JJ Madara vs JJ Obito

[lucario14]

Condition: Obito has kamui so he can phase through objects.
Obito has same amount of tailed beasts as Madara (1-8.5).
Madara has two rinnegans, Obito has one.

 

[Strict]

Can Obito phase through objects? If yes, he wins, if not, he doesn't.

 

[lucario14]

Can Obito phase through objects? If yes, he wins, if not, he doesn't.

Sorry. Yes he can I'll change the OP.

 

[Strict]

Yeah, then he wins. As there is nothing Madara can do to harm Obito. With the Rinnegan, he sees Limbo and in addition he has Rikudo Senjutsu to sense them. And nothing else Madara uses can harm Obito. PS can't as well.

 

[ARGUS]

Yeah, then he wins. As there is nothing Madara can do to harm Obito. With the Rinnegan, he sees Limbo and in addition he has Rikudo Senjutsu to sense them. And nothing else Madara uses can harm Obito. PS can't as well.

What the hell,
madaras TSB were canonically stated to be faster than Obitos kamui movements,
and he outright stated that his Limbo is even faster,
obito being able to see Limbos doesnt make any difference at all, when they still gang bang him the second he solidifies to attack,

Limbo from RT Madara was strong enough to knock back all the bijuu,
now we have 4 limbos from JJ madara against Juubito who is already shown to be weak against senjutsu,

madara is faster than him, physically stronger than him and has canonically been stated to be superior to obito,

 

[Strict]

What the hell,
madaras TSB were canonically stated to be faster than Obitos kamui movements,
and he outright stated that his Limbo is even faster,
obito being able to see Limbos doesnt make any difference at all, when they still gang bang him the second he solidifies to attack,

Limbo from RT Madara was strong enough to knock back all the bijuu,
now we have 4 limbos from JJ madara against Juubito who is already shown to be weak against senjutsu,

madara is faster than him, physically stronger than him and has canonically been stated to be superior to obito,

False. TSB is faster than Kamui's teleportation with a single eye. Intangibility =/= teleportation. Intangibility means that he overlaps with an object as soon as he touches it. Intangibility is a lot faster and plus, as Juubi's Jinchuriki his reflexes and reactions are far greater. And as he can see Limbo, he can react even better.

Kakashi phased through Kaguya's Ash bones at max speed and Kaguya is >>> Madara in speed considering she was stronger than ever before according to BZ. And Kakashi only got a piece of Rikudo Chakra, Obito however has a greater amount of Rikudo Chakra as a Juubi Jinchuriki and thus a better reaction.

There is no doubt Obito phases through TSB, Limbo (which he can see and sense) and PS.

 

[ARGUS]

False. TSB is faster than Kamui's teleportation with a single eye. Intangibility =/= teleportation. Intangibility means that he overlaps with an object as soon as he touches it.

Point. though I already know that

Intangibility is a lot faster and plus, as Juubi's Jinchuriki his reflexes and reactions are far greater. And as he can see Limbo, he can react even better.

Ok, but it seems that youre under the impression that madara woudl just throw around his attacks which is just an assertion

Kakashi phased through Kaguya's Ash bones at max speed and Kaguya is >>> Madara in speed considering she was stronger than ever before according to BZ.

Just because kaguya is faster than madara, doesnt mean that her ash bones are faster than everything in his arsenal,
that assumption makes no sense, and is completely irrelevant

And Kakashi only got a piece of Rikudo Chakra, Obito however has a greater amount of Rikudo Chakra as a Juubi Jinchuriki and thus a better reaction.

except that doesnt suggest that obito is faster than madara,
all it suggests that obito can phase through ash bones, which isnt even that much of a speed feat considering that kamui warp speed was canonically shown to be able to warp the ash bones coming out of kaguyas portals
yet it barely scraped out madaras TSB

There is no doubt Obito phases through TSB, Limbo (which he can see and sense) and PS.

Except madara isnt just throwing around his attacks,
just like minato he would be aiming for the time obito solidifes to attack, not only that but madara is much faster than obito, and has 4 of his limbo clones to ensure that he lands his attacks,
and in CQC obito gets manhandled by madara completely

Obito isnt outlastiing madara seeing how madara is a more complete form of juubi,
he has no chance of landing a single hit on madara, and any time he attempts to attack,
he is open for attacks that are faster than his kamui, such as Limbo and ST,

his TBB get negated by onmyoudon so that isnt helping either.

so far your only argument for obito winning is that he phases through madaras attacks, where the latter is just attacking and missing

 

[TRE MERCER]

What the hell,
madaras TSB were canonically stated to be faster than Obitos kamui movements,
and he outright stated that his Limbo is even faster,
obito being able to see Limbos doesnt make any difference at all, when they still gang bang him the second he solidifies to attack,

Limbo from RT Madara was strong enough to knock back all the bijuu,
now we have 4 limbos from JJ madara against Juubito who is already shown to be weak against senjutsu,

madara is faster than him, physically stronger than him and has canonically been stated to be superior to obito,

@BOLD- Madara said that himself and then was later proved wrong when Kamui out-speeded it. Uhh no not when he has TSB's protecting him. Limbo's are simply blocked or sniped. Juubito shown to be weak against Senjutsu that goes for all Juubi Jins so that was meaningless to say. The speed gab isn't enough to constantly make him blitz Obito. KM Naruto is clearly faster than Itachi but can he blitz him easy nope... Madara TSB's are sniped and then he's obliterated via Juubidama's.

Also Kakashi with Kurama chakra boost was able to snipr the entire Juubi. Obito being a Juubi Jin means his chakra shits on that of Kakashi plus it will be rikkudo inhanced. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito beating Madara just because he can phase is probably the worst form of wank I'll see today. Not sure what the clown above me is talking about considering OP never gave him Kakashi's eye, he gave him the ability to use his own eye at it's full power.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

madara beats everybody, making vs threads about him is useless, since we already know the answer.. madara stomps.

 

[NarutoX28]

False. TSB is faster than Kamui's teleportation with a single eye. Intangibility =/= teleportation. Intangibility means that he overlaps with an object as soon as he touches it. Intangibility is a lot faster and plus, as Juubi's Jinchuriki his reflexes and reactions are far greater. And as he can see Limbo, he can react even better.

Intangibility is a lot faster, but he was canonically stated to be inferior to One-Eyed Juubidara (Pre-Shinju) and considering this is Dual-Eyed Juubidara (Post-Shinju) most likely, there's no way Juubito can win this as he's forced to become tangible in order to strike.

Kakashi phased through Kaguya's Ash bones at max speed and Kaguya is >>> Madara in speed considering she was stronger than ever before according to BZ. And Kakashi only got a piece of Rikudo Chakra, Obito however has a greater amount of Rikudo Chakra as a Juubi Jinchuriki and thus a better reaction.

We have to chalk that up to plot unfortunately because there's honestly no reason why Kakashi with Obito's Chakra + some Rikudou Chakra is above Juubito when he lacks Juubi Jin Chakra and a Rinnegan which would yield a far bigger boost than what Kakashi received. Even then, Juubito wouldn't have the advantage that DMS Kakashi in terms of Kamui usage considering his Rinnegan is composed of Hagoromo's Chakra, not Obito's own Yin-Release meaning he wouldn't have access to Kamui in that eye. If he did, then logically Madara receiving the Rinnegan implanted in Obito's eye would have granted him Kamui yet that never happened despite being one of the most haxed techniques in the entire manga.

There is no doubt Obito phases through TSB, Limbo (which he can see and sense) and PS.

Obito wouldn't have PS as he wouldn't have access to 2 Eyes that have awakened the MS Chakra needed in order to activate PS.

Obito can phase through TSB and Limbo, but he's simply vastly inferior to Dual-Eyed Juubidara (Post-Shinju), so the moment he counterattacks, he's dead.

 

[Ansatsuken]

JJ Obito take this. Kamui gave Obito advantage

 

[NarutoX28]

JJ Obito take this. Kamui gave Obito advantage

What happens when he becomes tangible?

 

[Ansatsuken]

What happens when he becomes tangible?

You know the answer right?

But when I think back Madara with 4 limbo clones overwhelme JJ Obito

 

[NarutoX28]

You know the answer right?

But when I think back Madara with 4 limbo clones overwhelme JJ Obito

Yeah, Juubidara simply rapes him. Juubito doesn't have the reflexes to counter-attack Juubidara after Kamui.

 

[EZQ]

Limbo is still too much for Obito.