(DEBATE) Absolute Zero vs madvictory

[New Dawn]

-The knife did not hit Hidan. It hit his shadow.
-Kimi's taijutsu is slightly better than Hidan's but his weapons are not (stabbing, thrusting, etc.).
-Hidan blocked Shika's punch.
-Asuma's taijutsu is just as good as Hidan and still lost against Hidan with Shika as back up. FYI stop saying Asuma is average taijutsu user. Baseless claim. I might as well Kimi is a complete idiot.
-Hidan was grabbed by Shika's shadows 1) in a midst of orgasm fighting asuma 2) Outsmarting Hidan by attacking his shadow 3) Outsmarting Hidan again by merging shadows.
-Kishi never said kimi is a god. Kishi said Hidan can those do tricks. He didn't say hidan does not have em. He has them but he didnt show them.
-Its not about squads when it comes to ranking. its about the different levels of opponents they faced. Kimi faced 3 kids. Hidan faced 2 adults and 1 teen.
-Clone shit needs to stop. I already quoted in 2nd post. 3T sharingan reduces chakra but gives Kakashi pre-cog that Hidan was able to match. Kakashi could see his movements and predict them that was why Hidan could not tag him.
-Kimi can't drill Hidan. LOL. The weapon is too big and bulky with a small concentrated point of attack. Its impractical. Hidan does use his curse jutsu in the beginning. Its fact. He drew the circle instantly against Asuma & Shika. Kimi is not smart enough to figure the jutsu out.
-Do you even know how the **** the flower weapon works?

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^ the point at the front is what does the damage. Its a small concentrated point. How can u cut shit with that?
The clemantis is bigger than a man's torso but the POINT OF ATTACK IS NO BIGGER THAN HIDAN'S STAKE.
-Well, I am glad we can settle on the fact that Kimi won't figure out Hidan's curse jutsu. So I won't be "repeating" myself anymore.
-The picture i displayed was actually from the manga scan but with color.

 

[Lord Tywin]

they're actually debating? :lol

 

[New Dawn]

they're actually debating? :lol

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[Beans2]

Hmmm... i think each one if you make one more post. No need for the debate to get unnecessarily long.

 

[madvictory]

True. I guess now it's just time to wait for the judges.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

I have decided to judge this shit, nobody can tell me nothin'. U_U

Anyways, given the fact that Hidan is just a low tier Akatsuki fodder who brings shame to the organization, I would have to say that Orochimaru's highest ranking underling would pawn him in a fight. In terms of the points that both debaters brought up, Absolute Zero showed how shitty of a debater he is, and how much of a fodder his favorite character is. Maybe he should buy premium and change his name to Absolute Dipshit or Absolute Zero Intelligence. LOL. I don't think that I could have done a better job of making him look really, really bad even if I tried. Also it doesn't even matter that Hidan faced three adults as two of them were fodder. SRA Gaara would have one hell of an easier time trying to deal with Kotetsu and Izumo, and possibly even Asuma than he had trying to deal with a sick Kimimaro who nearly killed him. Hell, beans even had to restrict dance of the seedling fern, lmao smh. Also Hidan only matched Kakashi in combat speed, not shunshin speed. And I'm also pretty sure Kakashi was deliberately parrying Hidan's attacks since he had full intel on that satanic cult ritual shit, and did it with only a kunai smh.

Then we have this clown talking about Kimimaro being dumb. Hell, he was kind of an airhead for following and dedicating his life to Orochimaru but I don't blame him considering the way he grew up. But the guy showed against Lee and Gaara that he is far from absent minded. He's quite analytical in combat. Smh Hidan is a borderline retard, and we're talking about intelligence? LOL. The only reason this *****ass was added to the Akatsuki was because thread guy kept on killing his previous partners out of fits of rage. Lmao.

Madvictory gets my vote. His avatar is just too good for you clowns.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

As the next judge in the debate, my vote goes to Absolute Zero, for his dedication and service to the Kool Kisame Klub, he's given an extra eighteen points in the debate, putting the final score as 19-Absolute Zero and 14-Madvictory.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Kool Kisame Klub isn't an actual club so those extra points are nullified.

I'll be the tiebreaker. Since I have Absolute Zero on my ignore list and I was unable to look at his posts since madvictory never quoted him directly, I give the win to madvictory by default since I could only look at his points.

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- You're such a klown, cent. Hidan is pathetic and a fodder so he loses anyway by default because I said so. Also AZ isn't worthy of being a Kisame fan since he called him an ugly fish.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Kool Kisame Klub isn't an actual club so those extra points are nullified.

I'll be the tiebreaker. Since I have Absolute Zero on my ignore list and I was unable to look at his posts since madvictory never quoted him directly, I give the win to madvictory by default since I could only look at his points.

Those extra points are added back as the KKK is a real thing.

@Kages You can't tango wit the KKK, back down before we lynch you.

 

[Icelerate]

madvictory's first post

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I disagreed with your notion of Kimimaro being just as skilled as Hebi Sasuke just because he received training. This is because Sasuke is a completely different fighter and there was insufficient proof that Kimimaro received equal training considering his illness. It's great that madvictory brought Kimimaro's calmness and commented on Hidan's irrationality. He showed that Kimi has great stamina even while sick and won't be pressured as much as he was against Gaara so he can keep fighting for longer. I didn't agree with Kimimaro's speed advantage being a significant factor in this fight because there is no proof it's that big to begin with and the fact that Hidan fought against the real Kakashi, not a Kakashi clone. Don't confuse the anime with the manga. Madvictory said that Kimimaro becomes faster in CS2 but he is actually slower. I do agree that Kimimaro can pierce through Hidan and then split him in half due to superior speed.

Absolute Zero's first post

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1. I didn't like how you downplayed Kimimaro's taijutsu prowess just because he fought drunken Lee even though drunken Lee is very skilled and unpredictable in taijutsu. Not to mention he didn't use his CS against either Lee or Naruto so that's a testament to how superior he was to them. I did like how you mentioned that Asuma got tagged despite being ranked superior in speed to Hidan, the same as Kimimaro. You also mentioned how Asuma had backup which just makes Hidan's feat ever more impressive. While it is true Hidan stalemated Kakashi in a taijutsu fight, Hidan did have the far superior weapon so unless Kimi uses a kunai, that's not proof that Hidan will overwhelm Kimi. I'm not wholly convinced that Hidan is superior in taijutsu to Kimimaro but you did make a solid case for him being so.

2. It's nice how you countered madvictory's claim that Hidan will be too reckless especially when he can fight from mid range with his extendable scythe which is also unpredictable, which is what is needed to tag Kimimaro. I do agree that being crazy can be an advantage due to being aggressive which is a valid combat tactic to pressure your opponent. I highly doubt Kimimaro will fold to the pressure when Gaara's sand was harder to overcome and provided way more pressure than Hidan and his scythe. I'm not convinced that Hidan's scythe can chop Kimimaro to pieces and agree with madvictory's claim that Kimi can easily tank Hidan's scythe.

3. While I agree that Kimimaro's bone drill is primarily a stabbing weapon, you failed to convince me that it can't also slice the opponent after it has pierced through them. I do agree that tagging a mobile Hidan will be much harder than a stationary Gaara and that the weapon seems clumsy.

4. Scans would be nice but I agree that restraining a mobile Hidan will me much harder than restraining stationary Gaara. Getting blood from Kimimaro after he manipulates his bones is an excellent strategy which proves that Hidan doesn't need to pierce through Kimi's defences to win.

5. I agree that Kimimaro isn't too intelligent and won't figure out Hidan's ritual because he is nowhere near Shikamaru's level in intellect. I don't agree that Hidan can catch Kimimaro off guard considering how large his scythe is which is a huge giveaway because there is no way that weapon is silent by any means.

6. I guess Hidan's regeneration feats can help him out and repair his body from minor injuries.

7. I agree that Hidan will win if the fight prolongs and nice point in how Kimi will cough blood due to his illness.

X factor: I don't care about this. You didn't even reference where Kishimoto said that he gave Hidan those particular abilities.

madvictory's second post

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Counter to point 1
a. Considering AZ used databook stats to prove that Hidan and Kimi are near equals in intelligence, I guess he shot himself in the foot which allows madvictory to use the databook to prove that Kimimaro is faster which I agree with especially when CS1 comes into play. I don't see why comparing Kakashi with Hidan is such a big deal when Kakashi is on a whole other level of speed compared to Kimimaro as well. Not to mention Hidan fought the real Kakashi, he never used clones in the fight against Kakuzu and Hidan. You missed countering most of the points AZ brought up such as how Hidan managed to tag Asuma while fighting both Asuma and Shikamaru.

b. I agree ranks don't mean much but it is obvious that Asuma and Kakashi were above the versions of Naruto and Lee which Kimi fought.

c. I don't agree that part one Lee who just came out of the hospital is a better taijutsu user than Hidan. I do agree that drunk Lee is better but that doesn't mean Hidan can't land a hit on Kimi. I agree that because Hidan isn't a mere kid, Kimi would go all out instead of passively fight him like he did with Naruto and Lee.

d. You say Asuma never knew about Hidan's abilities but neither does Kimimaro so what's your point? You say Hidan couldn't get through Asuma's taijutsu defences but he did just that while dodging Shikamaru's shadows. You also say that Asuma is one of the worst jounin taijutsu users which is completely baseless and wrong. Asuma didn't have trouble keeping up with Kisame and even managed to make Kisame bleed.

Counter to point 2
I would like you bring in some scans to prove your point because I'm too lazy to read the arc. Regardless, Kimimaro is a taijutsu user while Shikamaru is a tricky shadow user so there is no comparison. Hidan can afford to fight aggressively with Kimimaro to try and overwhelm him in taijutsu whereas Shikamaru had various tricks/traps up his sleeve which meant that Hidan's aggressiveness would be his downfall.

Counter to point 3
I agree that huge holes in a person's body will end up splitting them in half and that the drill does make a huge hole provided Kimi can pierce deep enough to use the larger part of the drill to drill a hole in Hidan's torso. Still you didn't prove that Kimi would be able to tag Hidan with it considering you didn't counter AZ's point 4.

Counter to point 5
1. Actually the manga scan proves that Kimi bleeds. Hidan got Asuma's blood despite his speed advantage while Asuma failed to tag Kimi while avoiding Shikamaru's shadows so I don't see how your argument in Hidan not being able to tag Kimi while Kimi being able to tag Hidan holds.

2. Kimi has no idea on what the ritual does and does like to spectate how his opponent fights out of curiosity. Still due to Hidan being a maniac, I would assume Kimimaro would proceed with caution as opposed to blindly rush Hidan out of his ritual circle, which Asuma didn't choose to do either despite Asuma being fast himself. You didn't prove that Kimimaro would be able to hit Hidan deep enough with clematis flower to skewer his body into two pieces.

Counter to point 6
I'm pretty sure AZ was talking about ordinary attacks, not attacks that severe limbs. Regardless this only works if Kimi can hit Hidan deep enough with the bone drill.

Counter to point 7
You didn't counter the fact that Kimi can get outlasted due to sickness and that he'll eventually cough blood

Counter to point 8
I agree whole heartedly.

Absolute Zero's second post

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Refute speed claim: Still it doesn't prove that Hidan is faster than Kimimaro when Kimi gets a higher score as well as the ability to boost it with CS1. Once again scans would be nice.

Hidan's scythe: You didn't prove that the X factor is canon. Regardless, due to Hidan's scythe being huge and it being unpredictable, I agree Hidan can tag Kimi and take some blood eventually.

Subjective claims: For whatever reason you conceded to MV that Hidan fought a mere shadow clone. I do agree that Kakashi's speed and reactions were still top notch but Kakashi never tried blitzing Hidan, he was focussed on defending himself and he did that just fine. I do agree that Hidan has equal skill with his scythe that Kakashi has with a kunai as their clash seemed to be on par. I also agree that when Kakashi clashed Hidan, Kakuzu didn't get involved until after he decided to send off a mask to attack but that was after a good bit IIRC.

Rank does matter: Kimi didn't get wrecked by Gaara but Hidan would get wrecked so I don't get your point. Rank does matter but Kimi's feats and hype are easily jounin level.

Son of Prime Hiruzen: I agree that Asuma is fast and skilled in taijutsu.

Kimi is just as smart as Hidan: I agree that Kimi won't be able to figure out Hidan's ritual but I think Kimi is slightly smarter than Hidan which is backed up by the databook.

Hidan's personality: I agree that Hidan can still keep his cool when up against Kimi if he wants to and that even if he doesn't, it won't result in an advantage for Kimi.

Big Clemantis flower pike: I agree that it is much heavier than Hidan's scythe so Hidan will have an easier time landing a hit on Kimi than vice versa. I disagree that this weapon is useless because while its tip is small, as it pierces more and more deeper, the AoE of the puncture the drill makes increases and eventually the hole will be as large as Hidan's torso which will cause him to get split in two as his head and legs will no longer be attached as the torso will be gone.

Hidan will get Kimi's blood I agree Kimi bleeds and even the manga scan which MV posted supports your claim..

X factor matters: You said Kishi said so but where is the proof he said this?

madvictory's third post

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Taijutsu skill: While Kimimaro might be the more skilled taijutsu fighter, getting a drop of blood against another CQC fighter isn't too difficult for Hidan as shown with his fight with Asuma.

Speed: While Hidan is slower than Kimi, Hidan is still decently fast and your effort at refuting his speed feats wasn't very good as Hidan did react to Shikamaru's attacks but didn't know about Shikamaru's shadow shuriken possession technique and in the other instance, he was in midair where he couldn't dodge. You claimed Shikamaru was subduing Hidan in speed and reaction time but this wasn't the case as Shikamaru wasn't fighting in taijutsu but using his shadow possession. He only used shadow possession when he got the best opportunities.

Ranks: I do agree that ranks aren't everything but generally speaking, they dictate power levels/tiers but exceptions exist.

Subjective claims: I don't remember Kakashi using a raiton clone. I do agree that in the grand scheme of things, Hidan's feat isn't that amazing and doesn't necessarily mean he's better than Kimimaro. I do think you downplayed Kakashi's state and he was still capable of fighting just fine.

Curse Ritual: You pretty much admit that Kimi won't know about the curse ritual and what it entails. While Kimi could go in CS2, there is no proof he'd simply finish Hidan off whereas once Hidan gets Kimi's blood, finishing Kimi off isn't going to be too difficult especially when Kimi has no intel on the ritual.

Intelligence: You are right that Kimi doesn't need to be as intelligent as Shikamaru because he is more powerful and his fighting style doesn't revolve around intelligence. Regardless, it just means that Kimi won't be able to figure Hidan's secret out especially since Kimi doesn't witness Asuma's death at the hands of Hidan's ritual.

Getting Kimi's blood: At this point you are ignoring the blood that is released when Kimi manipulates his bones.

Absolute Zero's 3rd post

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Speed and taijutsu: You refuted madvictory's downplaying of Hidan's speed and taijutsu prowess very nicely.

X factor: You didn't provide proof where Kishi said Hidan has these tricks. I fully agree with MV, without evidence, your claim is baseless.

Bone Drill: I disagree with your claim of it being ineffective just because the point is tiny when in fact the scope of the attack increases as the drill goes in deeper.

Curse ritual: You proved that Hidan can get Kimi's blood and proved that the ritual can be completed like it was against Asuma.

Verdict

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Overall, I agree that Kimi's bone drill can decapitate Hidan but it is too heavy and its only feat was against Gaara who was stationary. Hidan should be able to get blood due to Kimimaro's sickness and his own manipulation causing him to bleed. No intel puts Kimimaro at a disadvantage so he'll fall victim to the ritual much like the smarter Asuma.

Absolute Zero won this debate in my eyes.

Advice to both debaters: Post more scans and learn to back up your claims with proof.

 

[GreenBeast14]

I have decided to judge this shit, nobody can tell me nothin'. U_U

Anyways, given the fact that Hidan is just a low tier Akatsuki fodder who brings shame to the organization, I would have to say that Orochimaru's highest ranking underling would pawn him in a fight. In terms of the points that both debaters brought up, Absolute Zero showed how shitty of a debater he is, and how much of a fodder his favorite character is. Maybe he should buy premium and change his name to Absolute Dipshit or Absolute Zero Intelligence. LOL. I don't think that I could have done a better job of making him look really, really bad even if I tried. Also it doesn't even matter that Hidan faced three adults as two of them were fodder. SRA Gaara would have one hell of an easier time trying to deal with Kotetsu and Izumo, and possibly even Asuma than he had trying to deal with a sick Kimimaro who nearly killed him. Hell, beans even had to restrict dance of the seedling fern, lmao smh. Also Hidan only matched Kakashi in combat speed, not shunshin speed. And I'm also pretty sure Kakashi was deliberately parrying Hidan's attacks since he had full intel on that satanic cult ritual shit, and did it with only a kunai smh.

Then we have this clown talking about Kimimaro being dumb. Hell, he was kind of an airhead for following and dedicating his life to Orochimaru but I don't blame him considering the way he grew up. But the guy showed against Lee and Gaara that he is far from absent minded. He's quite analytical in combat. Smh Hidan is a borderline retard, and we're talking about intelligence? LOL. The only reason this *****ass was added to the Akatsuki was because thread guy kept on killing his previous partners out of fits of rage. Lmao.

Madvictory gets my vote. His avatar is just too good for you clowns.

Lmao. IM DEAD as hell.

 

[DrProof]

Master AZ wrecked this dude.

 

[Apêx1]

AZ obviously won this and I only read a quarter of his first post.

 

[DrProof]

Lmao. IM DEAD as hell.

AZ obviously won this and I only read a quarter of his first post.

Fam you see Mad Victory had to use an alt to laugh/bump @ Kages shitty ass non valid judgement. He takes the L.

 

[Apêx1]

Fam you see Mad Victory had to use an alt to laugh/bump @ Kages shitty ass non valid judgement. He takes the L.

Lmao, that guy

 

[Lariatoo]

The hell did I just read? XD XD

 

[GreenBeast14]

Fam you see Mad Victory had to use an alt to laugh/bump @ Kages shitty ass non valid judgement. He takes the L.

You calling me madvictory?

 

[GreenBeast14]

Fam you see Mad Victory had to use an alt to laugh/bump @ Kages shitty ass non valid judgement. He takes the L.

"Absolute Zero showed how shitty of a debater he is, and how much of a fodder his favorite character is. Maybe he should buy premium and change his name to Absolute Dipshit or Absolute Zero Intelligence." this is what i was laughing at..... Get a life.

 

[New Dawn]

"Absolute Zero showed how shitty of a debater he is, and how much of a fodder his favorite character is. Maybe he should buy premium and change his name to Absolute Dipshit or Absolute Zero Intelligence." this is what i was laughing at..... Get a life.

Mugen is also known as king Dumbass. So he has zero intelligence. Lol

 

[Beans2]

You calling me madvictory?

Both you and madvictory spam the VS section with shitty matchups so yes the resemblance is quite uncanny.