Unexplained sequence that happened at VOTE [SMART PEOPLE NEEDED]

[VongolaX]

One issue that bothered me is the aftermath or off panel that happened during Hashirama and Madara's fight.

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The thousand arms were able to remove half of magic garb Susanoo during the clash while the Susanoo removed its many arms.
However the buddah itself was still intact and left the broken arm board to remove the rest of Susanoo from the kyuubi and free its genjustu control.

So now we have a buddah with no thousand arms, wood golem, and wood dragon still ready and available to fight EMS Madara with no kyuubi and no Susanoo on him:

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So now my biggest question here is how did Madara take on all three major wood summonings without even kurama or Susanoo and end up like this? :

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A complete stalemate despite being in a deficit in battle. The odds were stacked against him and they both ended with no chakra and worn out.

Can some one smart and not a total fanboy on each sides explain?

 

[Michael]

Did you consider the fact all of that most likely took its toll on hashirama and the summonings/wood dispersed after? Also hashirama is a fair man, after stripping madara of power he would fight on even terms, he doesn't fight dirty especially against someone he consider a friend.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

One could argue he rebuilt susanōo but it alone still couldn't take on those 3 alone. The only answer is a plot device, to our knowledge EMS Madara had no techniques capable of pulling off such a feat.

 

[-immortal-]

Hashi didn't use his summonings after that

 

[Ging]

Putting the Strongest beast to sleep is not the easy thing to do.

Hashirama got low on chakra after using and controlling three big ass summonings so after destroying PS and putting Kyuubi,Hashirama's undo his summonings.

 

[VongolaX]

Did you consider the fact all of that most likely took its toll on hashirama and the summonings/wood dispersed after? Also hashirama is a fair man, after stripping madara of power he would fight on even terms, he doesn't fight dirty especially against someone he consider a friend.

Naw dude, Hashirama is no Naruto.

It was a fight to the death and there is no fair play.
He stabbed him from behind. No man of any fair play would ever do that, not Ashura and especially not even naruto.
I respect your honest response though

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One could argue he rebuilt susanōo but it alone still couldn't take on those 3 alone. The only answer is a plot device, to our knowledge EMS Madara had no techniques capable of pulling off such a feat.

That's what I'm taking this for.
Hashirama purposely left some details out of that fight, he sure does have pride himself.

Hashi didn't use his summonings after that

Lmao XD

No :|

 

[Michael]

Naw dude, Hashirama is no Naruto.

It was a fight to the death and there is no fair play.
He stabbed him from behind. No man of any fair play would ever do that, not Ashura and especially not even naruto.
I respect your honest response though

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What? Hashirama and Naruto are the most similar, infact they are both ashura incarnate.They both shared Same ideals,attitude,etc. XD

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Naw dude, Hashirama is no Naruto.

It was a fight to the death and there is no fair play.
He stabbed him from behind. No man of any fair play would ever do that, not Ashura and especially not even naruto.
I respect your honest response though

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That's what I'm taking this for.
Hashirama purposely left some details out of that fight, he sure does have pride himself.

Yeah he is definetely not Naruto, but Hashirama sure did have the same goals as Naruto. He was forced to stab Madara because he believed that Madara would keep coming after the Leaf Village so he had to put an end to it right there.

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I think he knew that Madara was going to survive the attack which is why he left it at that.

 

[SenseiSama]

Just because he's a transmigrant doesn't mean he has infinite chakra. Madara's Susanoo was still intact after the clash but both of them low on chakra that much is obvious, they ended up fighting in base mode like Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[Adam Driver]

I know nothing :bdpf:

 

[VongolaX]

Yeah he is definetely not Naruto, but Hashirama sure did have the same goals as Naruto. He was forced to stab Madara because he believed that Madara would keep coming after the Leaf Village so he had to put an end to it right there.

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I think he knew that Madara was going to survive the attack which is why he left it at that.

I mean how did Madara take out those summonings though?

In the end, he still tried to kill him and he told Sasuke that he thought he killed him.

What? Hashirama and Naruto are the most similar, infact they are both ashura incarnate.They both shared Same ideals,attitude,etc. XD

I know they're Ashura's incarnate but after all the crap Sasuke put naruto through he was still strong enough to fight Sasuke on even terms. In fact Sasuke cheated twice and put Naruto in a disadvantage yet he still didn't retaliate and strike an opponent when he was not aware/looking.

Hashirama resorted to trickery, meaning he had full intent to kill Madara. He even told Sasuke that he had full intent to kill Madara for the sake of the village. Putting away his most powerful summonings is the last thing Hashirama would of done in that battle.

 

[Ansatsuken]

You should know how Hashirama fight.

When his opponent just using normal scale jutsus like Katon or melee attack, Hashirama also will use the same tactic or way of fight.

Hashirama using Wood Dragon and Mokujin was because Madara used Kurama and final Susanoo. And they both match each others.

But when Madara used Iso Susanoo, its scale become higher than before and it force Hashirama to used Shinsuusenju. Mokujin and Dragon cant deal with Iso Susanoo although Mokujin can deal with PS when edo Madara fought edo Hashi. I mean the combine power from PS and Kurama is to great.

Look by yourself what Iso Susanoo can do as compared to a single PS. Its a multi-mountains level attack.

But when Shinsuusenju managed to defeat iso Susanoo and Mokujin subdue Kurama. Madara only left his self with one option, that was a normal scale jutsus. Yes, he can create PS but due to low in chakra, its not enough to maintain PS for much longer. And he knew Hashi would not using large scale Jutsu if the battle turned into normal scale and melee type of battle.

Their edo fight should tells you how this two legendary fighters fight each others.

I hope it help you to understand. Hashirama fighting strategies depends on circumstances. He will not tried to take advantage.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Since the buddha had literary no use after sealing the kyuubi, hashirama simply got off it and went to the golem. Madara then use the final bit of chakra he had to use sousano. But since the golem would normally be too slow to strike madara down or to even land a hit(note this is assuming madara couldn't build back his sousanon), hashirama might have abandoned both summonings in order to track madara himself

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

LOL. Sasuke had Perfect Susanoo destroyed like 4 times and kept reforming them. Besides, if madara went full PS(max size). It would dwarf those three(remaining budha, mokujin and wood dragon). Or at the very least the same size. So it makes sense. Madara probably just reformed PS but withoug Kurama.

 

[SatanicGod]

In shinobi fights, people rarely use a large summoning against a human sized opponent, it's actually a bad strategical move, as large summons are often too slow or large to actually get a good hit on the smaller enemy

 

[V h o]

Can't really say, nothing can really say what happened since it wasn't shown. Only thing Madara had to confront golem less enough all 3 constructs was susanoo, so perhaps he could use that again. Otherwise hashirama ran out of chakra to keep them there. Another option is hashirama not going for the kill, didn't look like hashi resolved himself till towards the end but meh. Also the possibility of madara having something else to counter those constructs.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He simply reformed ps. it should be easier on him since he doesn't have to allocate chakra for controlling kurama.

 

[VongolaX]

You should know how Hashirama fight.

When his opponent just using normal scale jutsus like Katon or melee attack, Hashirama also will use the same tactic or way of fight.

Hashirama using Wood Dragon and Mokujin was because Madara used Kurama and final Susanoo. And they both match each others.

But when Madara used Iso Susanoo, its scale become higher than before and it force Hashirama to used Shinsuusenju. Mokujin and Dragon cant deal with Iso Susanoo although Mokujin can deal with PS when edo Madara fought edo Hashi. I mean the combine power from PS and Kurama is to great.

Look by yourself what Iso Susanoo can do as compared to a single PS. Its a multi-mountains level attack.

But when Shinsuusenju managed to defeat iso Susanoo and Mokujin subdue Kurama. Madara only left his self with normal scale jutsus. Yes, he can create PS but due to lower in chakra, its not enough to maintain PS for much longer. And he knew Hashi would not using large scale Jutsu if the battle turned into normal scale and melee type of battle.

Their edo fight should tells you how this two legendary fighters fight each others.

I hope it help you to understand. Hashirama fighting strategies depends on circumstances. He will not tried to take advantage.

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2. When fight for the sake of his village, he will not hold back even for Madara:

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3. Edo Madara was stalling Edo Hashirama, there was no fight to the death like at VOTE:

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So the circumstances differ, limited choices were made when someone is stronger than you keeping you from making any further actions.
Madara on the other hand was in a race against time, his biggest problem was Obito's Infinte tsukyomi.

 

[Ansatsuken]

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2. When fight for the sake of his village, he will not hold back even for Madara:

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3. Edo Madara was stalling Edo Hashirama, there was no fight to the death like at VOTE:

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So the circumstances differ, limited choices were made when someone is stronger than you keeping you from making any further actions.
Madara on the other hand was in a race against time, his biggest problem was Obito's Infinte tsukyomi.

This was not about intent to kill or holding back, but the factor of situations.

Even without using Large construct, Hashi still can used other Mokuton jutsus.

Im asking you if you said Madara used PS, what he can do to fight Shinsuusenju as PS pòwer is lower than Buddha. Madara think the best way to deal with Hashi is by using normal jutsu, melee attack, and normal size Susanoo for defensive purpose.

And we saw their CqC battle in the flashback(BZ told) and its including the moment Madara bite Hashi's arm. Their CqC occured even before Hashi's final flashback. What we saw in Hashi's final flashback just a small part of their CqC battle.

If we're following your logic Madara already became curry paste because Hashi would use all his arsenal to kill Madara and its including all large construct(Buddha, Mokujin and Dragon), jukai koutan etc. What arsenal Madara had to counter all that?

Going for the kill doesnt mean you will used all of your arsenal. And you just knew Hashi's intention after he killed Madara. But do you know what happen before that. The possibility of Hashi TnJ Madara but that didnt work and finally he chose to kill Madara.

And for Edo case, Yes Madara was stalling Hashi at first, but after that they went to fight each other seriously. And Hashi goal was to stop Madara and Madara to stop Hashi. Do you think Hashi just holding back and let his body pierced by Black Rod? He knew madara goal is to perform IT. And task to protect human is larger than saving his village. He must stop Madara at all cost thats mean he must go all out.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I have no idea(plus I am commenting, for post increase). OT: I see.