Sage mode naruto vs Raikage A(4th Raiakge)

[GreenBeast14]

Sage mode naruto vs Raikage A(4th Raiakge)
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Location: grassy field
Starting distance: 30m

 

[ARGUS]

Ay wins this,
once he goes V2, naruto has no chance in landing a single hit on him,, as Ay proceeds to beat the shit out of naruto and all of his clones

blind madaras shunshin was enough to pressure naruto, let alone V2 Ays, naruto gets blitzed with no reaction whatsoever

 

[Rιver]

Ay wins this,
once he goes V2, naruto has no chance in landing a single hit on him,, as Ay proceeds to beat the shit out of naruto and all of his clones

blind madaras shunshin was enough to pressure naruto, let alone V2 Ays, naruto gets blitzed with no reaction whatsoever

HM Naruto has better durability than KM Naruto

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, so Naruto sure as hell wouldn't be affected by E's hit. And then there's the fact that

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, so once Naruto grabs him he gets decimated by Kawazu Kumite or a single punch.

Madara's Shunshin is faster than V2 E. E literally had to lighten himself to be of any relevance against Edo Madara, and alive Madara is much faster. And Naruto even

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[Haizaki]

HM Naruto has better durability than KM Naruto

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, so Naruto sure as hell wouldn't be affected by E's hit. And then there's the fact that

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, so once Naruto grabs him he gets decimated by Kawazu Kumite or a single punch.

What..?

- HM having better reflexes than KM is pure nonsense. HM's feat is him reacting to the Third while KM's best feat is him reacting to the fastest attack from the fastest man at that point. How can one use this comparison?

- Durability? Blind Madara sent SM Naruto flying to the ground and he's physically weaker than Ay. Why exactly is HM more durable? When KM protected Naruto from the tenpechii? Something that led Madara to use V3 to protect himself? Something that he thought could wipe the whole Alliance even with their cloak.

Madara's Shunshin is faster than V2 E. E literally had to lighten himself to be of any relevance against Edo Madara, and alive Madara is much faster. And Naruto even

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No...There's no way Base Madara's Shunshin is faster that of V2 Ay. Best feat is him blitzing SM Naruto and Sai...What led to you to make that conclusion?

Just saw Naruto blocked it so Blind Madara's best feat is him blitzing Sai which led you to conclude he's faster than V2 Ay's top speed? Intelligent.

 

[Apêx1]

HM Naruto has better durability than KM Naruto

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, so Naruto sure as hell wouldn't be affected by E's hit. And then there's the fact that

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, so once Naruto grabs him he gets decimated by Kawazu Kumite or a single punch.

Madara's Shunshin is faster than V2 E. E literally had to lighten himself to be of any relevance against Edo Madara, and alive Madara is much faster. And Naruto even

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@bold, proof that it's even close to as durable as KCM Naruto? The same Naruto that got kicked in the face by a Jinchuriki [

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] and sent through a forest despite Bee trying to stop his momentum? No feats to prove that, so Ay still smashes him with his punches. Ay has already put a hole in a Senjutsu user like CM Juugo. Naruto's fate won't differ.

Lol, Ay was deflecting Sasuke's sword with his v1 shroud. Chidori barely even pierced him in his v1 shroud. Naruto would have to be dreaming to think his Kumite could actually even damage Ay. Naruto isn't doing jack to Ay in CQC, not to mention if v2 is activated then Naruto dies by Shunshin blitz that you have no proof he can react to.

Based on what? Obviously Madara can react to his blitzes given his Sharingan and reaction speed. Fact remains that Ay barely even used v2 in the Madara fight, and would in fact be faster then Madara with a v2 shunshin race. Not to mention, Naruto blocked based on what? Madara merely sent him flying back, Ay with intent to kill smashes his skull in.

 

[Zexion~]

I mean, only chance SM Naruto has is straight out-smarting him ending in a surprise FRS. Or if he uses it on V1 from a closer range before he gets wrecked. When he's in V2 Naruto stands no chance really though.

 

[Rιver]

What..?

- HM having better reflexes than KM is pure nonsense. HM's feat is him reacting to the Third while KM's best feat is him reacting to the fastest attack from the fastest man at that point. How can one use this comparison?

- Durability? Blind Madara sent SM Naruto flying to the ground and he's physically weaker than Ay. Why exactly is HM more durable? When KM protected Naruto from the tenpechii? Something that led Madara to use V3 to protect himself? Something that he thought could wipe the whole Alliance even with their cloak.

1. Naruto clearly said in that scan HM has better sensing, and there's the fact that HM has superior sensing skills. No need to debate further on that subject.

2. Nothing suggests he is physically weaker than E, in fact the opposite. He broke the gates with his pure chakra and strength

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. E's punch didn't even put down KM Naruto who got manhandled by Obito.

3. Do I really need to explain why HM is more durable? KM Naruto

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by Obito in CQC, HM has this

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. No debate here.

No...There's no way Base Madara's Shunshin is faster that of V2 Ay. Best feat is him blitzing SM Naruto and Sai...What led to you to make that conclusion?

Just saw Naruto blocked it so Blind Madara's best feat is him blitzing Sai which led you to conclude he's faster than V2 Ay's top speed? Intelligent.

Hashirama who was on par with Madara in terms of speed put massive distance to him and Madara with just his footspeed alone

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. Then he reacted to his Bijuu Dama with a summoning

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. And then there's the fact that Edo Madara saw through his attack when he was distracted

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. Madara is faster.

@bold, proof that it's even close to as durable as KCM Naruto? The same Naruto that got kicked in the face by a Jinchuriki [

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] and sent through a forest despite Bee trying to stop his momentum? No feats to prove that, so Ay still smashes him with his punches. Ay has already put a hole in a Senjutsu user like CM Juugo. Naruto's fate won't differ.

Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger, if you use Jinchuriki state (V1, V2) then we can talk. KM Naruto is durable, but using that logic is like using

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for Karin and claiming her top tier. Because since when has he even taken piercing damage? Obito killed his clone with a fan.

Lol, Ay was deflecting Sasuke's sword with his v1 shroud. Chidori barely even pierced him in his v1 shroud. Naruto would have to be dreaming to think his Kumite could actually even damage Ay. Naruto isn't doing jack to Ay in CQC, not to mention if v2 is activated then Naruto dies by Shunshin blitz that you have no proof he can react to.

Smh, piercing damage =/= blunt force. You can break Naruto's neck in HM but you can't really pierce him. Also goes vice versa. Different feats. Big difference. And if you can prove E being faster than Madara, then we can talk.

Kawazu Kumite ends E's life. And if not that, Naruto beats him to dust.

Based on what? Obviously Madara can react to his blitzes given his Sharingan and reaction speed. Fact remains that Ay barely even used v2 in the Madara fight, and would in fact be faster then Madara with a v2 shunshin race. Not to mention, Naruto blocked based on what? Madara merely sent him flying back, Ay with intent to kill smashes his skull in.

Smh, again. Look at the scan clearly this time. Naruto clearly blocked the attack, and you can see him having his hands up. Madara just had enough force to knock him back.

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[ARGUS]

HM Naruto has better durability than KM Naruto

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, so Naruto sure as hell wouldn't be affected by E's hit.

Wrong, he didnt take the hit, he blocked it, big difference
what shits on your whole argument even worse is right at the next page where

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as for the bold Lol thats just a mere assertion on your behalf with no valid proof,

And then there's the fact that

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,

Uhhh wrong again,
SM has better sensing than KCM, not reactions, again, theres a huge difference
KCM naruto managed to react to Juubitos attack and in once instance, reacted better than even KCM minato, did
whilst SM naruto needed his top precognition/sensing to react to third raikages speed, and was nearly blitzed by blind madara,

so once Naruto grabs him he gets decimated by Kawazu Kumite or a single punch.

Lol no he doesnt,
he gets blitzed and beaten to a pulp, let alone grab him and ''decimate'' him with one punch,
frog kata is never ever even landing when naruto wont have a clue on ays location and would always get hit before ay does due to the astronomical gap betweeen their reactions

Madara's Shunshin is faster than V2 E. E literally had to lighten himself to be of any relevance against Edo Madara, and alive Madara is much faster.

am i even supposed to take you seriously here?
Lol V1 Ay managed to tag madara and gain his respect regarding his speed,

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as madara only looked towards Ay after his susanoo was cracked,
and this is from an attack that required Ays arm to be heavier,

so No,

And Naruto even

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he blocked his attack but doesnt change the fact how much he was pressured by madaras speed,
as far as feats are concerned and as far as the manga is concerned
V2 Ay >>> Blind madaras shunshin,
so naruto gets blitzed with no reaction when a shunshin far slower was too fast for him

Edit: Lol Apex and Haizaki were extremely quick to respond to this nonsense

 

[Zexion~]

1. Naruto clearly said in that scan HM has better sensing, and there's the fact that HM has superior sensing skills. No need to debate further on that subject.

2. Nothing suggests he is physically weaker than E, in fact the opposite. He broke the gates with his pure chakra and strength

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. E's punch didn't even put down KM Naruto who got manhandled by Obito.

3. Do I really need to explain why HM is more durable? KM Naruto

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by Obito in CQC, HM has this

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. No debate here.



Hashirama who was on par with Madara in terms of speed put massive distance to him and Madara with just his footspeed alone

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. Then he reacted to his Bijuu Dama with a summoning

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. And then there's the fact that Edo Madara saw through his attack when he was distracted

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. Madara is faster.



Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger, if you use Jinchuriki state (V1, V2) then we can talk. KM Naruto is durable, but using that logic is like using

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for Karin and claiming her top tier. Because since when has he even taken piercing damage? Obito killed his clone with a fan.



Smh, piercing damage =/= blunt force. You can break Naruto's neck in HM but you can't really pierce him. Also goes vice versa. Different feats. Big difference. And if you can prove E being faster than Madara, then we can talk.

Kawazu Kumite ends E's life. And if not that, Naruto beats him to dust.



Smh, again. Look at the scan clearly this time. Naruto clearly blocked the attack, and you can see him having his hands up. Madara just had enough force to knock him back.

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:lol Madara's Fan >>>>> Chakra rods.

 

[Rιver]

Wrong, he didnt take the hit, he blocked it, big difference
what shits on your whole argument even worse is right at the next page where

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as for the bold Lol thats just a mere assertion on your behalf with no valid proof,

I hope you're not using this to prove as to how E knocks out HM Naruto.

Uhhh wrong again,
SM has better sensing than KCM, not reactions, again, theres a huge difference
KCM naruto managed to react to Juubitos attack and in once instance, reacted better than even KCM minato, did
whilst SM naruto needed his top precognition/sensing to react to third raikages speed, and was nearly blitzed by blind madara,

Lmao, when has Naruto ever in KM reacted to his Shunshin? I'm waiting for this.

Meaning better reactions... lmao.

Lol no he doesnt,
he gets blitzed and beaten to a pulp, let alone grab him and ''decimate'' him with one punch,
frog kata is never ever even landing when naruto wont have a clue on ays location and would always get hit before ay does due to the astronomical gap betweeen their reactions

Waiting for proof for the bold, lol.

am i even supposed to take you seriously here?
Lol V1 Ay managed to tag madara and gain his respect regarding his speed,

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as madara only looked towards Ay after his susanoo was cracked,
and this is from an attack that required Ays arm to be heavier,

so No,

Even though Kabuto in Muu's body

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? And he didn't blitz Madara, and as you said needed to lighten himself to be relevant. Moot point.

he blocked his attack but doesnt change the fact how much he was pressured by madaras speed,
as far as feats are concerned and as far as the manga is concerned
V2 Ay >>> Blind madaras shunshin,
so naruto gets blitzed with no reaction when a shunshin far slower was too fast for him

Edit: Lol Apex and Haizaki were extremely quick to respond to this nonsense

No one said he was as fast, only could react. Difference here is, Madara is faster than E and Naruto is stronger than E. He grabs him and beats him.

:lol Madara's Fan >>>>> Chakra rods.

Since when has this been the case?

 

[Apêx1]

Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger, if you use Jinchuriki state (V1, V2) then we can talk. KM Naruto is durable, but using that logic is like using

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for Karin and claiming her top tier. Because since when has he even taken piercing damage? Obito killed his clone with a fan.

Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger. Being the Jinchuriki whose Bijuu's steam ability allows him to increase his attacking force definitely does make his kicks stronger. He increases the pressure of his kicks through the stream/boil release, hence Naruto was sent flying back when even Ay couldn't send him like that. And mind you, he went that far despite Bee's tentacle reducing the momentum.
And the Karin comparison was horrendous. Karin was practically gone with all the

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after a simple kick from a low-strength fighter. So no, you can't compare falling damage to a massively powerful kick to the face damage, they are completely different. Completely. And good for Obito, it doesn't take away from this feat, so KCM is still >HM durability.

Smh, piercing damage =/= blunt force. You can break Naruto's neck in HM but you can't really pierce him. Also goes vice versa. Different feats. Big difference. And if you can prove E being faster than Madara, then we can talk.

Kawazu Kumite ends E's life. And if not that, Naruto beats him to dust.

Based on what? If anything, piercing damage has ALWAYS been superior in Naruto. You can tank your TBB but you will get cut by a shuriken. Oro can taken KN43/4's punch but he'll still lose his arm to Itachi's kunai. So your point is moot since piercing damage>Blunt force. Not to mention Ay can use his shroud to make a penetrative lateral chop that cracked ribcage Susano which is >>>Naruto's HM durability.

Why would I need to prove Madara is slower then Ay when Madara has no feats speed-wise to compare to Ay's v2 shunshin dodging Amatertasu/almost blitzing Minato/fastest guy on the planet, etc. If anything, YOU need to prove Madara is faster. Don't appeal to ignorance.

Smh, again. Look at the scan clearly this time. Naruto clearly blocked the attack, and you can see him having his hands up. Madara just had enough force to knock him back.

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Lol, that weakling got sent flying that far after blocking? So much for crazy strength, Ay would send his HM ass back to the safari.

 

[Apêx1]

Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger, if you use Jinchuriki state (V1, V2) then we can talk. KM Naruto is durable, but using that logic is like using

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for Karin and claiming her top tier. Because since when has he even taken piercing damage? Obito killed his clone with a fan.

Being a Jinchuriki doesn't make your kicks stronger. Being the Jinchuriki whose Bijuu's steam ability allows him to increase his attacking force definitely does make his kicks stronger. He increases the pressure of his kicks through the stream/boil release, hence Naruto was sent flying back when even Ay couldn't send him like that. And mind you, he went that far despite Bee's tentacle reducing the momentum.
And the Karin comparison was horrendous. Karin was practically gone with all the

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after a simple kick from a low-strength fighter. So no, you can't compare falling damage to a massively powerful kick to the face damage, they are completely different. Completely. And good for Obito, it doesn't take away from this feat, so KCM is still >HM durability.

Smh, piercing damage =/= blunt force. You can break Naruto's neck in HM but you can't really pierce him. Also goes vice versa. Different feats. Big difference. And if you can prove E being faster than Madara, then we can talk.

Kawazu Kumite ends E's life. And if not that, Naruto beats him to dust.

Based on what? If anything, piercing damage has ALWAYS been superior in Naruto. You can tank your TBB but you will get cut by a shuriken. Oro can taken KN43/4's punch but he'll still lose his arm to Itachi's kunai. So your point is moot since piercing damage>Blunt force. Not to mention Ay can use his shroud to make a penetrative lateral chop that cracked ribcage Susano which is >>>Naruto's HM durability.

Why would I need to prove Madara is slower then Ay when Madara has no feats speed-wise to compare to Ay's v2 shunshin dodging Amatertasu/almost blitzing Minato/fastest guy on the planet, etc. If anything, YOU need to prove Madara is faster. Don't appeal to ignorance.

Smh, again. Look at the scan clearly this time. Naruto clearly blocked the attack, and you can see him having his hands up. Madara just had enough force to knock him back.

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Lol, that weakling got sent flying that far after blocking? So much for crazy strength, Ay would send his HM ass back to the safari.

 

[Zexion~]

@River- Since it was made from a spiritual tree and is used as both a shield and offensive weapon by Madara .-. Plus it attacks in a different manor and is just naturally larger and harder than a chakra rod.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto wins. Ei speed is being overrated here as it is all ways is. There are some people that would argue that V2 Ei is as fast as 7th gate Gai lmao.​

 

[ARGUS]

I hope you're not using this to prove as to how E knocks out HM Naruto.

uhh like Apex said, blind madara sent naruto flying despite the fact that naruto actually blocked his hit
Ays hit that KCM naruto blocked sent him meters away

now we have naruto unable to block Ays attack which has actuallly more power than madaras
naruto either gets his brains smashed or ends up getting cut in half

Lmao, when has Naruto ever in KM reacted to his Shunshin? I'm waiting for this.

uhh i never said that he reacted to juubitos shunshin, i said that

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Meaning better reactions... lmao.

uhh noo it doesnt,
sensing =/= reactions i dont know why you think they are the same,
thhey may be proportional to each other but no way in hell are SM narutos and KCM narutos reactions the same,

Karin is a fantastic sensor yet are you going to jump to the conclusion that she has superior reactions to Ay? especially when she got her shit wrecked by danzos kick

Waiting for proof for the bold, lol.

Uhhh what more proof do you need,
Lightened V1 Ay (equivalent to V2 Ay) against Madara

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Madara against SM naruto,

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Even though Kabuto in Muu's body

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?

Uhh No he didnt,
he noticed Onoki lighten Ays body, as Muu was shit blitzed the next second,

And he didn't blitz Madara, and as you said needed to lighten himself to be relevant. Moot point.

uhh what?, the dudes eyes couldnt even see Ay behind him, till he used aggravated rock fist to wreck his susanoo
and Lol what? he was lightened but he was still in V1, lightened V1 Ay is more oor less V2 Ay so NO, its not a moot point,

so far your argument involves SM naruto reacting to Ay and attacking him when he canonically struggled against much slower speeds,
and you are just denying any evidence provided against you

No one said he was as fast, only could react. Difference here is, Madara is faster than E

Denial again, when its clear as day he isnt

and Naruto is stronger than E. He grabs him and beats him.

Uhh denial on your behalf yet again,
he was sent flying by madaras attack who is physically weaker, despite the fact that naruto actually blocked it,
Ay hits him head on and naruto gets wrecked,

and how the hell does naruto even grab Ay? no such evidence points to this

 

[EZQ]

HM Naruto has better durability than KM Naruto

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, so Naruto sure as hell wouldn't be affected by E's hit. And then there's the fact that

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, so once Naruto grabs him he gets decimated by Kawazu Kumite or a single punch.

Madara's Shunshin is faster than V2 E. E literally had to lighten himself to be of any relevance against Edo Madara, and alive Madara is much faster. And Naruto even

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@bold: wow

OT: war arc SM Naruto wins. Pain arc SM Naruto loses

 

[TRE MERCER]

@Kifflom... Words speak louder than dislikes..... Drops Mic.​

 

[ARGUS]

@Kifflom... Words speak louder than dislikes..... Drops Mic.​

i have already said my words,
the diislikes are just there to show my disgust

 

[TRE MERCER]

i have already said my words,
the diislikes are just there to show my disgust

This implies SM Naruto which means Naruto starts in SM. Clones will be deployed before Ei can go into v2 and then try and blitz. Ei is going to power up and one shot Naruto all before he can do this?(

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). Once the clones come out it's end game for Ei.​

 

[Lariatoo]

@bold: wow

OT: war arc SM Naruto wins. Pain arc SM Naruto loses

Came here to say that.