[Taijutsu] Tsunade vs. Gai

[V h o]

What moves can base gai even do again?

 

[KidGamer65]

Tsunade pulled Orochimaru to her and then hit him while Naruto just him back.

And then when your scale up her part 1 attack because she was rusty what do you get?

Irrelevant. Her hitting him back was still weaker than Naruto did, and pulling him forward isn't going to make that weaker.

Define "rusty" in the context of Tsunade's state in Part 1. Cause that'd just imply that her skills were inferior. They might've said something about it in the Manga but I can't remember.

 

[KingHashirama]

What moves can base gai even do again?

God-tier blitz, and God-tier reflexes.

 

[Mihael Keehl]

Irrelevant. Her hitting him back was still weaker than Naruto did, and pulling him forward isn't going to make that weaker.

Define "rusty" in the context of Tsunade's state in Part 1. Cause that'd just imply that her skills were inferior. They might've said something about it in the Manga but I can't remember.

It doesn't really matter in the bigger picture because even if she was rusty, the third databook came out like Post Itachi vs. Sasuke, so she had her 3 years of training and time to get back into shape before Kishimoto rated.

 

[KingHashirama]

It doesn't really matter in the bigger picture because even if she was rusty, the third databook came out like Post Itachi vs. Sasuke, so she had her 3 years of training and time to get back into shape before Kishimoto rated.

She didn't fight from part 1 till war arc.

 

[RedRobin]

Irrelevant. Her hitting him back was still weaker than Naruto did, and pulling him forward isn't going to make that weaker.

Define "rusty" in the context of Tsunade's state in Part 1. Cause that'd just imply that her skills were inferior. They might've said something about it in the Manga but I can't remember.

How is it irrelevant?

Tsunade pulled Orochimaru up towards her and then hit him back down. There was already a force coming towards her.

Naruto jumped forward and hit Orochimaru back. All the force is going into the hit.

Her whole body was rusty. She hadnt fought in 20+ years. She lost her breathe very quickly when chasing after Orochimaru meaning her body was just not in fighting condition.

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[Apêx1]

Never stated she was better than Gai. Never once stated that.

She was cut in half and survived and was able to summon a large portion of Katsuyu. She was then able to live through the process of healing the Kages which Katsuyu used her chakra for, let me remind you that she was still cut in half during this time.

Her chakra was used to heal the shinobi village. Then after giving all her chakra away she dashed to the epicenter of where CST hit.

You argued in the beginning that Tsunade would win:

Gai is faster in base for sure but they both have a 5 in taijustu skill. Tsunade can most definitely take a base Gai attack while Gai cant take a Base Tsunade attack. Basically no way Gai dodges everything especially when they are fighting right in front of each other.

You clearly stated Gai can't dodge everything and thus would eventually get hit by Tsunade's punch, which you also claim would kill him. So you clearly meant to say she is>Gai. You also stated she's superior stamina wise to FT, which I debunked.

Is this supposed to suggest her chakra>Gai's? Because I still don't see it, and I have implicatively shown you why Gai is far superior in stamina. You bringing me her feats isn't going to change my opinion, as I already know her feats.

And? She healed the whole village. Cool stuff. Since when did healing take a tremendous amount of chakra? Once again, I suggest you understand the stuff I told you before and forget your little feats. Gai was using 7th Gate with barely any signs of exhaustion towards the end of the manga. He has improved his physical energy just as much, if not more, meaning he still has far more stamina as he was at a 5 stamina while Tsunade started at a 4. She'd need to approach Gai before she wants to surpass him, but how can she surpass him when he trains much harder then her? Inb4 more stamina feats smh.

 

[Mihael Keehl]

She didn't fight from part 1 till war arc.

Yeah, but the author made a point to rate her current character after the 3 year time-skip, so that rating includes her not being rusty.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is it irrelevant?

Tsunade pulled Orochimaru up towards her and then hit him back down. There was already a force coming towards her.

Naruto jumped forward and hit Orochimaru back. All the force is going into the hit.

She's in control of how fast Oro comes at her, and she had gravity working with her there. Then there's the fact that her almost out of chakra doesn't mean that she didn't use CES here. All that means is that her last attack used up the rest of her power.

Her whole body was rusty. She hadnt fought in 20+ years. She lost her breathe very quickly when chasing after Orochimaru meaning her body was just not in fighting condition.

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Where did that happen?

 

[RedRobin]

You argued in the beginning that Tsunade would win:


You clearly stated Gai can't dodge everything and thus would eventually get hit by Tsunade's punch, which you also claim would kill him. So you clearly meant to say she is>Gai. You also stated she's superior stamina wise to FT, which I debunked.

Is this supposed to suggest her chakra>Gai's? Because I still don't see it, and I have implicatively shown you why Gai is far superior in stamina. You bringing me her feats isn't going to change my opinion, as I already know her feats.

And? She healed the whole village. Cool stuff. Since when did healing take a tremendous amount of chakra? Once again, I suggest you understand the stuff I told you before and forget your little feats. Gai was using 7th Gate with barely any signs of exhaustion towards the end of the manga. He has improved his physical energy just as much, if not more, meaning he still has far more stamina as he was at a 5 stamina while Tsunade started at a 4. She'd need to approach Gai before she wants to surpass him, but how can she surpass him when he trains much harder then her? Inb4 more stamina feats smh.

I argued she wouldnt be destroyed in CQC which would lead to her eventually getting a hit in.

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Since forever bro. Healing has always taken loads of chakra.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah, but the author made a point to rate her current character after the 3 year time-skip, so that rating includes her not being rusty.

nooope. Her points are based on her past performance mate. Hes going to use stuff the reader hasn't seen to make a point from ??

Sorry but throughout the entire shippuden that the 3rd databook is made of, she did not fight even once.

 

[Horus]

How is it irrelevant?

Tsunade pulled Orochimaru up towards her and then hit him back down. There was already a force coming towards her.

Naruto jumped forward and hit Orochimaru back. All the force is going into the hit.

Her whole body was rusty. She hadnt fought in 20+ years. She lost her breathe very quickly when chasing after Orochimaru meaning her body was just not in fighting condition.

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To add to this, Tsunade didn't sleep for a week

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[RedRobin]

She's in control of how fast Oro comes at her, and she had gravity working with her there. Then there's the fact that her almost out of chakra doesn't mean that she didn't use CES here. All that means is that her last attack used up the rest of her power.

But force is still coming towards her, it doesnt matter if she is controlling how fast he comes in. Naruto added force to his attack while Tsunade had force coming towards her.

She had just lifted Bunta's sword, I would assume she used the last of her chakra there but true we dont know. But seeing as how we both agreed she had raw strength I would say thats the situation that showed it.

Where did that happen?

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[Mihael Keehl]

nooope. Her points are based on her past performance mate.

Several shinobi who had no performance whatsoever since Orochimaru's fight (war against Konoha) had stats that went up as well.
The databook gives the most accurate rating at the time.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

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Yet you have people like Temari, who just like Tsunade, hasn't shown any feats until after DB3 has been released; but still shown progression between DB2 & DB3 stats. And I'm sure I could make example of others if I really sat and thought about it. "Past performances" doesn't imply cannon feats only, as you also got people like Rock Lee, who's DB1 cannon feats far surpasses his DB3 cannon feats, despite the obvious stat score progression between the two. So it can't be based on solely cannon performances.

 

[KingHashirama]

Several shinobi who had no performance whatsoever since Orochimaru's fight (war against Konoha) had stats that went up as well.
The databook gives the most accurate rating at the time.

like who? .

 

[Apêx1]

I argued she wouldnt be destroyed in CQC which would lead to her eventually getting a hit in.

But you JUST stated that you weren't arguing for Tsunade winning, but for Tsunade not getting stomped? You are clearly a contradictory machine, as it's all you seem to be doing.

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Since forever bro. Healing has always taken loads of chakra.

Yea, that's why Sakura was capable of healing herself on the brink of death against Sasori. That was literally the only time it was ever shown to be chakra taxing, it was clearly rectified since then.

 

[RedRobin]

Yet you have people like Temari, who just like Tsunade, hasn't shown any feats until after DB3 has been released; but still shown progression between DB2 & DB3 stats. And I'm sure I could make example of others if I really sat and thought about it. "Past performances" doesn't imply cannon feats only, as you also got people like Rock Lee, who's DB1 cannon feats far surpasses his DB3 cannon feats, despite the obvious stat score progression between the two. So it can't be based on solely cannon performances.

That was Tsunade's first and only chart. There was nothing else to work with, no progress to show.

Simply fact of Temari going from Gennin to Jounin shows her stats should move up, its only logical for her new progress chart to have been updated farther passed her old one.

Tsunade did not have an old one.

 

[Icelerate]

Yet you have people like Temari, who just like Tsunade, hasn't shown any feats until after DB3 has been released; but still shown progression between DB2 & DB3 stats. And I'm sure I could make example of others if I really sat and thought about it. "Past performances" doesn't imply cannon feats only, as you also got people like Rock Lee, who's DB1 cannon feats far surpasses his DB3 cannon feats, despite the obvious stat score progression between the two. So it can't be based on solely cannon performances.

Then there is also the fact that Tsunade was getting outsped by part one Kabuto who had a 3.5 in speed despite her databook 3 also giving her a 3.5 in speed. This means that rusty part one Tsunade is below her databook 3 score she was given so just because she didn't gain any additional feats doesn't mean the stat referred to her state in part one.

 

[RedRobin]

Then there is also the fact that Tsunade was getting outsped by part one Kabuto who had a 3.5 in speed despite her databook 3 also giving her a 3.5 in speed. This means that rusty part one Tsunade is below her databook 3 score she was given so just because she didn't gain any additional feats doesn't mean the stat referred to her state in part one.

Tsunade also blitzed someone with a 4 in speed. Point?