[VS] Luffy vs Kid

[Punk Hazard]

The difference is that in G4 Luffy can overwhelm Doffy on his own
Law's gamma knife is basically a 2 man exclusive attack
In gear 4 (scrap that) I'm just gonna say Luffy from now on, cause people seem to think g4 is another person
Luffy his strength is overwhelmingly more powerfull than Doffy's
Doffy who specializes in kicks could do no damage to Luffy anymore because he remained rubbery while having Koka on
His awakened ocean of strings failed to do any noteable damage to a base Luffy who was already exhausted and received a ton of damage before
The only thing Doffy has going for him is dodging untill Luffy runs out of juice and it's questionable if he could

Yeah, that's not true. Doflamingo's strings, which you're claiming did no damage, pierced through his Haki and drew blood.

You can't say Luffy is better because Law landed GK due to tag team when the only reason Luffy beat Doflamingo was because Law weakened him and Gatz and his friends/fighters kept Luffy safe and hid him from Doflamingo during the cooldown.

You also can't say Luffy would overwhelm Doflamingo when we've only seen him do so to severely weakened Doflamingo.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Yeah, that's not true. Doflamingo's strings, which you're claiming did no damage, pierced through his Haki and drew blood.

You can't say Luffy is better because Law landed GK due to tag team when the only reason Luffy beat Doflamingo was because Law weakened him and Gatz and his friends/fighters kept Luffy safe and hid him from Doflamingo during the cooldown.

You can though. Both Luffy and Doffy were implied to be as fatigued as each other just before G4 was introduced. Yet with G4 Luffy dominated Doffy.

Law never dominated Doffy. Yeah he got a few hits in, but so did Luffy before that in base/G2.

Edit: Given the ridiculous endurance of both Luffy and Doffy, you cannot say that the fatigue either one of them felt was responsible for the level of dominance G4 Luffy had over Doffy. Their endurance is so high that their fighting prowess barely drops, even when completely worn out. That small drop can't account for how much stronger G4 was shown to be.

Double Edit: G4 Luffy beat down an Awakened Doffy, Law got rekt by a normal Doffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can though. Both Luffy and Doffy were implied to be as fatigued as each other just before G4 was introduced. Yet with G4 Luffy dominated Doffy.

Law never dominated Doffy. Yeah he got a few hits in, but so did Luffy before that in base/G2.

Yeah. Luffy riding on a bull, then a horse, then getting punched by someone he can easily one-shot equals getting your organs destroyed.

I don't understand why you're making that a point when Luffy's before G4 did nothing.

Take away Gatz, the other fighters, and Law. Make it nothing but Luffy vs Doflamingo. Who'd have won that fight? Take away EVERYONE who kept Luffy safe and hidden while Doflamingo was walking and he was laying on the ground like a noodle. How would Luffy have won then? Try to imagine this, but without the extra damage from Gamma Knife, which notably weakened his powers and ability. Who'd have won then?

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Yeah. Luffy riding on a bull, then a horse, then getting punched by someone he can easily one-shot equals getting your organs destroyed.

I don't understand why you're making that a point when Luffy's before G4 did nothing.

Take away Gatz, the other fighters, and Law. Make it nothing but Luffy vs Doflamingo. Who'd have won that fight?

Take away Luffy, and Law would still be in Kairoseki chains. I don't see your point.

Just because Doffy would have beaten both Law and Luffy separately, it doesn't mean Luffy=Law.

My point about their endurance still stands imo. We saw no drop in fighting capability before and after Gamma Knife, in fact if anything his fighting capability increased with the awakening.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Take away Luffy, and Law would still be in Kairoseki chains. I don't see your point.

Just because Doffy would have beaten both Law and Luffy separately, it doesn't mean Luffy=Law.

My point about their endurance still stands imo. We saw no drop in fighting capability before and after Gamma Knife, in fact if anything his fighting capability increased with the awakening.

1. So I take it you believe Luffy>Jozu in brute strength?

2. Prior to GK, Doflamingo could casually swat away a Jet Pistol and Gear 2's speed was nothing to him. After GK, he couldn't see Jet Bazooka till it was at his chest. You'd think with the amount of times I've had to point this out in this forum, it'd be common knowledge by now. There's an obvious drop in Doffy's abilities due to GK.

 

[Bogard]

20 minutes of Gear 4 beat down did no better than Gamma Knife. Their capabilities are on par.

Difference being, he needed to

1- Sacrifice his life span with the gigantic room
2- Have luck(with Doffy missing his vitals)
3- Play dead
4- Luffy's help

All this to land gamma knife of Doflamingo when G4 Luffy was beating Doffy up on his own in 4-5hits

 

[Punk Hazard]

Difference being, he needed to

1- Sacrifice his life span with the gigantic room
2- Have luck(with Doffy missing his vitals)
3- Play dead
4- Luffy's help

All this to land gamma knife of Doflamingo when G4 Luffy was beating Doffy up on his own in 4-5hits

Yeah, except Luffy needed Doffy to be weakened by Law first to do all that. And then needed a few dozen people's help to beat Doffy for good.

Doffy is not a good medium for comparing Law and Luffy because Luffy's performance against Doffy had so many outside influences. If it was 1 vs 1, Luffy would have been merked just as much as Law was.

 

[Bogard]

Yeah, except Luffy needed Doffy to be weakened by Law first to do all that. And then needed a few dozen people's help to beat Doffy for good.

Doesn't matter if he was weakened. The Doflamingo Luffy faced was far more serious and stronger version than the one Law faced with awakening and all other stuffs. And technically, Doffy would have been KO'd even before running out the first time if he didn't wasted time talking to citizens

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doesn't matter if he was weakened. The Doflamingo Luffy faced was far stronger and serious than the one Law faced with awakening and all other stuffs. And technically, Doffy would have been KO'd even before running out the first time if he didn't wasted time talking to citizens

El oh el. Doffy with organs in ribbons and near death>Doffy at 100%. Excellent deduction.

I take it you are also of the opinion Luffy's physical strength exceeds Jozu's?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. So I take it you believe Luffy>Jozu in brute strength?

2. Prior to GK, Doflamingo could casually swat away a Jet Pistol and Gear 2's speed was nothing to him. After GK, he couldn't see Jet Bazooka till it was at his chest. You'd think with the amount of times I've had to point this out in this forum, it'd be common knowledge by now. There's an obvious drop in Doffy's abilities due to GK.

When did Doflamingo swat away a Jet Pistol? I only remember him swatting away a regular Gomu Gomu no Pistol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

When did Doflamingo swat away a Jet Pistol? I only remember him swatting away a regular Gomu Gomu no Pistol.

When Luffy was on Ucy. The anime rendered it normal, but in the manga the smoke from Gear 2 could be seen.

 

[Bogard]

El oh el. Doffy with organs in ribbons and near death>Doffy at 100%. Excellent deduction.

I take it you are also of the opinion Luffy's physical strength exceeds Jozu's?

He wasn't near death, you're exaggerating things. He still showed great enough reactions to dodge gear2 attacks(he dodged hawk gatling). Besides, i'm not saying he was stronger with reduced health. I'm saying the version Luffy faced was stronger. Reduced health Doffy with awakening and full power string techniques >>> Dicking around 100% Doflamingo who never went all out on Law(he always had hope for Law to give him immortality) and still owned his ass

 

[Punk Hazard]

He wasn't near death, you're exaggerating things. He still showed great enough reactions to dodge gear2 attacks(he dodged hawk gatling). Besides, i'm not saying he was stronger with reduced health. I'm saying the version Luffy faced was stronger. Reduced health Doffy with awakening and full power string techniques >>> Dicking around 100% Doflamingo who never went all out on Law(he always had hope for Law to give him immortality) and still owned his ass

So, you think Doflamingo with his organs torn to shreds isn't near death? You gonna get more farfetched with each post?

The fact that Jozu was immobile from Parasite but Luffy broke out with sheer strength means one of two things. Luffy has surpassed ol' Diamondhead in strength, or Doffy's powers got weaker from GK. I find the former highly unlikely personally.

 

[Bogard]

So, you think Doflamingo with his organs torn to shreds isn't near death? You gonna get more farfetched with each post?

It's not when you see he still has reactions great enough to dodge gear2 attacks. He said his strings was repairing his organs, so the damage wasn't that great

The fact that Jozu was immobile from Parasite but Luffy broke out with sheer strength means one of two things. Luffy has surpassed ol' Diamondhead in strength, or Doffy's powers got weaker from GK. I find the former highly unlikely personally.

1- We still don't know if Jozu could have broken it or not. He was blocked during a short time frame in a surprised attack and his intentions during the entire scene is unknown. He didn't even seem bothered at all
2- It's possible that the sudden change of form was more responsible in Luffy breaking free than sheer strength

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Is this seriously a debate? BOTH Doffy and Luffy were injured before their final bout and its blatantly obvious that Luffy cant even touch Doffy without Law or G4 and even with G4, Luffy cant beat Doffy quick enough.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

When Luffy was on Ucy. The anime rendered it normal, but in the manga the smoke from Gear 2 could be seen.

I think it was just a regular pistol. Oda has drawn smoke around Luffy's arms whenever he's attacking quite a bit, he even did that before EL when Luffy developed G2. Also, I think Oda would have told them if they messed up that scene before they released the episode.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think it was just a regular pistol. Oda has drawn smoke around Luffy's arms whenever he's attacking quite a bit, he even did that before EL when Luffy developed G2. Also, I think Oda would have told them if they messed up that scene before they released the episode.

They do shit like this all the time. Luffy schooled Caesar, anime made Luffy's Grizzly Magnum struggle a bit. Anime had two Red Hawks against Hody, manga had one. Luffy has no pink skin while in Gear 2 in the manga. Anime excluded Partial Gear 2. Before his fight with Doffy, anime had Sanji spinning for DJ, when he didn't need to post-skip in the manga.

 

[Bogard]

Is this seriously a debate? BOTH Doffy and Luffy were injured before their final bout and its blatantly obvious that Luffy cant even touch Doffy without Law or G4 and even with G4, Luffy cant beat Doffy quick enough.

They were both injured, but between being injured by Bellamy hits and being injured by Law's hax, it's not even comparable. I'd say Luffy was at 90% when Doffy was about 70% at the beginning if not less. But he was far more dangerous, powerful and serious against Luffy with his awakening and other powerful string abilities than he ever was even at 100% when he was dicking around with Law and it's the comparison i was trying to make here to show how in G4, Luffy is simply in a different league than Law. Obviously he can't defeat full health Doffy quick enough at this point with the timelimit though, but it doesn't matter in the comparison between Luffy and Law

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

They do shit like this all the time. Luffy schooled Caesar, anime made Luffy's Grizzly Magnum struggle a bit. Anime had two Red Hawks against Hody, manga had one. Luffy has no pink skin while in Gear 2 in the manga. Anime excluded Partial Gear 2. Before his fight with Doffy, anime had Sanji spinning for DJ, when he didn't need to post-skip in the manga.

Good point, but in the manga Oda has drawn smoke around Luffy's arms when attacking even before the gears were introduced, so it could have been a either a regular pistol or jet pistol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They were both injured, but between being injured by Bellamy hits and being injured by Law's hax, it's not even comparable. I'd say Luffy was at 90% when Doffy was about 70% at the beginning if not less. But he was far more dangerous, powerful and serious against Luffy with his awakening and other powerful string abilities than he ever was even at 100% when he was dicking around with Law and it's the comparison i was trying to make here to show how in G4, Luffy is simply in a different league than Law. Obviously he can't defeat full health Doffy quick enough at this point with the timelimit though, but it doesn't matter in the comparison between Luffy and Law

I'd say he was more near 55%. GK did 45, G4 did 45 and the final King Kong Gun took the final 10%.