Sasori vs Muu

[Apêx1]

Weaving chakra nature just means converting it to said nature...that just means the magnetism is made of chakra. Its the basic rules of ninjutsu :lol

Are you retarded? He CONVERTS his chakra into magnetism. It is NO LONGER chakra, it is now magnetism. Chakra is never converted into actual electricity. Zetsu says this himself, it will always be raiton chakra, and not real electricity.

 

[DMT]

Muu fly and uses his sensory abilities to dodge any shit sasori throws at him, he then goes invisible and fly behind him.... Jinton cube GG

 

[Zexion~]

Are you retarded? He CONVERTS his chakra into magnetism. It is NO LONGER chakra, it is now magnetism. Chakra is never converted into actual electricity. Zetsu says this himself, it will always be raiton chakra, and not real electricity.

Uh are you retarded? The scan you posted said weave, and i'm not going to take your fanboy asses word for it that its supposed to be "convert" even if it was that doesn't make sense. Magnetism is a chakra nature a KKG which guess what always contain chakra , there is no reason it should act any different than the others, combining two different chakra natures to make a separate one.


You also just disproved your own point.

 

[solorflare99]

Weaving chakra nature just means converting it to said nature...that just means the magnetism is made of chakra. Its the basic rules of ninjutsu :lol

If the magnetism is what was converted from the chakra then it can't be absorbed since it isn't in the metal only controlling it.. That would be like saying you can absorbing Shinra Tensei.

 

[Zexion~]

If the magnetism is what was converted from the chakra then it can't be absorbed since it isn't in the metal only controlling it.. That would be like saying you can absorbing Shinra Tensei.

Yeah, but the magnetism controlling it is obviously going to be around the IS .-. Something being directly controlled by magnetism has to be within its field.

The GSB would be fired at its vicinity, hell samehada might just absorb it naturally.

 

[solorflare99]

Yeah, but the magnetism controlling it is obviously going to be around the IS .-. Something being directly controlled by magnetism has to be within its field.

The GSB would be fired at its vicinity, hell samehada might just absorb it naturally.

Yeah it is defiantly with the vicinity of absorption but can't be. It was converted in a force. Not a chakra nature but a force which is a big difference.

Fire release turns into Fire chakra.
Magnet Release turns into Magnetic force.

The only magnetic release you that show using chakra in his tools was a kumo ninja and when he did that it made the opponent a permanent target to metal.

So even if what you say is true it could actually backfire.

Samehada has shown that when he absobs ninjutsu the ninjutsu doesn't convert back to chakra and can still hurt samehada. Nor did it conver Killer bee's bijuu chakra to normal chakra.
Samehada absorbs magnetic chakra and then he can become a permanent target or worse sasori can control samehada.
and that is only if he could absorb the chakra. So it is a lose lose situation for absorbing.

 

[Apêx1]

Uh are you retarded? The scan you posted said weave, and i'm not going to take your fanboy asses word for it that its supposed to be "convert" even if it was that doesn't make sense. Magnetism is a chakra nature a KKG which guess what always contain chakra , there is no reason it should act any different than the others, combining two different chakra natures to make a separate one.


You also just disproved your own point.

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Here's the VIZ:

Its one of the third Kazekage's original jutsu... Adapted from one used by the former host of Shukaku.
It can mold Magnetic Sand into any shape... Forming the perfect weapon for every situation.

The Third KazeKage... was graced with a special physical constitution that allowed him to convert his chakra into magnetic forces.

Sakura: What do you mean? That thing's just a puppet, right? How can a doll hold chakra?

Chiyo: Well... that puppet is a human puppet, built from a real cadaver.
Like a battery it kept what chakra the body had possessed in life.

So any retard can see that something which is converted into something else has become that particular something else. It's not longer what it used to be because it was converted.

Convert: be able to change from one form to another

 

[Zexion~]

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Here's the VIZ:



So any retard can see that something which is converted into something else has become that particular something else. It's not longer what is used to be because it was converted.

Okay i'm not doing this with a retard.

Its labeled as a Ninjutsu and its a fucking Kekkai Genkai, everyone knows that changing you're chakra nature is a thing, if you want to take Chiyo's wording over Kishi's labels go right ahead.

Not to mention we can clearly SEE Him pumping something out his chest, a normal magnetic force isn't visible.


@SolarFlare good shit for making a logical argument unlike other people in the thread actually those kinds of arguments are always a pain, but pretty sure when absorbed Kisame can make the chakra his own, as seen when he doesn't get Bijju power when absorbing Bijuu chakra :lol

 

[Apêx1]

Okay i'm not doing this with a retard.

Its labeled as a Ninjutsu and its a fucking Kekkai Genkai, everyone knows that changing you're chakra nature is a thing, if you want to take Chiyo's wording over Kishi's labels go right ahead.

Not to mention we can clearly SEE Him pumping something out his chest, a normal magnetic force isn't visible.

Kekkei Genkai=Hereditary. No implication of chakra substances.
Ninjutsu=An ability which requires chakra. I never said it isn't using chakra, but once it has it is no longer chakra, it becomes magnetism.
Changing your chakra nature=From normal chakra to raiton chakra. Chakra is still within the substance. Not to mention I gave you the VIZ which says CONVERT. So foh with your shitty arguments.
And LMAO. So Kishi didn't have Chiyo say that? I guess Chiyo can speak for herself and Kishi can speak for himself smfhhhhhh.

 

[Akasuna]

smdh, Zex out here getting owned by Apex so hard it aint even funny

 

[Zexion~]

Kekkei Genkai=Hereditary. No implication of chakra substances.
Ninjutsu=An ability which requires chakra. I never said it isn't using chakra, but once it has it is no longer chakra, it becomes magnetism.
Changing your chakra nature=From normal chakra to raiton chakra. Chakra is still within the substance. Not to mention I gave you the VIZ which says CONVERT. So foh with your shitty arguments.
And LMAO. So Kishi didn't have Chiyo say that? I guess Chiyo can speak for herself and Kishi can speak for himself smfhhhhhh.

Uhm except Magnet release was already stated to be the type of KKG which is two CHAKRA elements combined, so the fact that it is a KKG does matter.

Again, if the magnetism isn't chakra how exactly does he control it if he somehow magically "converts it fully from chakra to magnetism" despite every other ability in the shinobi world never doing that.

"He was born with a physical trait that lets him convert chakra to magnetism" Seems like he just was born with the KKG to me. Unless you can tell me this physical trait. As chiyo basically contradicted herself later on stating that it retains only the CHAKRA it had when alive

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, she didn't say shit about it retaining this magical trait of his. Basically reinforcing that the only thing special about him is his chakra and that the magic trait he was born with was just a KKG. Unless the VIZ says something different my man.

Edit- It doesn't.

 

[Mihael Keehl]

Jinton > Jiton, there isn't anything Sasori can do to stop Muu from destroying him. Muu turns invisible flies into the air and launches a massive Jinton.

 

[Apêx1]

Uhm except Magnet release was already stated to be the type of KKG which is two CHAKRA elements combined, so the fact that it is a KKG does matter.

No it doesn't. I am saying the TWO chakra elements are INITIALLY used to convert chakra into magnetism. Once that happens there's only magnetism, no chakra. Similarly to how Kamui happens, and Kamui uses chakra first and then opens up a non-chakra portal. It stems from CHAKRA and it is in fact a KKG.

Again, if the magnetism isn't chakra how exactly does he control it if he somehow magically "converts it fully from chakra to magnetism" despite every other ability in the shinobi world never doing that.

How he controls it is completely irrelevant. Magnetic fields are used to control the IS. How he does that is irrelevant to the fact that the chakra was already converted into magnetism. Couldn't care ANY LESS about anyone other then Sasori. The only thing relevant here is Sasori.

"He was born with a physical trait that lets him convert chakra to magnetism" Seems like he just was born with the KKG to me. Unless you can tell me this physical trait. As chiyo basically contradicted herself later on stating that it retains only the CHAKRA it had when alive

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, she didn't say shit about it retaining this magical trait of his. Basically reinforcing that the only thing special about him is his chakra and that the magic trait he was born with was just a KKG. Unless the VIZ says something different my man.

And what if he was born with it? How does that take away from it at all? And what? I think you are really misunderstanding everything man. He uses chakra on the IS to convert it into magnetism. So the magnetic fields on the IS are a result of Sasori having already had the Kazekage's chakra among the IS. The chakra after that is converted into magnetism which allows the Kazekage to control the Iron Sand. Nobody is suggesting chakra is irrelevant, as it's the starting point of magnetism, it's NEEDED for the conversion process. So even if it's a KKG, it being a KKG is irrelevant as the chakra is CONVERTED into magnetism, thus becoming a non-chakra magnetic field.

 

[solorflare99]

good shit for making a logical argument unlike other people in the thread actually those kinds of arguments are always a pain, but pretty sure when absorbed Kisame can make the chakra his own, as seen when he doesn't get Bijju power when absorbing Bijuu chakra :lol

Kisame without a doubt can convert anything into normal chakra except for Senjutsu. I'm saying samehada is the victim.
Chiyo said the third kazekage would disarm any weapon he had a magnetic control over.

 

[Worm]

Let me make it clear what Sasori does. Like Apex said, Sasori directly converts chakra into an altogether new force. It's different from applying nature elements to your chakra as that is alternation rather than convertion. It's the same case as Pein's Shinra Tensei and BT. He weaves chakra into expulsion force and gravity manipulation. You can't actually absorb either his BT or his ST. Just like Kamui and FTG control space/time via chakra usage and convert it into different forces so you can't absorb FTG or Kamui either. Sasori converts chakra into a whole another force as well, completely different from chakra explusion like sending out fireballs and shit.

Let me steal this quoute from skype:

Let me make it simple: Chakra usage and Chakra Expulsion: Physically compressed chakra output. Chakra usage to perform techs are involve certain manipulation of forces, S/T techs: No physically compressed chakra output.
That's the best way I can put this.

Chakra is capable of controlling different forces and converting itself into them, but you can't actually absorb those forces as they aren't physically compressed chakra outputs. They are a whole another force altogether. 3rd Kazekage creates magnetic forces out of his body (left side of the chest in puppet's case) and uses them to control the Iron Sand. The force is generated by using chakra, but it isn't an outward expulsion of chakra.

The best you could do to absorb is grab the Kazekage and absorb shit directly out of his body. Also, like Josh said on skype, it is entirely possible to convert one force into another going by physics.

 

[Beans2]

How did this turn into Sasori vs Kisame?

 

[Worm]

How did this turn into Sasori vs Kisame?

Zexion...

Although, it's more so proving that you can't absorb Sasori's stuff rather than Sasori vs Kisame right now.

 

[New Dawn]

Dat hidan sig tho. Sickest quote in the manga.

 

[Zexion~]

Zexion...

Although, it's more so proving that you can't absorb Sasori's stuff rather than Sasori vs Kisame right now.

Uh, no ****boy TAC and Apex brought it up.


Anyways too tired rn, if I feel like it i'll reply tommorow you guys as usual switched up your arguments. If not i'll see you all in the next Kisame V.S Sasori thread

 

[RedRobin]

How did this turn into Sasori vs Kisame?

Jinton obviously ends the match you made so of course not to waste a thread it will branch into something else.