War Arc Sasuke vs War Arc Naruto (CQC)

[Zee U]

Various matches, details below:

Location: Waterfall of truth
Distance: 10 meters
Mindset: Bloodlusted
Intel: Manga
Restrictions: 3T and above, any ninjutsu, any mode (SM included), any aid from Kurama. Sasuke doesn't get his Katana.

S2: Sasuke gets his Katana, Naruto has a maximum of 4 KBs.
S3: Sasuke gets 3T (and his katana), Naruto gets SM, no KBs.
S4: Sasuke gets EMS (and katana), Naruto gets SM and can use x KBs going by his pre rikudou SM feats.
S5: Naruto can go KCM, no ninjutsu at all though.

 

[lucario14]

s1: Naruto gets beat
s2: Naruto gets beat
s3: Sasuke gets beat
s4: Naruto gets beat
s5: If Naruto can use chakra arms, he wins comfortably. If not, he still wins because of his stamina.

 

[KidGamer65]

S1 is canonically a tie.

S2: Sasuke gets his Katana, Naruto has a maximum of 4 KBs.

Naruto beats him. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty much going against canon since Base Naruto can match Sasuke in CQC on his own w/o Sharingan. Give Sasuke his sword, and give Naruto 4 clones and he still beats Sasuke's ass.

S3: Sasuke gets 3T (and his katana), Naruto gets SM, no KBs.

Naruto beats him. Sage Sensing gives him better precognitive abilities than 3-Tomoe Sharingan, and Frog Kata=Sasuke's death since he can't see it nor will he be able to evade it.

S4: Sasuke gets EMS (and katana), Naruto gets SM and can use x KBs going by his pre rikudou SM feats.

EMS isn't going to make up for anything here when Naruto still has SM and clones. He wins.

S5: Naruto can go KCM, no ninjutsu at all though.

Sasuke would probably win this one, but it depends on if he can pierce Naruto with his blade. If he can't, he loses.

 

[Rιver]

S1 is canonically a tie.



Naruto beats him. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty much going against canon since Base Naruto can match Sasuke in CQC on his own w/o Sharingan. Give Sasuke his sword, and give Naruto 4 clones and he still beats Sasuke's ass.



Naruto beats him. Sage Sensing gives him better precognitive abilities than 3-Tomoe Sharingan, and Frog Kata=Sasuke's death since he can't see it nor will he be able to evade it.


EMS isn't going to make up for anything here when Naruto still has SM and clones. He wins.




Sasuke would probably win this one, but it depends on if he can pierce Naruto with his blade. If he can't, he loses.

Didn't Sasuke take them out with Chidori? He could just use his katana for that.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

S1. Sasuke wins. Well Rested Sasuke still >>>>> Base Naruto in speed.
S2. Sasuke wins. Same reason as above
S3. Naruto wins. SM Naruto speed almost = Sasuke. SM > 3T.
S4. Is ninjutsu still disallowed? If So, Naruto wins, EMS just gives higher precog. SM and frog kata takes this. With Ninjutsu, Sasuke wins clearly
S5. Naruto wins. KCM Naruto blitzes Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

Didn't Sasuke take them out with Chidori? He could just use his katana for that.

He had Sharingan. Humongous performance booster.

 

[Lariatoo]

Yeah... S1 is canonically a tie.
Dunno about the others...

 

[TRE MERCER]

S1 is canonically a tie.



Naruto beats him. Anyone saying otherwise is pretty much going against canon since Base Naruto can match Sasuke in CQC on his own w/o Sharingan. Give Sasuke his sword, and give Naruto 4 clones and he still beats Sasuke's ass.



Naruto beats him. Sage Sensing gives him better precognitive abilities than 3-Tomoe Sharingan, and Frog Kata=Sasuke's death since he can't see it nor will he be able to evade it.


EMS isn't going to make up for anything here when Naruto still has SM and clones. He wins.




Sasuke would probably win this one, but it depends on if he can pierce Naruto with his blade. If he can't, he loses.

There vote fight shouldn't be used as an example because they both were already beaten and battered. Plus Kurama grants Naruto some sort of healing powers.​

 

[KidGamer65]

There vote fight shouldn't be used as an example because they both were already beaten and battered. Plus Kurama grants Naruto some sort of healing powers.​

They were in the same physical state after receiving the same amount of damage. Remove said damage and they'll still be equal. Naruto has accelerated healing because Kurama is inside of him. That's not restricted. "Aid from Kurama" isn't a restriction on this since this is automatic, Kurama doesn't actively heal him. Besides, Naruto's condition never got better in the Manga.

 

[TRE MERCER]

They were in the same physical state after receiving the same amount of damage. Remove said damage and they'll still be equal. Naruto has accelerated healing because Kurama is inside of him. That's not restricted. "Aid from Kurama" isn't a restriction on this since this is automatic, Kurama doesn't actively heal him. Besides, Naruto's condition never got better in the Manga.

Everything in there cqc battle was in favor of Naruto. He had better body durability and there's Kurama acute healing factor further more some can take pain better than others. But i guess i pretty much agree.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Everything in there cqc battle was in favor of Naruto. He had better body durability and there's Kurama acute healing factor further more some can take pain better than others. But i guess i pretty much agree.​

-Naruto is not more durable than Base Sasuke. That's an assumption.
-Kurama wasn't healing him as his condition didn't get any better.
-Yet him and Sasuke still collapsed at the same time.

 

[Zee U]

Mmm, i restrict Frog Kata considering it isn't technically taijutsu but NE, and i remove any KB usage in S4. Chakra arms are obviously not allowed too.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then Sasuke beats SM Naruto in 4.

 

[Unorthodox]

They were in the same physical state after receiving the same amount of damage. Remove said damage and they'll still be equal. Naruto has accelerated healing because Kurama is inside of him. That's not restricted. "Aid from Kurama" isn't a restriction on this since this is automatic, Kurama doesn't actively heal him. Besides, Naruto's condition never got better in the Manga.

But Naruto used clones so it they're were restricted he would be defeated.


OT
Sasuke wins 1

Sasuke wins 2 - He's faster than Naruto regarless 4 clones are not making up for naruto lack of speed.

Sasuke wins 3 - SM naruto was nearly blitz by Madara who Sasuke with katana was pressuring

Sasuke wins 4 - EMS can read juubi jinz movements SM naruto has no chance at all.

Sasuke wins 5 - His katana pierce adult Naruto KMC Naruto gets ruined.

 

[KidGamer65]

But Naruto used clones so it they're were restricted he would be defeated.


OT
Sasuke wins 1

Sasuke wins 2 - He's faster than Naruto regarless 4 clones are not making up for naruto lack of speed.

Sasuke wins 3 - SM naruto was nearly blitz by Madara who Sasuke with katana was pressuring

Sasuke wins 4 - EMS can read juubi jinz movements SM naruto has no chance at all.

Sasuke wins 5 - His katana pierce adult Naruto KMC Naruto gets ruined.

Naruto used clones while Sasuke had Sharingan active. When it was no Sharingan, Naruto never used clones.

 

[Unorthodox]

Naruto used clones while Sasuke had Sharingan active. When it was no Sharingan, Naruto never used clones.

Sharingan does = clones

 

[KidGamer65]

Sharingan does = clones

I know, that's why he loses Scenario 2, cause he doesn't have Sharingan but Naruto has clones.

 

[Unorthodox]

I know, that's why he loses Scenario 2, cause he doesn't have Sharingan but Naruto has clones.

Not what i meant Base naruto is not as fast as base Sasuke so that vote fight is not accurate child Clones are blitz off

 

[Raykyryn]

Base Naruto's and EMS Sasuke's movement speed were canonically the same ,in cqc theyre equal if both are in base, but Sasuke failed to counter base Narutos striking on many occassions so naruto wins if he plays his cards right in scen 1 and 2, don't care about the rest.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not what i meant Base naruto is not as fast as base Sasuke so that vote fight is not accurate child Clones are blitz off

Which is irrelevant since Base Sasuke is only faster via Shunshin. Ninjutsu is restricted. Not to mention Sasuke had access to that at VoTE, yet he couldn't blitz Naruto.