Other than Kaguya, who can take on Hagoromo at full power?

[Ambivalence]

JJ Madara

The same Madara that just barely reached non-JJ Hagoromo's level after gaining his second Rinnegan? You wish.

 

[SirCaedus]

The same Madara that just barely reached non-JJ Hagoromo's level after gaining his second Rinnegan? You wish.

Whats the evidence of your statement? I assume you are talking about jj double rinnegan Madara?

 

[Zee U]

The same Madara that just barely reached non-JJ Hagoromo's level after gaining his second Rinnegan? You wish.

Fool, Madara's loyal sect has already tracked your post, they will soon be upon us :lol.

 

[~Ethereal~]

All of you plebs are wrong. Itachi negs that dumbo of a sage. U_U

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

The same Madara that just barely reached non-JJ Hagoromo's level after gaining his second Rinnegan? You wish.

I didn't say he would win lol. You even said he gets mid diff. Also others also said Madara and Hamura... Why do ask me and not others too? For me though the Sage is featless battle wise. Look at Kaguya who is the Strongest but she lacks battle wise... I said my opinion you have yours. Also, the Juubi(complete or the one Madara had) a watered down version of Kaguya I believe is stronger alone than Hagoromo pre JJ. It got Hamura + Hagoromo to seal it. Hagoromo has Kaguya's genes not half of her power. Even Kaguya said that Hamura and Hagoromo are pieces of her power. It has been implied even in the Last that the Sage feared the Juubi and its immense chakra power.

 

[Ambivalence]

Whats the evidence of your statement? I assume you are talking about jj double rinnegan Madara?

Non-JJ Hagoromo said that 1R JJ Madara was getting close to his level. By that we can infer that non-JJ Hagoromo > 1R JJ Madara. Depending on how big of a boost you consider the second Rinnegan to be, DR JJ Madara would arguably be equal to or slightly stronger than the same non-JJ Hagoromo, but just barely. JJ Hagoromo is obviously a tier above in power, so he'd mid-diff Madara, not to mention JJ Hagoromo had the full Juubi, unlike Madara.

Fool, Madara's loyal sect has already tracked your post, they will soon be upon us.

My work here is done then.

 

[SirCaedus]

Non-JJ Hagoromo said that 1R JJ Madara was getting close to his level. By that we can infer that non-JJ Hagoromo > 1R JJ Madara. Depending on how big of a boost you consider the second Rinnegan to be, DR JJ Madara would arguably be equal to or slightly stronger than Hagoromo, but just barely.



My work here is done then.

We really don't know in what sense hago was at the moment of that statement (you can even make a case that he refered to his general juubi jin form, but I'm not here to do that). But ok let's say Non jj hago > 1r jj Madara (barely), if you believe this then you are indirectly saying that JJ Hago was the strongest character in the series (even more than hype Kaguya), because 2 halves of non jj hago were fairly competitive (weren't fodderized) by kaguya, so how would full jj Hago do?

This has no basis of evidence but if we say at the time Naruto and Sasuke were 50% of Hago each, I think Madara was like 65%-80 of JJ Hago, this is just a wild estimation based on hype and a little bit of performance with the CT action and 4 limbo clones.

I think the boost you get from your original double rinnegan eyes (like Madara, not fake owners like Nagato) is up there with becoming a juubis jin in power jump. We can kinda see this in the way how Obito handled the juubi, but couldn't do the same with the rinnegan or else he'd be lost in the chakra or something (been a while).

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

We really don't know in what sense hago was at the moment of that statement (you can even make a case that he refered to his general juubi jin form, but I'm not here to do that). But ok let's say Non jj hago > 1r jj Madara (barely), if you believe this then you are indirectly saying that JJ Hago was the strongest character in the series (even more than hype Kaguya), because 2 halves of non jj hago were fairly competitive (weren't fodderized) by kaguya, so how would full jj Hago do?

This has no basis of evidence but if we say at the time Naruto and Sasuke were 50% of Hago each, I think Madara was like 65%-80 of JJ Hago, this is just a wild estimation based on hype and a little bit of performance with the CT action and 4 limbo clones.

I think the boost you get from your original double rinnegan eyes (like Madara, not fake owners like Nagato) is up there with becoming a juubis jin in power jump. We can kinda see this in the way how Obito handled the juubi, but couldn't do the same with the rinnegan or else he'd be lost in the chakra or something (been a while).

That's a good explaination... Hagoromo as a spirit was post JJ (which I think is really important) and like I said a 1000 year old chakra spirit. It's pretty confusing... At the battle against the Juubi both Hamura and Hagoromo didn't have TSB(JJ/RSM like feature)

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... Like I said its confusing...

 

[Ambivalence]

We really don't know in what sense hago was at the moment of that statement.

He was non-JJ obviously, since the Juubi was sealed inside Madara.

But ok let's say Non jj hago > 1r jj Madara (barely), if you believe this then you are indirectly saying that JJ Hago was the strongest character in the series (even more than hype Kaguya), because 2 halves of non jj hago were fairly competitive (weren't fodderized) by kaguya, so how would full jj Hago do?

Okay, that's just wrong.

1. Naruto and Sasuke defeated Kaguya with the help of DMS Obito, DMS Kakashi and Sakura, and were holding their own only for a while.
2. Kaguya did not have the full Juubi in this fight, unlike when she fought Hagoromo and Hamura, thus Prime Kaguya > Kaguya that fought Naruto and Sasuke, thus non-JJ Hagoromo's feat of beating her with only the help of his brother is much, much more impressive.
3. Going by the previous two points, a weaker Kaguya would have mid-diffed Naruto and Sasuke alone, while a stronger one lost to Hagoromo and Hamura alone, which speaks volumes about even non-JJ Hagoromo's power.

So, having read these 3 points, you can imagine how strong non-JJ Hagoromo is. Now make him a Juubi Jinchuriki, and you get the second strongest person of the Manga.

I think the boost you get from your original double rinnegan eyes (like Madara, not fake owners like Nagato) is up there with becoming a juubis jin in power jump. We can kinda see this in the way how Obito handled the juubi, but couldn't do the same with the rinnegan or else he'd be lost in the chakra or something (been a while).

It's only up there in terms of difficulty of controlling said power, not in actual quantity and quality of power you receive, but you do have a point here.

 

[SirCaedus]

That's a good explaination... Hagoromo as a spirit was post JJ (which I think is really important) and like I said a 1000 year old chakra spirit. It's pretty confusing... At the battle against the Juubi both Hamura and Hagoromo didn't have TSB(JJ/RSM like feature)

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... Like I said its confusing...

True, it's pretty confusing, but it looks like they had the staffs tho.

He was non-JJ obviously, since the Juubi was sealed inside Madara.



Okay, that's just wrong.

1. Naruto and Sasuke defeated Kaguya with the help of DMS Obito, DMS Kakashi and Sakura, and were holding their own only for a while.
2. Kaguya did not have the full Juubi in this fight, unlike when she fought Hagoromo and Hamura, thus Prime Kaguya > Kaguya that fought Naruto and Sasuke, thus non-JJ Hagoromo's feat of beating her with only the help of his brother is much, much more impressive.
3. Going by the previous two points, a weaker Kaguya would have mid-diffed Naruto and Sasuke alone, while a stronger one lost to Hagoromo and Hamura alone, which speaks volumes about even non-JJ Hagoromo's power.

So, having read these 3 points, you can imagine how strong non-JJ Hagoromo is. Now make him a Juubi Jinchuriki, and you get the second strongest person of the Manga.



It's only up there in terms of difficulty of controlling said power, not in actual quantity and quality of power you receive, but you do have a point here.

1.This has nothing to do with what I was saying, I never talked about beating let's look at what I said

2 halves of non jj hago were fairly competitive (weren't fodderized) by kaguya, so how would full jj Hago do?

This was before dms Kakashi,Obito, and Sakura got involved, Naruto and Sasuke weren't destroyed like that, they landed some shot and were holding their own (especially Naruto who managed to fight her with his clones "one on one" for a bit). This is far too much for 2 people with at most half of pre jinn Hagos power.

2. It's true that Kaguya did not have half of kurama and bits and piece of other tailed beast, but the difference wasn't that big if you think about it on a grand scale as she absorbed the chakra from the Mt victims (nearly all of the worlds population). Sure she could have been a bit stronger, but the strength level wouldn't make a diff to someone who should be tiers below (pre jinn Hago).

3.Pre jin hago and Hamura defeated Juubi, not Kaguya. Wasn't it stated that Kaguya was several times stronger than Juubi? Sure it was an incomplete Juubi that Sasuke was comparing her too, but as we discussed Kaguya was too incomplete.

Yea you're right as well, it's something I always wondered about lol.

And forgive me for any grammar mistakes, I kinda rushed this and don't feel like going back and editing lol.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Batman with prep neg diff

Hagoromo with Intel neg diff:heh:


OT: If his hype is real and without PIS...can't think of anyone.

 

[Seventh Sama]

If we go by hype. Momoshiki would beat him easy diff to med diff at most.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke.
She ain't got nothing on that dimension swift

Probably Hamura and Madara.

Naruto Uzumaki in his RSM mode can and possibly 8 Gates Gai.

Putin
JJ MAdara

Thats all

Obito with Ease Susano GG

Obito Madara Hamura and probably Ashura and Indra

Naruto held his own vs Kaguya, I believe he can take hagoromo. I'm not sure about sasuke, hagoromo knows everything about rinnegan and is the only true master.

Sasuke one on one against kaguya level ootsutsuki

LOL. Indra and Ashura can take him. One on one i'd go with Indra and JJ Madara. Though hagaromo would win. Even Hamura can't take him at full power.

JJ Madara and Hamura...

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OT: The only one a case could possibly exist for is Hamura since it seems that he's on par with Rinnegan Hagoromo w/ his Byakugan, and Tenseigan gave Toneri a boost similar to what the Juubi would give to someone. All just speculation though. But he's the only one bar Kaguya who would give him a challenge. Then there are the movie villains, but they are a big question mark.

 

[Omar19992010]

Maybe Momoshiki from the Boruto Movie but I'm not gonna assume anything yet due to the fact I haven't seen the move and we have no idea how strong he is.

The only person that can maybe match him is Hamura and then again that's a big maybe.

 

[Scryed]

JJ Hagoromo?

No one except Kaguya and Momoshikif he's as strong or stronger than her

 

[animals74]

dude hagoromo is just 1 step down from kaguya its very unlikely any1

 

[Ansatsuken]

No one.

My answer is similar like Ambivalence

 

[ComplexCity]

Naruto held his own vs Kaguya, I believe he can take hagoromo. I'm not sure about sasuke, hagoromo knows everything about rinnegan and is the only true master.

Come on Micheal. Don't make Naruto fans look bad by saying this bs

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think JJ Hagoromo and current Kaguya without IT chakra is on par or JJ Hagoromo slightly stronger than her.

What make Kaguya chakra surpassed Juubi is because she absorb IT chakra with her.

Non-IT chakra absorb Kaguya is on par with Juubi jin in power because Kaguya is part of Juubi.

Many people failed to see this small detail. When Sasuke or Naruto said her chakra is above Juubi, its because she absorb IT chakra and adding this chkara into her chakra pool. Kaguya is part of Juubi, that's mean her chakra is all Bijuus chakra. Bijuus chakra made Juubi chakra.

While

Prime Kaguya is Kaguya with all chakra before she gave birth to Hago and Hamura and before she merged with Shinju

Prime Kaguya with all chakra from chakra fruit can be said above JJ Hagoromo. But maybe it to stretching to say that.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

LOL. Indra and Ashura can take him. One on one i'd go with Indra and JJ Madara. Though hagaromo would win. Even Hamura can't take him at full power.

How the hell would Indra and Ashura battle him when you don't even know exactly how powerful they were? Or how they fought? They don't even have the necessary hype to scale them properly. Logically they are much weaker than EOS Naruto and Sasuke were who wouldn't beat this Hagoromo.

JJ Madara was around the level of a jin less old Hagoromo. How the hell would he beat Prime Hago as a jin?

Only Kaguya and Momoshiki could beat him.