Might guy vs Orochimaru

[TRE MERCER]

That's not what tanking is. You are still using the fact that Manda did not survive an attack as proof that he will survive a weaker attack, which doesn't work for obvious reasons. That alone destroys your argument.

Let's for a second say Madara Susanoo was hit by a flash Bijuudama and it stayed in tact and protected Madara from any damaged but due to the power of a flash Bijuudama the Susanoo collapsed does this mean Madara Susanoo didn't tank the Bijuudama nope.​

So much fail in this paragraph. Manda protected Sasuke from getting killed by the initial blast because he was a meat shield. Doesn't mean Manda tanked, because he sustained damage to the point where he died. Literally nothing in this manga supports the bold and your comparison with Kakuzu doesn't work since Raikage is much more durable than Kakuzu. In fact, if he was alive he would have tanked it even easier because regular human bodies are more durable than Edo bodies (there are countless examples if you need me to post them.)

He tanked it because the object or thing he was suppose to protect ran inside his body and sustained no damage due to Manda durability if Manda didn't tank it why wasn't Sasuke obliterated? Regular human bodies aren't more durable than Edo bodies there the same and the 3rd Raikage is proof of that. Take a look here.(

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). We see his edo flakes plus we see regeneration ocurring on his back which means if he would have been alive Rasenshuriken needle like chakra stabbers would have been able to damage his cells thus ruining his body from the inside which would also mean that he wouldn't be able to fight/ get back up after being hit by that if he was human plus the Rasenshuriken used on Kakuzu wasn't even at full power.​

So, I'm going to go ahead and ask you to prove this. It should be obvious that V3 Susanoo is more durable than Manda but you denied that, so I'm going to deny that C0 is stronger than Hirudora.

This isn't going to help your argument at all it only makes you look dumb to claim that Hirudora which didn't even kill Kisame is stronger than a c0 explosion which is beyond village level due to c3 alone being village level and Deidara stated himself that c0 is his strongest explosion also thanks for the sig.​

1. Those were the clouds clearing from the C0 explosion.

2. Your Karin example only proves my point. She can't sense his chakra because he had already reverse summoned and therefore outside her sensing range. Exact same thing happens

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when she can't sense his chakra, because Sasuke was in kamui.

3. Manga still shuts down your entire argument (

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). Sasuke states they took the hit just before he reverse summoned. This was a point you decided to ignore.

Let's for a second say Sasuke was gone by the time Karin recognized him it still doesn't help your point because the explosion had already reached it's climax before Karin even tried to sense Sasuke.(

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). So that doesn't help your argument at all. L0l @ Hirudora being stronger than C0 dude c0 dwarfs mountains nuff said.​

 

[Beans2]

Let's for a second say Madara Susanoo was hit by a flash Bijuudama and it stayed in tact and protected Madara from any damaged but due to the power of a flash Bijuudama the Susanoo collapsed does this mean Madara Susanoo didn't tank the Bijuudama nope.​

He tanked it because the object or thing he was suppose to protect ran inside his body and sustained no damage due to Manda durability if Manda didn't tank it why wasn't Sasuke obliterated? Regular human bodies aren't more durable than Edo bodies there the same and the 3rd Raikage is proof of that. Take a look here.(

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). We see his edo flakes plus we see regeneration ocurring on his back which means if he would have been alive Rasenshuriken needle like chakra stabbers would have been able to damage his cells thus ruining his body from the inside which would also mean that he wouldn't be able to fight/ get back up after being hit by that if he was human plus the Rasenshuriken used on Kakuzu wasn't even at full power.​

This isn't going to help your argument at all it only makes you look dumb to claim that Hirudora which didn't even kill Kisame is stronger than a c0 explosion which is beyond village level due to c3 alone being village level and Deidara stated himself that c0 is his strongest explosion also thanks for the sig.​

Let's for a second say Sasuke was gone by the time Karin recognized him it still doesn't help your point because the explosion had already reached it's climax before Karin even tried to sense Sasuke.(

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). So that doesn't help your argument at all. L0l @ Hirudora being stronger than C0 dude c0 dwarfs mountains nuff said.​

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Not going to continue posting paragraphs when you ignore the manga and repeatedly chose to ignore this scan which I've posted twice now and both times you didn't address it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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Not going to continue posting paragraphs when you ignore the manga and repeatedly chose to ignore this scan which I've posted twice now and both times you didn't address it.

You've ignored multiple scans though im happy you didn't reply back with a wall of text ill be sure to keep an eye out on your conceding statement in KG vm's.​

 

[Beans2]

You've ignored multiple scans though im happy you didn't reply back with a wall of text ill be sure to keep an eye out on your conceding statement in KG vm's.​

You have no counter.

 

[TRE MERCER]

You have no counter.

Actually no he said right before he flew him and Manda took the hit there is no scan out there that says Manda was barely touched. Also the scroll Suigetsu had showed what time Manda went poof and by the time that happened c0 explosion died down.​

Manda was caught from here.(

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). to here .(

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).That's basically the entire explosion.​

I said most of the explosion and as i said to Zexion here is when Manda went poof because of the damage.(

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). Even Suigetsu says it really happened which means Manda got ****ed up.​

Let's for a second say Sasuke and Manda was gone by the time Karin recognized him it still doesn't help your point because the explosion had already reached it's climax before Karin even tried to sense Sasuke.(

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[Beans2]

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Smh.

"The hit" in question would be referring to C0's blast. Not the entire duration of the explosion. Why would Sasuke stay inside Manda for the entire explosion and then reverse summon away, as opposed to reverse summoning as quickly as possible since his goal was to escape before C0 hit? Manga debunks your argument completely. I wasn't going to respond to such a stupid post but you asked for this one.

Sasuke already had Manda under genjutsu and had positioned himself inside it by the time the blast hit. All that's needed is to reverse summon away. It takes Sasuke a second to complete the reverse summoning. The entire duration of the C0 blast is much longer than that. Sasuke says "right before we flew, Manda and I received the hit". What do you think "right before" implies? It means that very little time had elapsed between the blast first hitting and them reverse summoning away. Much less time than the entire duration of the explosion.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Smh.



Sasuke already had Manda under genjutsu and had positioned himself inside it by the time the blast hit. All that's needed is to reverse summon away. It takes Sasuke a second to complete the reverse summoning. The entire duration of the C0 blast is much longer than that. Sasuke says "right before we flew, Manda and I received the hit". What do you think "right before" implies? It means that very little time had elapsed between the blast first hitting and them reverse summoning away. Much less time than the entire duration of the explosion.

Dude are you still replying? Irrelevant when Suigetsu scroll in-fact shows when Manda went poof im not sure why you can't grasp this bro. Also this was already addressed when i mentioned it about the Karin argument and once again ill say weather Manda died or not c0 is tiers above Hirudora in-terms of everything destructive.​

 

[Beans2]

Dude are you still replying? Irrelevant when Suigetsu scroll in-fact shows when Manda went poof im not sure why you can't grasp this bro. Also this was already addressed when i mentioned it about the Karin argument and once again ill say weather Manda died or not c0 is tiers above Hirudora in-terms of everything destructive.​

Sasuke's statement trumps whatever happened with the scroll. You still haven't countered Sasuke's statement. Karin is irrelevant.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke's statement trumps whatever happened with the scroll. You still haven't countered Sasuke's statement. Karin is irrelevant.

Bold- How come? Because it helps your argument? It's scan vs scan here but that's literally all you have to try and prove your argument i've provided solid proof and multiple areas while at the same time you couldn't/didn't but ur dismissed here im making avatars so give me some time to reply.​

 

[Beans2]

Bold- How come? Because it helps your argument? It's scan vs scan here but that's literally all you have to try and prove your argument i've provided solid proof and multiple areas while at the same time you couldn't/didn't but ur dismissed here im making avatars so give me some time to reply.​

If something is explicitly stated in the manga then it trumps contradicting evidence that's only implied since there can be no other interpretation. Sasuke said it hit right before he flew. That manga fact stands in stone. Whereas, it wasn't specifically stated that the snake on the scroll disappears at the moment when Manda is reverse summoned so it's possible there is a lag between Manda being reverse summoned and the picture on the scroll disappearing. There is also a ton of supporting evidence to support my argument while there is nothing that supports yours except that one scan of the snake scroll. Which has already been addressed.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If something is explicitly stated in the manga then it trumps contradicting evidence that's only implied since there can be no other interpretation. Sasuke said it hit right before he flew. That manga fact stands in stone. Whereas, it wasn't specifically stated that the snake on the scroll disappears at the moment when Manda is reverse summoned so it's possible there is a lag between Manda being reverse summoned and the picture on the scroll disappearing. There is also a ton of supporting evidence to support my argument while there is nothing that supports yours except that one scan of the snake scroll. Which has already been addressed.

You have one concrete point here but the rest is just no. But one thing your not understanding here is this let's say for a second that he summoned Manda and got out of there within 2 seconds. Why would the scroll of Manda depleting be so far off? Let's say the scroll stood for Manda's life force if Sasuke was out of there within 2 seconds why would the Manda on the scroll just now be dying out when in-fact the Manda on the scroll was still there before Suigetsu looked and if it's true that Sasuke was out of the explosion before Suigetsu looked on the scroll wouldn't the Manda have already been faded away? Now let's go with option 2 suggesting that the Manda on the scroll would disappear once Manda summoning activation was over it would have been long gone prior 2 Suigetsu looking at the scroll so again you logic wouldn't make since in either scene.​

 

[Beans2]

You have one concrete point here but the rest is just no. But one thing your not understanding here is this let's say for a second that he summoned Manda and got out of there within 2 seconds. Why would the scroll of Manda depleting be so far off? Let's say the scroll stood for Manda's life force if Sasuke was out of there within 2 seconds why would the Manda on the scroll just now be dying out when in-fact the Manda on the scroll was still there before Suigetsu looked and if it's true that Sasuke was out of the explosion before Suigetsu looked on the scroll wouldn't the Manda have already been faded away? Now let's go with option 2 suggesting that the Manda on the scroll would disappear once Manda summoning activation was over it would have been long gone prior 2 Suigetsu looking at the scroll so again you logic wouldn't make since in either scene.​

The picture can't represent Manda's life force, it's already manga fact that Manda physically died long after the explosion. If the snake represents Manda being summoned, who knows why it disappeared a few seconds later? There was a time delay for some reason.

 

[Imperious]

Lol, is this seriously even a thread? Gai stomps with overwhelming speed and force, which isn't a good thing for Orochimaru considering taijutsu isn't his strong suit. Come to think of it, taijutsu is his weakness, he's featless in it. Manda definitely > Hirudora, but EE or AA should clean up...

 

[TRE MERCER]

The picture can't represent Manda's life force, it's already manga fact that Manda physically died long after the explosion. If the snake represents Manda being summoned, who knows why it disappeared a few seconds later? There was a time delay for some reason.

There wasn't a delay it is a proven hole in your argument.​

 

[Queen of Saigon]

Guy has the upper-hand, but Oro probably knows how to disrupt the Chakra Pathway System. If Oro managed to seal or cripple guy's Chakra system then guy easily looses.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

This is a totally fair and balanced thread.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Im well aware Manda and Orochimaru loses via 8th gate but if that's restricted then Gai loses.​