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Get with the program. Neglect meant as in the "Jinton effect". It can still decompose anything that touches it.
Negate not Neglect and no it can't seeing as Sasuke Rib cage Susanoo hand tanked an attack from it later. So your clearly wrong on that it can decompose anything it touches.

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Negate not Neglect and no it can't seeing as Sasuke Rib cage Susanoo hand tanked an attack from it later. So your clearly wrong on that it can decompose anything it touches.

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That part was decomposed though.

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^ It did, but I'm guessing he means that it can't disintegrate anything like Jinton can, since it didn't run right through Sasuke's Susanoo and kill Naruto.
 

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That part was decomposed though.

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Where it's at doe?


^ It did, but I'm guessing he means that it can't disintegrate anything like Jinton can, since it didn't run right through Sasuke's Susanoo and kill Naruto.
This to if it was as potent as he tried to make it it would have went right through the Susanoo.
 

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Not really. Gudo Dama has never disintegrated anything close to an explosion. It's only disintegrated physical objects. The only way it'd be able to disintegrate explosions is if it was Jinton, and it's not Jinton. It's similar.

Your making claims you can't back up. Only poor reasons for you to rebuttal. Your calling me retarded from the fact that its not Jinton, yet will always have the similar effect lmao. Its stronger by fact, wither controlled with Onmy or not as it doesn't change its components that Hiruzen stated it all, news flash: All natures. Which was outright stated to surpass KKT.


Then there's the fact that you have no evidence that it did disintegrate the explosives. If all the explosive tags were disintegrated, then why in the hell would the explosions continue despite the tags being obliterated, as in the tags from the center of the explosion?

*We been discussion that energy can be decomposed*

*Begins to strawman my argument and making claims I didn't make via Gudo making contact with the tags*



It's not inconsistent. You are just trying to make an inconsistency so you have an excuse to ignore the clear cut fact that Gojo failed to damage the Gudo Dama when it couldn't even negate Ninjutsu. The worst thing about this whole argument is that Paper Tags aren't Ninjutsu. But I've still gone along with your BS.

Ok? you went along with something that was completely irrelevant of a claim and the whole point of my argument.


Gai's attack is an air cannon, once again. Air cannons push the opponent back. Not all that energy hits and stays on the target. Then there's the fact that the air cannon was so much larger than Madara's body and his shield. When Gai landed a direct assault, they broke. Don't cry "inconsistency inconsistency" when there is a clear explanation for it.

Like I said the priorities of the "canon" is irrelevant (even though you got the effects wrong). A direct assault did much more damage then Naruto and Sasuke's. The damage output we seen was also much superior without the direct assault.

@bold: Are you dumb? That's exactly how it works for every kind of defense. Your example is shitty as hell since Obito's Juubidama was negated, hence the lack of damage. Naruto's attack wasn't, hence the damage. Using excuses like "inconsistency" isn't going to work when the simple answer is, despite being a JJ, Obito didn't put, or couldn't put, Senjutsu into his Bijuu Dama. Using excuses like "not focused enough" won't work when Hashirama and Madara were also obliterated by said explosion and when it was contained in a barrier.

Are you dumb? There is no defense that requires specific jutsu to hurt a specific beating. This isn't an argument about overall attack power. I already mention Juubito tanking FRS+Enton. (an attack much stronger then a rasengan) Yet the the attack damage came out much inferioir then a regular (Sm) mere Rasengan. Your whole example is my point. Juubi can throw a whole country buster at Gudo, if its not senjutsu, then its meaningless.

Then there's the fact that the Gudo Dama we are talking about can't even negate Ninjutsu.

Which we went pass but continue to go along with?

Are you stupid? Gudo Dama doesn't atomize anything that touches it. That's Jinton. Gudo Dama disintegrates what it's strong enough to disintegrate. That's why didn't run right through Sasuke's Susanoo despite it not being Senjutsu. That's why Naruto survived. If it was like Jinton, it would've torn right through Susanoo and killed Naruto.

Are you stupid? Gudo surpasses Onoki's jutsu. Fact (Addressed first quote) What it doesn't surpass is its range, which Hiruzen explained: " "

Gudo Dama isn't strong enough to vaporize the Kurama Avatar or Legged Susanoo. Hiruzen said it's similar, not that it's the same.

If this wasnt corny to do, I would make this sig worthy.


Irrelevant to the point? Boy, what a retard. Juubi's durability is completely irrelevant since Gojo has never done anything to prove that it can hurt the Juubi in any way, shape or form. Gojo has one direct feat, and that's failing to scratch the Gudo Dama that can't even negate Ninjutsu. To try and ignore the most direct failure of a feat that Gojo has, you started crying about how the Gudo Dama disintegrated the explosion even though there is literally no proof for that.

And while I'm at it, let me read the Manga to you since, like many others, you can't do so yourself.

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"Fast and Tough". The Next panel is "With attacks that turn to dust in an instant".

Now, let's read together.

First quote refers to the speed and defense of the Gudo Dama. Obito only used them twice before Hiruzen's assessment. Once to block Gojo, and once before here.


Since the first quote refers to the speed and defense of the Gudo Dama, Hiruzen obviously isn't talking about this instance since he used them for an attack that turned Hashirama and Tobirama to dust? Oh wait! What quote does that match?

"With attacks that turn to dust in an instant".


Yes. Now what is left? The second time he used the Gudo Dama, and that was against Gojo. What quote does that match?

"Fast and Tough".


Speed and defense. End of ****ing story. (But I fully expect another retarded reply)

Ok, I was wrong to interpret Juubito taking some of the attack. It was completely blocked. Doesn't change my argument.


Corny? Lmao. Not sure what you are talking about when you say corny, but you are definitely being the usual retard that you are. What's petty is that you'll grasp at straws and twist whatever material you can find to make your point not sound like it's retarded.

You clearly showed in this rebuttal, which you can end with your incoming wall-o-text
 

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This kid really is stupid as ****. Lmao. I'll reply to this horseshit after work.
 

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Your making claims you can't back up. Only poor reasons for you to rebuttal. Your calling me retarded from the fact that its not Jinton, yet will always have the similar effect lmao. Its stronger by fact, wither controlled with Onmy or not as it doesn't change its components that Hiruzen stated it all, news flash: All natures. Which was outright stated to surpass KKT.

I made no claim that the Manga hasn't explicitly proven. You claimed that the attack was disintegrated by the Gudo Dama instead of it being tanked like the Manga says it was, so it's up to you to prove it. What's worse is that you can't even support it with anything that makes sense.

And yes, you are a massive retard. Gudo Dama surpassing Jinton as a whole or in elemental composition has nothing to do with it surpassing Jinton when it comes to disintegration. Gudo Dama already failed to get past Sasuke's Susanoo and kill Naruto. Are you telling me Jinton would do the same? Knowing your dumb ass you'd probably claim that shit just to save face.


*We been discussion that energy can be decomposed*

*Begins to strawman my argument and making claims I didn't make via Gudo making contact with the tags*

Are you fucking stupid? By saying that the attack was disintegrated and not tanked, you are saying that the tags that were being summoned and the tags that Tobirama threw at Obito were disintegrated. Manga shows no such thing. If the central tags and explosions were disintegrated, then there wouldn't be a continuous explosion.




Ok? you went along with something that was completely irrelevant of a claim and the whole point of my argument.
Except it's not irrelevant. No amount of shitty arguments from your side will change that.


Like I said the priorities of the "canon" is irrelevant (even though you got the effects wrong). A direct assault did much more damage then Naruto and Sasuke's. The damage output we seen was also much superior without the direct assault.

Already explained it. This is you repeating the same horseshit over and over. Please refute or I'll accept your concession.

Are you dumb? There is no defense that requires specific jutsu to hurt a specific beating. This isn't an argument about overall attack power. I already mention Juubito tanking FRS+Enton. (an attack much stronger then a rasengan) Yet the the attack damage came out much inferioir then a regular (Sm) mere Rasengan. Your whole example is my point. Juubi can throw a whole country buster at Gudo, if its not senjutsu, then its meaningless.


Are you stupid? It needing a specific type of jutsu to do damage doesn't change anything I said nor is it relevant to the argument. Juubi Jins can't be hurt by Ninjutsu. That has jack shit to do with anything here. There is no inconsistency. You are trying to invent one to prove your argument, and it's pathetic, but expected from someone with such a low IQ such as yourself. Can't even read a Manga aimed at kids.

Which we went pass but continue to go along with?

Because that is the whole core of the discussion. Not even sure what you are trying to say here anyway, but once again, look who I'm replying to. I can't be surprised.

Are you stupid? Gudo surpasses Onoki's jutsu. Fact (Addressed first quote) What it doesn't surpass is its range, which Hiruzen explained: " "

Amazing. To add on to the above, this only shows how terrible your reading comprehension is, but considering our past debates I can't really be surprised at this point. "EjBlack" and "stupid shit" pretty much go hand in hand.

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Let me read the Manga to you again, since you're head is too far up your ass to read it yourself. Hiruzen states that Obito's Gudo Dama use 4 or more Nature Transformations. Then he says that because of that, this surpasses any ordinary Kekkei Genkai or combination of elements. Meaning that he is saying Gudo Dama surpasses Jinton when it comes to elemental composition as it is made of 4 or more elements while KKT are made of 3 and KKG are made of 2. Not in vaporizing strength. Then there's the fact that Gudo Dama failed to get past Sasuke's Ribcage Susanoo while Jinton has canonically raped stronger Susanoo. So you are basically telling me that Ribcage Susanoo>Gudo Dama stick=Jinton. Now unless you really are more retarded than I initially thought you were, you'll concede this point and not make anymore dumb claims, whether they are direct or indirect.

Then there's the fact that Jinton vaporizes things by rearranging molecules. Gudo Dama does not work like that. So how are they equal? Smh.

Please stop. You sound stupid. Very stupid.

If this wasnt corny to do, I would make this sig worthy.

And the poor use of the English language is always an amusing thing to observe when you post. Bad English and bad arguments. Smh.



Ok, I was wrong to interpret Juubito taking some of the attack. It was completely blocked. Doesn't change my argument.

Nope. You're an idiot and this statement proves it. If the attack was disintegrated like you stupidly claim it was, then Hiruzen wouldn't have said "Fast and Tough". Gudo Dama TANKED it. It did NOT turn them to dust. Lmao. Learn how to read before you post, it'll stop you from making yourself look like such a fool.

-Hiruzen states the Gudo Dama are tough and fast, referring to how fast they defended him and how they tanked Gojo with no damage. Outright statement from the Manga that proves Obito's Gudo Dama was too strong, hence the explosions not doing shit. Has nothing to do with them disintegrating anything. Especially when they don't do that unless the user puts some kind of force on them, or if someone hits them. (Gai)

-You keep crying about Eighth Gate Gai even though an Air Cannon is not going to do that kind of damage to Madara's shield, especially when the air cannon isn't as focused as the final punch, but that's only a small part of it. Of course, you replied with no counter and just a repeat of what you've already stated.

-You keep crying about Obito tanking FRS and Enton, even though that's completely irrelevant to the discussion and has nothing to do with any inconsistency. Then you say that your point is that Gudo Dama negate Ninjutsu despite how strong they are, which has jack shit to do with your argument nor does it have anything to do with why Gai's Air Cannon didn't damage the Gudo Dama since physical attacks and Senjutsu work against them. And even in the case where physical attacks can't get past the Gudo Dama, which is highly likely, it only means that the Gudo Dama negated Gai's Evening Elepehant, thus there is no inconsistency in what it can or cannot tank. It tanks all Ninjutsu and it tanks Senjutsu based on how tough it is.

-Then you try and say that Gudo Dama's vaporizing abilities=Jintons? LMFAO! What's next?

Walls of text are needed to beat common sense into stubborn dumbasses like you.
 

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I'll drop the Gudo overall argument as there's no point in breaking down some points. Now Ill wait and see how this connects with anything that you try to invalidate with post #32 or #40
 

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I'll drop the Gudo overall argument as there's no point in breaking down some points. Now Ill wait and see how this connects with anything that you try to invalidate with post #32 or #40

Not a rat's ass is given about post 32.

No one is arguing superiority here. Its obviously a Juubidama. But by the feats Goju has presented theres no way anyone can argue any character, that isn't Juubi level durability, can take on this blast. Well at least not a direct hit (starting from the epic center)

This is the stupidity that I'm addressing. Gudo Dama tanked Gojo. BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama damaged Gojo. Thus BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama>>>Gojo. Thus the bold makes no sense. "hurr senjutsu" "hurr negate ninjutsu" is completely irrelevant when:

-Gojo is not Ninjutsu.
-Obito couldn't negate Ninjutsu.

It's really that simple. Some dumb kid would've been able to put two and two together to see how my argument connects to your foolish claim by now.
 

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Not a rat's ass is given about post 32.



This is the stupidity that I'm addressing. Gudo Dama tanked Gojo. BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama damaged Gojo. Thus BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama>>>Gojo. Thus the bold makes no sense. "hurr senjutsu" "hurr negate ninjutsu" is completely irrelevant when:

-Gojo is not Ninjutsu.
-Obito couldn't negate Ninjutsu.

It's really that simple. Some dumb kid would've been able to put two and two together to see how my argument connects to your foolish claim by now.

The quote mentions nothing of Gudo.
 

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The quote mentions nothing of Gudo.

Smh. Are you really this daft? I literally broke it down for you and yet you are still saying nonsense like this?

-You claimed:

anyone can argue any character, that isn't Juubi level durability, can take on this blast.

-Yet it failed to damage the Gudo Dama.

-The same Gudo Dama that BSM Naruto's BD damaged.

-Thus BSM Naruto's BD>>>Gojo.

-Thus the claim that no one who isn't juubi level durability can take the blast is an idiotic claim to say the least.

I really hope that I don't have to make this clearer.
 

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Smh. Are you really this daft? I literally broke it down for you and yet you are still saying nonsense like this?

-You claimed:



-Yet it failed to damage the Gudo Dama.

-The same Gudo Dama that BSM Naruto's BD damaged.

-Thus BSM Naruto's BD>>>Gojo.

-Thus the claim that no one who isn't juubi level durability can take the blast is an idiotic claim to say the least.

I really hope that I don't have to make this clearer.

Lol no that dont mean s***. Your trying to add something irrelevant to invalidate it. I dont give two **** about what Gudo can tank or not. It has nothing to do with Juubi's own durability.
 

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Lol no that dont mean s***. Your trying to add something irrelevant to invalidate it. I dont give two **** about what Gudo can tank or not. It has nothing to do with Juubi's own durability.

Lmao, you are easily the biggest retard in this section right now. You claimed that Gojo is so strong that if you don't have durability on par with the Juubi, you get obliterated. So tell me dumbfuck. How the hell does that make any sense when it's not even stronger than BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama? Which is proven by the fact that one damaged the Gudo Dama while the other didn't. Or do you need Juubi level durability to tank BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama now? Go on clown. I'm waiting.

Smh. ****ing kids these days. If you are trying to save face because you've realized that you have no counter argument and that you've made yourself sound like a retard this whole time, I suggest you stop it.
 
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Lmao, you are easily the biggest retard in this section right now. You claimed that Gojo is so strong that if you don't have durability on par with the Juubi, you get obliterated. So tell me dumbfuck. How the hell does that make any sense when it's not even stronger than BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama? Which is proven by the fact that one damaged the Gudo Dama while the other didn't. Or do you need Juubi level durability to tank BSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama now? Go on clown. I'm waiting.

Smh. ****ing kids these days. If you are trying to save face because you've realized that you have no counter argument and that you've made yourself sound like a retard this whole time, I suggest you stop it.

And yet, not only your crying with more straw-men your still adding connections that irrelevant to my main points. Repeating Gudo encountering isn't going to change the point. So I guess you stop crying over it. And n*igga I aint no kid.
 

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And yet, not only your crying with more straw-men your still adding connections that irrelevant to my main points. Repeating Gudo encountering isn't going to change the point. So I guess you stop crying. And n*igga I aint no kid.

Lmao, what a dumbass kid. Not only can you not explain why this connection isn't legit, all you are doing at this point is trying to save face. You keep whining about how "Gudo Dama is irrelevant" when the Gudo Dama comparison proves that Gojo is weaker than Bijuu Dama. And instead of explaining why you believe the connection is irrelevant, you throw around terms you clearly don't understand (Learn how to use the term "strawman" kid) and you basically repeat the same thing over and over and over instead of adding anything useful to the discussion. Just like a punk ass kid.

BSM Bijuu Dama>Gojo, yet somehow Gojo can only be tanked by people who have Juubi Level durability? Gudo Dama is irrelevant even though the fact that it can block Gojo but can't block Bijuu Dama proves that Bijuu Dama>Gojo, which proves that you don't need Juubi level durability to tank it? Please explain how you make sense, because anyone who wasn't born yesterday knows that you sound stupid as all hell. Maybe your grasp of the English language isn't good enough to comprehend my posts.....so I'll simplify it in a way that even a fucking primate could understand.



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2nd>1st.

This false.

anyone can argue any character, that isn't Juubi level durability, can take on this blast.

Because .

Can be tank.

By something.

Far less.

Durable.

Than.

The Juubi.

You should be able to figure the rest out yourself............is what I would say were you not such an incompetent clown.

And n*igga I aint no kid.

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-Grammar is on par with that of a kid's.
-Reasoning is on par with that of a kid's.
-Reading Comprehension is below that of a kid's. My friend's pet dog probably would've understood this by now.

Lmao. Kids these days. Retarded reply (or maybe no reply) from EjBlack in 3...2...1.......
 

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Its irrelevant to bring up Gudo base on the fact that we have jutsu we seen it take on. If I have to use Gudo as an example then I would have to say the SM Odama Rasengan > BSM TBB> EE. I would have to say Quad Juubidama is inferior to Naruto's and Sasuke's. ABC logic can't work with Gudodama, so its irrelevant to try and evaluate it to disprove my point
 

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Its irrelevant to bring up Gudo base on the fact that we have jutsu we seen it take on. If I have to use Gudo as an example then I would have to say the SM Odama Rasengan > BSM TBB> EE. I would have to say Quad Juubidama is inferior to Naruto's and Sasuke's. ABC logic can't work with Gudodama, so its irrelevant to try and evaluate it to disprove my point

Smh. About goddamn time you took your head out of your ass and actually explained yourself. Too bad you are still wrong and still make no sense.

1. Don't ever mention Quad Juubidama again. It was NEGATED. There is no inconsistency. Stop trying to create one. You look foolish here.

2. Stop mentioning EE. It's been explained twice, in two different ways. An air cannon that isn't focused will not deal damage to the Gudo Dama shield. Either that, or it was negated because it's not Senjutsu, or the air cannon simply isn't strong enough, which also has to do with it's lack of focus. That's why Madara got hit and only got a chipped forehead guard.

3. Why the actual **** would SM Oodama Rasengan be stronger? The shield Obito used on that Rasengan was made of one Gudo Dama. The shield Obito used on the Bijuu Dama was larger and he used ALL of his Gudo Dama. So this is completely irrelevant.

Please think before you reply. You keep ignoring Manga fact and trying to make up shit like "inconsistencies" so you can have a reason to ignore what the Manga has spelled out. ABC logic works. You are trying to take instances where the attack was negated or wouldn't damage it for other reasons to give yourself an excuse to toss out conclusive proof.
 

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2. Stop mentioning EE. It's been explained twice, in two different ways. An air cannon that isn't focused will not deal damage to the Gudo Dama shield. Either that, or it was negated because it's not Senjutsu, or the air cannon simply isn't strong enough, which also has to do with it's lack of focus. That's why Madara got hit and only got a chipped forehead guard.

EE is focused thats a fact. Madara can't split it like AT. EE cant explode its strictly a very powerful canon, that wont loses its shape. Manga states Taijutsu and Senjutsu works. If you dont think EE is strong enough is to admit its inferior to Rasengan. It can't be neglected so thats your only options of belief.

3. Why the actual **** would SM Oodama Rasengan be stronger? The shield Obito used on that Rasengan was made of one Gudo Dama. The shield Obito used on the Bijuu Dama was larger and he used ALL of his Gudo Dama. So this is completely irrelevant.

I dont think I do. But base on your premise you want me to interpret it that way. Your claims of one Gudo is baseless. Obito made Gudo arms, each the same size. We know Obito didn't lose any Gudo so he split them 50/50 for Gudo arms. Obito change the Gudo arms into a Sheild and Sword.


Please think before you reply. You keep ignoring Manga fact and trying to make up shit like "inconsistencies" so you can have a reason to ignore what the Manga has spelled out. ABC logic works. You are trying to take instances where the attack was negated or wouldn't damage it for other reasons to give yourself an excuse to toss out conclusive proof.

I just checked Viz translation. Using Hiruzen statement is also improper. This is what he stated: "he's solid and swift" "And he has an atttack that tuns all to dust in an instant"

So you can drop your improper translation to support your claims here.
 

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EE is focused thats a fact.

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THAT is the size of the air cannon compared to Madara's shield. That's not focused. If EE's energy was all focused on the shield, you wouldn't see the air cannon going past him, dwarfing said shield.


Madara can't split it like AT. EE cant explode its strictly a very powerful canon, that wont loses its shape.

That's irrelevant.

Manga states Taijutsu and Senjutsu works.

On Madara's body. Not the Gudo Dama. Minato even told Gai not to touch them. Hirudora was obliterated by Madara swinging his staff, despite the fact that Hirudora is stronger than the impact of him swinging his staff.


If you dont think EE is strong enough is to admit its inferior to Rasengan. It can't be neglected so thats your only options of belief.
Addressed.

I dont think I do. But base on your premise you want me to interpret it that way. Your claims of one Gudo is baseless. Obito made Gudo arms, each the same size. We know Obito didn't lose any Gudo so he split them 50/50 for Gudo arms. Obito change the Gudo arms into a Sheild and Sword.
Smh. Why don't you read the Manga? What the hell are you even talking about here? Bold is not relevant.



One Gudo Dama is being shot forward and changed into a shield. Not to mention that shield is smaller than the below shield.



You can see more than one Gudo Dama coming together to form this shield, which is also much bigger.

So this SM Rasengan business is irrelevant.


I just checked Viz translation. Using Hiruzen statement is also improper. This is what he stated: "he's solid and swift" "And he has an atttack that tuns all to dust in an instant"

So you can drop your improper translation to support your claims here.

Wow. You can't be serious. He is STILL referring to the Gudo Dama here. Hence the term "solid". Manga outright shows him tanking the explosion with his Gudo Dama. There is no translation you can bring that'll invalidate the pictures Kishimoto draws.

Or are you going to claim that the Gudo Dama were there for show and that Obito tanked the explosion with his body? Cause that'd only make your argument even worse than it already is.

Cause then you'd have to admit that Obito can tank that despite him being able to be hurt by a Rasengan. And no, he did not have Onmyodon then. So don't mention negation. None of this changes the fact that you have no argument besides the "disintegrate the attack" BS that has no basis whatsoever.
 
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