshu and driven by his own genius, he invented ninjutsu and challenged his younger brother. Indra and Ashura crossed blades time and again, but the flames of their conflict could never be extinguished. Their souls continued to reincarnate over and over, with the reincarnations of each generation meeting the same fate.

Ninshu, the power that linked individuals, became obsolete. Mankind, endowed with Kaguya's dispersed chakra, brought back the turbulent times and wielded ninjutsu as a weapon...

↑ Engraved upon the Uchiha's stone tablet is a warning from Hagoromo...

All chakra is Kaguya's power.
Chakra isnt Kaguys power.

She was simply the first* to use this power.

Chakra belongs to the Shinju, not Kaguya.

She only said it was hers because she was obsessed with its power and believed she was the only one who should have it.
 
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