Sage mode naruto vs Raikage A(4th Raiakge)

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Just sage mode? lol. Ay blitzes and negs. Both war arc and pein arc naruto would lose. Naruto has no defense against ay, that's his only problem.

@bold: wow

OT: war arc SM Naruto wins. Pain arc SM Naruto loses

How does war arc SM Naruto win when he can't even react to Ay?

 

[Haizaki]

1. Naruto clearly said in that scan HM has better sensing, and there's the fact that HM has superior sensing skills. No need to debate further on that subject.

Better sensing=/=Better reflexes..HM may have better sensing but that doesn't mean he has better reflexes that KM. 0 proof of that.

One of the reasons why Naruto used SM was because he overused KM

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..There's nothing special that HM Naruto did compared to KM Naruto asides sensing because Naruto in his KM state showed he could blitz the Third Raikage as well.

2. Nothing suggests he is physically weaker than E, in fact the opposite. He broke the gates with his pure chakra and strength

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. E's punch didn't even put down KM Naruto who got manhandled by Obito.

Pure chakra=/= Pure strength. Not to mention this would mean Madara is physically stronger that the ten tails itself which we know doesn't make any sense since it couldn't do so and the Juubi destroyed Kitsch's Earth Sandwich.. That would put him on JJ Obito's level of strength with the only difference being he was actually confirmed to break it with physical strength unlike Madara.

Ay punch didn't completely put down KM Naruto because of his durability and what physical prowess did Obito show against Naruto that would lead me to believe Ay is weak like you're saying?

3. Do I really need to explain why HM is more durable? KM Naruto

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by Obito in CQC, HM has this

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. No debate here.

I see you completely ignored the Tenpechii feat I showed but went ahead to show me feat of Naruto's clone being knocked out by Obito's Gunbai....Kakashi has better durability than Naruto's SM clone if you didn't know. Kakashi took ST several times while Naruto's clone was turned into dust after Deva hit with ST just once. See why your comparison is very flawed?

1- Falling that high is a good feat but doesn't mean KCM can't do the same when he has arguably shown better feats.

2- Naruto breaking a chakra rod isn't his durability feat but rather his offensive feat since you can see how he broke it in that scan...If SM was that durable then this won't be happening:

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3- Last scan emphasizes mostly on his strength not durability.

Hashirama who was on par with Madara in terms of speed put massive distance to him and Madara with just his footspeed alone

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. Then he reacted to his Bijuu Dama with a summoning

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. And then there's the fact that Edo Madara saw through his attack when he was distracted

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. Madara is faster.

Lol...I'm here trying to figure out what relevance this has to do with anything I've said.

- Massive distance? So? Orochimaru did the same against KN4 Naruto

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to the extent where he had space and could also react with a summoning to the TBB.

- What's your point with Hashirama reacting to a TBB with a summoning? Several fodders reacted to a TBB with having to release Earth style constructs from below in a similar way to Rashomon

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- Edo Madara reacted V1 Ay..That's his reaction speed not his Shunsin speed.

You have no point at all.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto spanks. No intel means he never starts off with a V2 blitz, meaning Naruto ends up using Shadow Clones before Ay can blitz him, and it's all downhill from there. Ay's only chance is to take Naruto out with a blitz at the very start of the fight, because once clones come out, he's not going to hit the real Naruto.

While Ay is having issues locating the original so he can kill him, Naruto simply calls the Elder Sages, has Ma use a Dust Cloud on the area, blinding Ay. However Naruto can still sense Ay perfectly, so he either charges up a Chou Oodama FRS and kills Ay with it, or he uses clones and slams him with a Senpo Rasengan.

Or better yet, once the Dust Cloud is made, the Elder Sages use Frog Call to paralyze Ay, and then Naruto one shots with Senpo Rasengan. Either way, Ay does not win like you people are claiming he does. Not a chance.

And stop using Blind Madara's Shunshin as definite proof that Ay blitzes SM Naruto w/ no reaction when the distance Madara blitzed from was around

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The distance is 30m here. Then there's the fact that being able to catch SM Naruto off guard like that from this distance means that he's far faster than V1 Ay or his father. So he's closer to V2 Ay than he is to V1 Ay. Then there's the fact that Ay has to charge his V2 Shunshin.

Note: I am not definitely saying that Naruto can react, just saying that using Blind Madara as the sole evidence like it's concrete proof is flawed.

 

[Brooks]

The idea of Ei beating War arc SM Naruto is laughable....there is too much firepower for Ei to deal with(such as Chou Oodama FRS).​

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto spanks. No intel means he never starts off with a V2 blitz, meaning Naruto ends up using Shadow Clones before Ay can blitz him, and it's all downhill from there. Ay's only chance is to take Naruto out with a blitz at the very start of the fight, because once clones come out, he's not going to hit the real Naruto.

While Ay is having issues locating the original so he can kill him, Naruto simply calls the Elder Sages, has Ma use a Dust Cloud on the area, blinding Ay. However Naruto can still sense Ay perfectly, so he either charges up a Chou Oodama FRS and kills Ay with it, or he uses clones and slams him with a Senpo Rasengan.

Or better yet, once the Dust Cloud is made, the Elder Sages use Frog Call to paralyze Ay, and then Naruto one shots with Senpo Rasengan. Either way, Ay does not win like you people are claiming he does. Not a chance.

And stop using Blind Madara's Shunshin as definite proof that Ay blitzes SM Naruto w/ no reaction when the distance Madara blitzed from was around

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The distance is 30m here. Then there's the fact that being able to catch SM Naruto off guard like that from this distance means that he's far faster than V1 Ay or his father. So he's closer to V2 Ay than he is to V1 Ay. Then there's the fact that Ay has to charge his V2 Shunshin.

Note: I am not definitely saying that Naruto can react, just saying that using Blind Madara as the sole evidence like it's concrete proof is flawed.

Agreed with everything but River is saying:

- Base Madara's Shunsin > V2 Ay's
- SM Naruto>> KM Naruto in term of reflexes and durability.

 

[KidGamer65]

Agreed with everything but River is saying:

- Base Madara's Shunsin > V2 Ay's
- SM Naruto>> KM Naruto in term of reflexes and durability.

Oh yeah, I know. He's 100% wrong there. Just wanted to clarify on that one point.

 

[LuckyMan]

Naruto spanks. No intel means he never starts off with a V2 blitz, meaning Naruto ends up using Shadow Clones before Ay can blitz him, and it's all downhill from there. Ay's only chance is to take Naruto out with a blitz at the very start of the fight, because once clones come out, he's not going to hit the real Naruto.

While Ay is having issues locating the original so he can kill him, Naruto simply calls the Elder Sages, has Ma use a Dust Cloud on the area, blinding Ay. However Naruto can still sense Ay perfectly, so he either charges up a Chou Oodama FRS and kills Ay with it, or he uses clones and slams him with a Senpo Rasengan.

Or better yet, once the Dust Cloud is made, the Elder Sages use Frog Call to paralyze Ay, and then Naruto one shots with Senpo Rasengan. Either way, Ay does not win like you people are claiming he does. Not a chance.

And stop using Blind Madara's Shunshin as definite proof that Ay blitzes SM Naruto w/ no reaction when the distance Madara blitzed from was around

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The distance is 30m here. Then there's the fact that being able to catch SM Naruto off guard like that from this distance means that he's far faster than V1 Ay or his father. So he's closer to V2 Ay than he is to V1 Ay. Then there's the fact that Ay has to charge his V2 Shunshin.

Note: I am not definitely saying that Naruto can react, just saying that using Blind Madara as the sole evidence like it's concrete proof is flawed.

Since when? I've never recalled anyone state Ay needs to charge up to use shunshin nor has the manga hinted he needs to charge up for it. His shunshin should be no different than everyone else's and I don't see people saying all others need to charge up to use shunshin.

 

[Haizaki]

^^He had to charge up against Sasuke and KCM Naruto.

 

[solorflare99]

SM has better mental reactions while KM has better physical.
Sure SM can see A in V2 but it all depends on how close A is as to whether or not Narruto can physically react.

 

[LuckyMan]

^^He had to charge up against Sasuke and KCM Naruto.

Then wheres the evidence? You're going to need to prove he was charging up, and saying he was just because he was standing in one place isn't going to cut. Nothing in the manga or databook even as little as hinted he needs to charge up to use his shunshin. So where did this idea come from? Why is his shunshin, of all the people in the manga different from everyone elses?

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when? I've never recalled anyone state Ay needs to charge up to use shunshin nor has the manga hinted he needs to charge up for it. His shunshin should be no different than everyone else's and I don't see people saying all others need to charge up to use shunshin.

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Karin clearly mentions that his chakra is still growing. Thus he's charging his chakra for his Shunshin. All other people are irrelevant because we are talking about Ay and Ay alone. V2 Shunshin is just Ay putting more power into his cloak than there normally is, and using Shunshin, hence the charging.

 

[Apêx1]

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Karin clearly mentions that his chakra is still growing. Thus he's charging his chakra for his Shunshin. All other people are irrelevant because we are talking about Ay and Ay alone. V2 Shunshin is just Ay putting more power into his cloak than there normally is, and using Shunshin, hence the charging.

Didn't you argue yesterday that v2 Shunshin can be used in like half a second?

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't you argue yesterday that v2 Shunshin can be used in like half a second?

And then I was proved wrong in that same thread.

 

[solorflare99]

Instant V2 evindence#1

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[LuckyMan]

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Karin clearly mentions that his chakra is still growing. Thus he's charging his chakra for his Shunshin. All other people are irrelevant because we are talking about Ay and Ay alone. V2 Shunshin is just Ay putting more power into his cloak than there normally is, and using Shunshin, hence the charging.

Karin was about to mention how big his chakra was growing here too:

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Was he charging up for shunshin too there?

He doesn't go V2, then charge up, then shunshin. Going V2 itself is charging up from V1 or base then he just shunshins and Ay can go V2 immediately as quickly as he does V1 as seen against Minato, Sasuke, and Naruto. So the time you're saying he would need to charge up is basically him just activating Raiton Armor, which is no time at all really.

 

[King Of Pop]

ill go with Ay. while in v2, his speed laughs at any attempt at frs hitting him considering its been dodged by slower characters(3rd raikage, deva). clones get rushed through with no problem, eventually the real naruto gets located and he and blizes him with lateral chop. thats if he doesnt start off with his initial bliz attempt at the start