Spiral Zetsu vs Orochimaru

[AizenSosuke]

Spiral Zetsu wins mid-diff.

 

[Apêx1]

Zetsu's regeneration only grants nigh-instantaneous healing to puncture wounds and cuts, it won't actually help him against something that would do damage on SZ's SS level. Eventually Oro will be flattened and that'd be the end of it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hmm, but he did show good speed feats. I watched the anime though

Anime isn't canon bruh. He showed no speed feat in the Manga that'd be impressive here against KN4.

Oro was self aware within Kabuto. The poison came from the belly snake of Kabuto and after Oro came back he absorbed all those powers. He would have the poison by default or he could simply re-make the poison by the knowledge obtained from Kabuto.

That doesn't even make sense. Orochimaru being self aware in Kabuto doesn't mean that he has all of Kabuto's equipment or abilities. Where did youe ven get the bold from anyway? He took his chakra from Kabuto, and even then he didn't get all of it. That's it. Not sure where you are getting abilities from, but it wasn't in the Manga. Why are you even mentioning the option to remake the poison when he's in the middle of a battle.

Physical attacks won't work,

Wrong.

Oro would simply shed his skin instantly.

Shedding his skin is impossible when he's been:

-Ripped apart by Mokuton tendrils.
-Squished by Shinsuusenju.

Even if he does, Zetsu just keeps hammering him because at the end of the day, Orochimaru can't stop it.

Moreover the SS is a huge target. It's raw power would get defeated by Oro's speed and agility. Skill > Power. SS's punches will do zero damage cause Oro has many escape techniques and is a small target. If he was a huge target like Madara's Susanoo, then it's a different story.

Skill>Power is an irrelevant claim. It being a huge target is irrelevant. The bold is a claim you've yet to prove. Just like everything you've said the past 2 posts. Please get me those speed feats and then we can talk about him evading Shinsuusenju's punches with ease. Orochimaru has Mayfly. That's his only escape technique. What's he gonna do? "Escape" the whole entire battle? Smh. Let's be serious.

Except that Oro is not a generic white zetsu.

When it comes to Mokuton he might as well be.

His experience and overall knowledge would give him better Mokuton skills.

Yet another claim that:

-Makes zero sense.
-You can't prove.

Knowing about Mokuton isn't going to change the fact that his Mokuton will be fodder level. Not sure why you are mentioning experience of all things when he has zero experience wielding any type of Mokuton in combat.

Oro can himself bite him (He did it after all in the manga) to do so.

Smh. Yes, he was able to do so after Karin and Suigetsu literally set everything up for his attack. They aren't here, so what he did in the Manga with their help is irrelevant.

 

[Draegod]

You literally did not answer or address a word of anything I posted. The only thing even close to a rebuttal was the stuff I left unmarked, and even that was a weak counter. Juubi being a living structure is irrelevant. Juubi being a living structure while the other is made of the very material he is trying to channel only helps my point, not yours. Then there's the fact that Hashirama has spawned other Mokuton Jutsu from wood used to make his previous Mokuton in canon. Did it when he used Hobi to block BD and then used Hotei from Hobi to catch Madara's PS blade. Did it to form Mokujin from his branches when he needed to catch Bijuu Dama. So SZ easily does the same thing here and Orochimaru gets skewed. It's really that simple. Not even sure what the hell you are talking about with the bold.

Then there's the fact that once he merges with it, what does he do then? Hide from Zetsu for the rest of the fight? Cause if he emerges, Zetsu takes him out by using Moku Bunshin (or Zetsu clones of his own) and Sashiki till he decides to just bend over and give up. Or he can do

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and literally rip Orochimaru's body apart.

Orochimaru winning because of Mayfly alone makes zero sense. Give a real explanation this time and maybe I'll agree with you.

lmao Trust me I'm the reason you even know half the shit on SZY (because of my past debates info that no user has ever stated) so Please don't try to use it against me when i know more on him then you. You dont get that he can literally mayflower behind or escape at will every jutsu that would be used against him. He not only has Better reaction feats, speed, strength, and durability/loop holes then SZY, but he would know everything you are spitting and never get caught off guard. When he for a fact was already cannon able to catch SZY off guard and CM him. With Hashi poison it's instant GG.

He will use SZY mokuton against him creating openings and such. Nothing You listed would ever work against some on who has better feats then him and has cannoly already tagged him. And before "he had a team", Oru can create a Team instantly to help so please come with better shit I haven't already used and gave the site.

 

[Draegod]

Why are you comparing KN4 to this?

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What's worse is that having a Zetsu body doesn't increase his "regenerative" abilities, if that's what you want to call them. It'll only increase his chakra and give him Zetsu abilities, but by how much is unknown.

Then there's the fact that the DB states SZ can use Mokujin.

Lmao What? it's databook fact He Regen is affected thanks to his new body. Plus it's databook fact Oru can as well (he also being a Zetsu).

 

[KidGamer65]

lmao Trust me I'm the reason you even know half the shit on SZY (because of my past debates info that no user has ever stated) so Please don't try to use it against me when i know more on him then you. You dont get that he can literally mayflower behind or escape at will every jutsu that would be used against him. He not only has Better reaction feats, speed, strength, and durability/loop holes then SZY, but he would know everything you are spitting and never get caught off guard. When he for a fact was already cannon able to catch SZY off guard and CM him.

@bold: Guess how many fucks I would give even if I had ever seen you debate with Spiral Zetsu? My info comes from the Manga. Plain and simple.

Anyway, 2 posts in and you can't even provide a real argument. Please don't reply if you are just going to waste my time. Having better reaction feats, speed, strength and durability than Spiral Zetsu is completely irrelevant when Spiral Zetsu trumps him for reasons that have literally jack shit to do with his own physical abilities.

He can mayfly away from SS's barrage of punches. Yes. But:

-He can't run away the whole fight.
-Mokuton sprouts from underground. All he needs to do is use it at the spot where Orochimaru is merging with the ground before he has fully gone under and he gets hit.

With Karin and Suigetsu's help he was able to catch SZ off guard and hit him with the Curse Mark. Let's not ignore that fact.

With Hashi poison it's instant GG.

Unless his summons ever make it past the Mokuton constructs, it's not GG. Not even close.

He will use SZY mokuton against him creating openings and such.

How? Because I don't care for this vague shit you call an argument.

Nothing You listed would ever work against some on who has better feats then him and has cannoly already tagged him.

You sound dumb considering he had Taka and the element of surprise working with him. What's hilarious is that you think Orochimaru has better feats than SZ. Lmao. Got any more jokes under your belt?

And before "he had a team", Oru can create a Team instantly to help so please come with better shit I haven't already used and gave the site.

You sound extra dumb here since his clones won't be able to replicate the exact situation SZ was in when Orochimaru blindsided him. He impaled Karin with his spikes, only to figure out that she can heal her wounds by biting herself, then Suigetsu blindsides him and hits him with his water gun, only for Orochimaru to slip in during the chaos and blindside him with his bite. Which SZ shrugged off in a couple seconds. The battle starts with Zetsu having a clear view on Orochimaru and any clones he makes. Not even close to being the same scenario.

Lmao What? it's databook fact He Regen is affected thanks to his new body. Plus it's databook fact Oru can as well (he also being a Zetsu).

We were talking about Oral Rebirth, obviously. Not to mention it's not enhanced. DB said that you get Hashirama's Healing Power if you have his cells. Regardless, his healing power isn't helping against any of Zetsu's attacks. Not from Mokujin, not from SS, and definitely not from spiked Mokuton tendrils like the ones that massacred the Mist Ninja.


LMFAOOO! Stop. TOBI (SPIRAL ZETSU's NAME) was given Mokujin. Why in the world would Orochimaru be able to use Mokujin because he possessed a Zetsu clone when the clone he possessed doesn't even have the ability to use sub par Mokuton let alone constructs.

 

[Draegod]

@bold: Guess how many fucks I would give even if I had ever seen you debate with Spiral Zetsu? My info comes from the Manga. Plain and simple.

Anyway, 2 posts in and you can't even provide a real argument. Please don't reply if you are just going to waste my time. Having better reaction feats, speed, strength and durability than Spiral Zetsu is completely irrelevant when Spiral Zetsu trumps him for reasons that have literally jack shit to do with his own physical abilities.

He can mayfly away from SS's barrage of punches. Yes. But:

-He can't run away the whole fight.
-Mokuton sprouts from underground. All he needs to do is use it at the spot where Orochimaru is merging with the ground before he has fully gone under and he gets hit.

With Karin and Suigetsu's help he was able to catch SZ off guard and hit him with the Curse Mark. Let's not ignore that fact.




Unless his summons ever make it past the Mokuton constructs, it's not GG. Not even close.



How? Because I don't care for this vague shit you call an argument.




You sound dumb considering he had Taka and the element of surprise working with him. What's hilarious is that you think Orochimaru has better feats than SZ. Lmao. Got any more jokes under your belt?




You sound extra dumb here since his clones won't be able to replicate the exact situation SZ was in when Orochimaru blindsided him. He impaled Karin with his spikes, only to figure out that she can heal her wounds by biting herself, then Suigetsu blindsides him and hits him with his water gun, only for Orochimaru to slip in during the chaos and blindside him with his bite. Which SZ shrugged off in a couple seconds. The battle starts with Zetsu having a clear view on Orochimaru and any clones he makes. Not even close to being the same scenario.

What argumenst have you given Kid? lmao "He would be pounded" when Mei cannonly tanked a punch? When he can literally MY flower in and out anytime he chooses? How would them punches connect with him when he would be on the head with SZY? lmao And what stops him from merging again? If and when in CQC he easily triumphs! And why would he need his Summons when he himself can inject the poison directly! What would stop Oru from Biting Him?

What would stop Clones from helping Oru overwhelm SZY? You act as though he is untouchable. SZY cannonly is cocky as shit and doesn't care in general. just likes to have fun and what not. If a punch would miraculously almost connect then he simply fuse or merge with the punch since it is cannot he can fuse with Mokuton jutsu's! Damn what do you not get? I literally showed a picture! lmmfao

Your only argument is "he gets it from the punches", thats it? No real strategy or logic what so ever! Please come correct next time! And ofc I don't ever expect some on like yourself to concede since your friends made you think youre top dog. lmao So i'll enjoy your small insults as you ignore more manga facts just to be "right".

 

[Draegod]

LMFAOOO! Stop. TOBI (SPIRAL ZETSU's NAME) was given Mokujin. Why in the world would Orochimaru be able to use Mokujin because he possessed a Zetsu clone when the clone he possessed doesn't even have the ability to use sub par Mokuton let alone constructs.

page 299 Databook 4
Mokujin no jutsu (literally wood human)
Ninjutsu,kekke-genkai,no range,defensive,offensive.
Users:Hashirama Senju/Zetsu.
Descending God,that makes everyone get crushed by their karma(repent for their sins)!

God of shinobi Hashirama Senju was very good at ninjutsu. By given chakra to make wood (wood release) grow faster,to take shape into very big/gigantic mokujin. The giant excels in defense and offense,and has strong physical attacks.During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails. Mokujin head also can be a protective shelter for Hashirama, turning itself into defense of unrivaled sturdiness.
Picture: Hashirama used this jutsu to catch and return back bijudama with just one hand. Jutsu only achieved because of Hashirama s naturally (literally chakra reserves in gene cells) large chakra.

Please learn how to read the databook!

 

[KidGamer65]

What argumenst have you given Kid? lmao "He would be pounded" when Mei cannonly tanked a punch? When he can literally MY flower in and out anytime he chooses? How would them punches connect with him when he would be on the head with SZY? lmao And what stops him from merging again? If and when in CQC he easily triumphs! And why would he need his Summons when he himself can inject the poison directly! What would stop Oru from Biting Him?

Mei tanked one punch. Smh. Is that the same as tanking all of them? Especially since the impact will be far greater if he's hit while backed up against a wall or while on the ground. As for Mayfly, I'll just repeat what I said earlier.

-Then there's the fact that he actually has to be able to merge before the barrage of fists hit him and then retract.

You've only told me "he merges!" without explaining:

-How he merges with the statue before he gets hit by that same statue.
-How he actually defeats SZ.

So, let's say that he merges with the ground, merges with the statue and then pops up right next to Spiral Zetsu. Then Spiral Zetsu simply uses the same Mokuton Tendrils he used while Obito was in his suit to skewer and rip apart Orochimaru's body. Being able to use Mayfly doesn't matter since the Mokuton will come under the very spot he's merged/trying to merge with, and his merging is not fast enough to go under, and escape before a branch erupts from the ground and rips right through his chest.

Let's not talk about insufficient argumentation here. As for the bold, read the OP. His summons have the poison. That's it. The only one who can directly administer the poison is Kabuto and he's not here, so until OP changes his condition you're gonna have to deal with it.

What would stop Clones from helping Oru overwhelm SZY?

Hmm, let's see, the fact that SZ can literally make the same type of clone Orochimaru is making to counter. Then there's his widespread Mokuton that I have already replied to.

Then there's the fact that he can use every single technique Yamato has ever used on panel, but of course much stronger since SZ canonically enhances the power of Mokuton. Orochimaru gets buttraped in CQC.

You act as though he is untouchable. SZY cannonly is cocky as shit and doesn't care in general. just likes to have fun and what not. If a punch would miraculously almost connect then he simply fuse or merge with the punch since it is cannot he can fuse with Mokuton jutsu's! Damn what do you not get? I literally showed a picture! lmmfao

This has all been addressed.

Your only argument is "he gets it from the punches", thats it? No real strategy or logic what so ever! Please come correct next time! And ofc I don't ever expect some on like yourself to concede since your friends made you think youre top dog. lmao So i'll enjoy your small insults as you ignore more manga facts just to be "right".

I mentioned more than just the punches, I mentioned regular Mokuton and Sashiki too. How the actual **** are you But since you've proven to me in the past that you can't read and you have a skewed understand of some parts of the Manga, I really cannot be surprised at anything I'm reading here.

I'll concede if you can prove me wrong. It's really that simple. What's funny is that you act like I can't concede even though I can give you threads where I've admitted to being wrong, and one of them was to you. Please stop masking the fact that you have no good arguments by trying to make it seem like you've done everything you can do in all our arguments only for me to ignore your arguments and not concede. What really happens is the opposite. I do everything I can do and you either ignore the post and mask the fact you have no counter with some bullshit reason (The post in my sig is from an argument where you did this same thing I'm describing. Sound stupid as fuck in that thread too, tellin me that a small BD will obliterate PS ), or you cry about my friends and bail. (Guess one of us made you butthurt smh) So do me a favor and spare me the usual bullshit.


Why can't you just stick to the debate and stop crying about other people and what they think of me. It really makes you look like a pathetic whiny little bitch. One that sounds like a broken ass record at that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Please learn how to read the databook!

Please learn how to read the Manga. Zetsu's level of Mokuton is fodder trash probably even worse than what Obito has shown by himself. Obito is a user of Sashiki no Jutsu, yet only showed it when he had SZ boosting his Mokuton Power. SZ is a user of SS, yet he can't even do that shit without having someone inside of him boosting as power, as Zetsu already hinted in canon when he told Madara that the insides were good.

But of course, you would be the only one to suggest that a being with Obito level Mokuton at best can use something that'd be near the level of a Mokuton Jutsu that took SZ+Yamato to make.

 

[Draegod]

Mei tanked one punch. Smh. Is that the same as tanking all of them? Especially since the impact will be far greater if he's hit while backed up against a wall or while on the ground. As for Mayfly, I'll just repeat what I said earlier.

-Then there's the fact that he actually has to be able to merge before the barrage of fists hit him and then retract.

You've only told me "he merges!" without explaining:

-How he merges with the statue before he gets hit by that same statue.
-How he actually defeats SZ.

So, let's say that he merges with the ground, merges with the statue and then pops up right next to Spiral Zetsu. Then Spiral Zetsu simply uses the same Mokuton Tendrils he used while Obito was in his suit to skewer and rip apart Orochimaru's body. Being able to use Mayfly doesn't matter since the Mokuton will come under the very spot he's merged/trying to merge with, and his merging is not fast enough to go under, and escape before a branch erupts from the ground and rips right through his chest.

Let's not talk about insufficient argumentation here. As for the bold, read the OP. His summons have the poison. That's it. The only one who can directly administer the poison is Kabuto and he's not here, so until OP changes his condition you're gonna have to deal with it.



Hmm, let's see, the fact that SZ can literally make the same type of clone Orochimaru is making to counter. Then there's his widespread Mokuton that I have already replied to.

Then there's the fact that he can use every single technique Yamato has ever used on panel, but of course much stronger since SZ canonically enhances the power of Mokuton. Orochimaru gets buttraped in CQC.




This has all been addressed.



I mentioned more than just the punches, I mentioned regular Mokuton and Sashiki too. How the actual **** are you But since you've proven to me in the past that you can't read and you have a skewed understand of some parts of the Manga, I really cannot be surprised at anything I'm reading here.

I'll concede if you can prove me wrong. It's really that simple. What's funny is that you act like I can't concede even though I can give you threads where I've admitted to being wrong, and one of them was to you. Please stop masking the fact that you have no good arguments by trying to make it seem like you've done everything you can do in all our arguments only for me to ignore your arguments and not concede. What really happens is the opposite. I do everything I can do and you either ignore the post and mask the fact you have no counter with some bullshit reason (The post in my sig is from an argument where you did this same thing I'm describing. Sound stupid as fuck in that thread too, tellin me that a small BD will obliterate PS ), or you cry about my friends and bail. (Guess one of us made you butthurt smh) So do me a favor and spare me the usual bullshit.


Why can't you just stick to the debate and stop crying about other people and what they think of me. It really makes you look like a pathetic whiny little bitch. One that sounds like a broken ass record at that.

**Sigh**

Regarding the Summons and poison, It takes Zero time to use a Summoning jutsu that will instantly pop up and bite him. Unless you have feats of SZY reaction time to surprise ST ninjutsu attempts? SUmmoning will be the easiest thing let alone Oru escaping Mokuton rising from his feet in an attelpt to bind him when he himself will simply remerge with said mokuton tryng to bind him. Plus the fact With Oru's body and Healing factors The wood branches will simply be laughed at no diff. Is that really your only way of victory?

Oru was able to tank much more threatening attacks and jutsu, yet you think a Fellow Mokuton jutsu (that he cannonly can merge with) will kill him with no resist from Oru who has better feats then him? lol Nothing in Yamato's aresenal is even a threat for ZOru. So please dont bring him up. Then suggesting Ripping Oru apart would kill him? When he cannonly has been ripped apart while sick and no diff was able to reform? When he has ORal rebirth when he has a new better body? Nothing you are listing will work unless you show a counter to merging with ALL MOKUTON RELATED THINGS!

And I never said a "small TBB" would obilterate PS, You again cannot read my child. You are trying wayyyyy to hard to be right that you are night and day countered.

Please learn how to read the Manga. Zetsu's level of Mokuton is fodder trash probably even worse than what Obito has shown by himself. Obito is a user of Sashiki no Jutsu, yet only showed it when he had SZ boosting his Mokuton Power. SZ is a user of SS, yet he can't even do that shit without having someone inside of him boosting as power, as Zetsu already hinted in canon when he told Madara that the insides were good.

But of course, you would be the only one to suggest that a being with Obito level Mokuton at best can use something that'd be near the level of a Mokuton Jutsu that took SZ+Yamato to make.

So you try and act cool and say;

Then there's the fact that the DB states SZ can use Mokujin.

LMFAOOO! Stop. TOBI (SPIRAL ZETSU's NAME) was given Mokujin. Why in the world would Orochimaru be able to use Mokujin because he possessed a Zetsu clone when the clone he possessed doesn't even have the ability to use sub par Mokuton let alone constructs.

I Owned you with facts from the DB (the same DB that you tried to use and brought up btw). So instead of saing your wrong you say;

Please learn how to read the Manga

When no where in the manga did it state Zetsu period can use Said jutsu! At this point you look stupid going from "databook" to "manga" when it was never stated in the manga but databook. Then you try and use Zetsu's chakra when Oru has his Humoungous chakra to use hashirmam's KKG and use said jutsu. It's similar to kakashi who isn't and uchiha or Danzo; if you have the KKG (sharingan in kakashi's case, and Mokuton and Sharingan in danzou's case) you can use all the jutsu's just like the user of teh KG. Whether it's down scaled (Yamato's case) or equal (sasuke using Oru's powers) doesnt matter. THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE SAID JUTSU! Plus the fact the databook states all you need to do is use your chakra to make mokuton take to form of a Golem (which oru has plenty of) and also can use Mokuton. What don't you get?

You ignore the manga when it's against you, but try to use it when it's beneficial even though there are zero feats. LMAO Don't worry i have something for you when I get time.

 

[KidGamer65]

**Sigh**

Regarding the Summons and poison, It takes Zero time to use a Summoning jutsu that will instantly pop up and bite him. Unless you have feats of SZY reaction time to surprise ST ninjutsu attempts? SUmmoning will be the easiest thing let alone Oru escaping Mokuton rising from his feet in an attelpt to bind him when he himself will simply remerge with said mokuton tryng to bind him. Plus the fact With Oru's body and Healing factors The wood branches will simply be laughed at no diff. Is that really your only way of victory?

If he summons a snake in front of him, the more likely scenario is that he'd almost be crushed by it considering it's so large in comparison to his own body. Not bitten. Then there's the fact that reacting to the summoning is irrelevant and impossible. Reacting to the summon trying to bite him is the part that matters, and all he has to do is either evade using Mayfly, or use Mokuton like he did while Obito was in his body to pierce it.

Never said that Orochimaru would be bound by Mokuton. How about you try reading? I said that he'd be skewered by it. After that, he uses Oral Rebirth and SZ simply rinses and repeats. Please don't mention his healing factor here when it's inferior to Sage Enhanced Madara's healing factor which can't even restore limbs like Tsunade's can, mainly because Hashirama and those who have copied his abilities heal, she regenerates.

Oru was able to tank much more threatening attacks and jutsu, yet you think a Fellow Mokuton jutsu (that he cannonly can merge with) will kill him with no resist from Oru who has better feats then him? lol Nothing in Yamato's aresenal is even a threat for ZOru. So please dont bring him up. Then suggesting Ripping Oru apart would kill him? When he cannonly has been ripped apart while sick and no diff was able to reform? When he has ORal rebirth when he has a new better body? Nothing you are listing will work unless you show a counter to merging with ALL MOKUTON RELATED THINGS!

Like what? Lmao. Please tell me. Orochimaru uses Oral Rebirth for KN4's attacks, which are the strongest things he's ever taken. Yet somehow that's more threatening than having multiple giant branches ripping right through your body? Please tell the world another joke, God knows you have a whole bag of them sitting right beside you.

Where was Orochimaru ripped apart? Cause Manga (which you obviously can't read) shows him being cut in half by KN4's claw and that's the closest he ever came to being ripped apart. Come back when getting bisected is the same as having multiple giant branches piercing through your body.

I've already addressed Mayfly. Twice. All you've done is ignore it and cry about how he'll merge with all of Zetsu's attacks, which is probably the stupidest thing I've read today.

And I never said a "small TBB" would obilterate PS, You again cannot read my child. You are trying wayyyyy to hard to be right that you are night and day countered.

Smh. Now you're lying about the whole incident? I have a quote of you telling me that a small Senjutsu Bijuu Dama would obliterate PS. I can get more quotes that say the same idiotic shit.

I Owned you with facts from the DB (the same DB that you tried to use and brought up btw). So instead of saing your wrong you say;



When no where in the manga did it state Zetsu period can use Said jutsu! At this point you look stupid going from "databook" to "manga" when it was never stated in the manga but databook. Then you try and use Zetsu's chakra when Oru has his Humoungous chakra to use hashirmam's KKG and use said jutsu. It's similar to kakashi who isn't and uchiha or Danzo; if you have the KKG (sharingan in kakashi's case, and Mokuton and Sharingan in danzou's case) you can use all the jutsu's just like the user of teh KG. Whether it's down scaled (Yamato's case) or equal (sasuke using Oru's powers) doesnt matter. THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE SAID JUTSU! Plus the fact the databook states all you need to do is use your chakra to make mokuton take to form of a Golem (which oru has plenty of) and also can use Mokuton. What don't you get?

You ignore the manga when it's against you, but try to use it when it's beneficial even though there are zero feats. LMAO Don't worry i have something for you when I get time.

Lmfao. You didn't own shit pal. It never being stated that he can't use it in the Manga is irrelevant when I only need to look at his inability to use Mokuton on a sub par level. So why would anyone with the tiniest bit of common sense argue that he's gonna bring out a full fledged Mokuton construct? Smh.

If you don't have enough power to manifest said jutsu it doesn't matter if you know how to perform it. It won't happen. Zetsu's Mokuton is trash and literally nothing from the Manga or the Databook is going to change that. When he learns how to make branches bigger than what Obito can make, we can talk about his Mokuton being good enough to let him use any real constructs. Even if he does use it, it'd be so fucking weak that he might as well have not wasted his time. Lol @ the bold. If humongous chakra was the only thing you needed to use Mokuton proficiently, Obito's Mokuton wouldn't be shit like it is in canon.

Databook saying that all you do is use your chakra to make Mokton take the form of a golem doesn't prove that Orochimaru has the ability or the proficiency to do so. That simple. Especially since he's using a fodder Zetsu clones body. The best thing you could do for me is never reply to me again. Lmao. I'd prefer if my brain cells stayed intact.

 

[Beans2]

If SZY can use Buddha on a weaker scale then can he use all of Hashis mokuton on a smaller scale since Buddha is Hashis strongest tech??

Ive been reading this thread and all thats been addressed so far is mayfly which obviously won't work forever given that Oro still can't take out Buddha and his opponent can use Mayfly too. The jutsu gets overrated as hell by some people thinking it's a game changer. Summons are useless, they get restrained by mokuton and pounded....SZY can attack him with mokuton constructs coming out of the ground forcing Orochimaru up where he's more vulnerable and can't pop and down like a praire dog with mayfly when the very mokuton he'd be trying to merge with is attacking him. Mokuryu can suck Oro dry of chakra and kill him.

 

[Apêx1]

If SZY can use Buddha on a weaker scale then can he use all of Hashis mokuton on a smaller scale since Buddha is Hashis strongest tech??

Ive been reading this thread and all thats been addressed so far is mayfly which obviously won't work forever given that Oro still can't take out Buddha and his opponent can use Mayfly too. The jutsu gets overrated as hell by some people thinking it's a game changer. Summons are useless, they get restrained by mokuton and pounded....SZY can attack him with mokuton constructs coming out of the ground forcing Orochimaru up where he's more vulnerable and can't pop and down like a praire dog with mayfly when the very mokuton he'd be trying to merge with is attacking him. Mokuryu can suck Oro dry of chakra and kill him.

KG says DB says he has Mokujin as well, so it is implicative that he has all of Hashirama's jutsu on a smaller scale.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Manda rapes that puny Buddha hell Karin alone almost shredded all of it's arms. Orochimaru stomps.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ill add my two cent after Draegod's next counter

 

[Mihael Keehl]

Orochimaru subdues Zetsu in the same way Kabuto subdued Yamato

 

[Red Slayer]

this-is-not-a-fight

 

[RedRobin]

If SZY can use Buddha on a weaker scale then can he use all of Hashis mokuton on a smaller scale since Buddha is Hashis strongest tech??

Ive been reading this thread and all thats been addressed so far is mayfly which obviously won't work forever given that Oro still can't take out Buddha and his opponent can use Mayfly too. The jutsu gets overrated as hell by some people thinking it's a game changer. Summons are useless, they get restrained by mokuton and pounded....SZY can attack him with mokuton constructs coming out of the ground forcing Orochimaru up where he's more vulnerable and can't pop and down like a praire dog with mayfly when the very mokuton he'd be trying to merge with is attacking him. Mokuryu can suck Oro dry of chakra and kill him.

How are you restraining snakes with wood? Manda was able to dig underground, no wood will hold him as he can slither right out. Manda is slightly smaller than SZY's Buhhda and Karin's chains wrecked the arms.

SZY gets so overrated when he got blitzed by Taka easily.

 

[super yang]

what is ''wood poison'' & ''old blood'' again?