(DrProof) - Kidōmaru >>> Tsunade

[Lord Tywin]

lmao you know you're reaching when you compare a damage done to the spine to your brain getting a hole through it.

 

[DrProof]

LMAO. I log on to a shit load of replies. Time to get in some asses.

 

[DrProof]

Why is this being debated when it doesn't change the outcome of the battle?

Soo... After reading the entire thread, full of replies the only thing that really needs to be said is this quote.

The fight doesn't change. She gets an arrow to the skull..

Tsunade can pretty much summon 5% Katsuyu, have it evelope her, and literally plow right through any and every attack Kidomaru throws at her. Not even his CM2 arrows would be effective, because he can't see Tsunade. Once within close range, it's game over. I highly doubt his golden armor defenses is >/= ribcage susano'o. Plus, gold and metal conduct electricity, BPD (which works by transforming chakra into electricity) should penetrate right through it. Without Katsuyu, she surely loses though. Pretty badly.

Disagree. His accuracy is 120% Accurate, all his shots WILL HIT. He can even see through the trees, as seen vs Neji, only missing due to the impact miscalculation.

Katsuyu honestly doesn't protect Tsunade from shit fam.

BPD wouldn't work penetrate through his gold armor fam, not when his reaction time was >> Gentle fist. And Neji's striking speed easily >> Tsunades.

T̶s̶u̶n̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶l̶i̶t̶z̶e̶s̶

With Katsuyu, she wins without difficulty, his gold arrows won't harm her if Katsuyu is here, and then can s̶p̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶l̶i̶t̶z̶ Kidōmaru, without Katsuyu : Kidomaru beats her but he won't hurt her as bad as he did against Neji tho'.

It would be a good fight.

I disagree with the Katsuyu bit. His Arrows would effortlessly hit her. Katsuyu isn't durable, she's still a slug, and has slug properties lol.

 

[Icelerate]

Why are you going out of your way to specifically word ''a regeneration'' user as if you were trying to imply that having regeneration makes your normal human body function different? Do you know what regeneration is? It's renewal or restoration of a body part. It offers literally nothing to your normal bodily functions nor does it give you any kind of durability. If a normal person would die instantly due to some wound then a regeneration user would do, too, and there is nothing regeneration can do about that because regenerating your body parts doesn't bring you back to life. Regeneration isn't revival. You'd be lucky to survive a bullet burying itself into your brain, let alone actually getting that brain ripped open by a big ass arrow hole.

While in Byakogou mode, Tsunade's vitality, which means inability to die, is on a much higher level than without Byakogou so it would take more damage to kill her so what would normally kill her without Byakogou instantly will no longer be instant death. Also there is no such thing as instant death as everything requires time to initiate. Byakugou starts regenerating as damage starts getting applied. No reason why Tsunade would claim herself to be unable to die if she can instantly die just as easily as any other.

Did I claim any of these? You were the one saying "Tsunade is not normal human". So did I with Sasuke. But hey, he still dies.

Sasuke isn't Tsunade. Sasuke can take way more damage than an ordinary human can BTW. If for example it takes a few seconds for a human to die, it will take a few minutes for him to die from the same injury. Don't compare shinobi from a fictional manga with civilians from the real world.

No, you don't. You have this:

"When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they'd normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition."

Do you know what this means? If I beat you to pulp, until you are in severe condition and keep beating you that is pushing to a point where you normally die. Same with stabbing continously. But Tsunade would survive, because she regenerates that immediately. So essentially everytime you punch her, it's like the first time. That's why she's considered very hard to kill. But if I shoot you in the head, it doesn't matter how many times I keep shooting you because you have already died immediately by the first shot. I didn't push you to a point, I outright killed you. Same would happen to Tsunade, because blowing brains out always results in instant death.

The databook didn't say anything about beating someone to a bloody pulp, it talked about receiving wounds that would kill you but will fail to kill you. You shooting me in the head isn't the same as you shooting Tsunade in the head. I doubt I can survive for a period of time after getting sliced into two pieces yet Tsunade did. This was Tsunade without Byakugou which goes to show that Tsunade's vitality (inability to die) is on a higher level than someone who'd instantly die after getting shot in the head.

Kidomaru's arrow wouldn't blow brains out, it leaves a small hole in the head.

She dies if shot in the head. Instantly.

Show me proof that this is the case. On the other hand, Tsunade had a massive hole in her stomach which would have harmed a large number of internal organs yet she survived despite not being able to regenerate due to the sword being stuck in her abdomen. Face it, Tsunade's vitallity in Byakogou>>>>her vitality without Byakogou>>any other shinobi's vitality>>non shinobi.

I know the brain is a much more critical organ but the hole created by an arrow is much much smaller than the hole created by two susanoo swords.

 

[DrProof]

Tsunade can pretty much summon 5% Katsuyu, have it evelope her, and literally plow right through any and every attack Kidomaru throws at her. Not even his CM2 arrows would be effective, because he can't see Tsunade. Once within close range, it's game over. I highly doubt his golden armor defenses is >/= ribcage susano'o. Plus, gold and metal conduct electricity, BPD (which works by transforming chakra into electricity) should penetrate right through it. Without Katsuyu, she surely loses though. Pretty badly.

While in Byakogou mode, Tsunade's vitality, which means inability to die, is on a much higher level than without Byakogou so it would take more damage to kill her so what would normally kill her without Byakogou instantly will no longer be instant death. Also there is no such thing as instant death as everything requires time to initiate. Byakugou starts regenerating the instant damage starts getting applied.

Sasuke isn't Tsunade. Sasuke can take way more damage than an ordinary human can BTW. If for example it takes a few seconds for a human to die, it will take a few minutes for him to die from the same injury. Don't compare shinobi from a fictional manga with civilians from the real world.


The databook didn't say anything about beating someone to a bloody pulp, it talked about receiving wounds that would kill you but will fail to kill you. You shooting me in the head isn't the same as you shooting Tsunade in the head. I doubt I can survive for a period of time after getting sliced into two pieces yet Tsunade did. This was Tsunade without Byakugou which goes to show that Tsunade's vitality (inability to die) is on a higher level than someone who'd instantly die after getting shot in the head.

Kidomaru's arrow wouldn't blow brains out, it leaves a small hole in the head.

Show me proof that this is the case.

Ice... Come on man. If Tsunade is shot in the head with Kidomaru's arrow she's dying. Even Paws agrees. Once your brain is damaged bodily functions stop, as you need you brain to transmit directions to do the said functions.

Kidomaru's arrow would completely blow off her skull, not to mention she cannot dodge them, she doesn't have precog like the Byakugan. She isn't dodging, nor healing from such.

 

[Icelerate]

Ice... Come on man. If Tsunade is shot in the head with Kidomaru's arrow she's dying. Even Paws agrees. Once your brain is damaged bodily functions stop, as you need you brain to transmit directions to do the said functions.

Kidomaru's arrow would completely blow off her skull, not to mention she cannot dodge them, she doesn't have precog like the Byakugan. She isn't dodging, nor healing from such.

My brain would stop because it can't regenerate but Tsunade's case is a different story. She outright stated it causes organs to regenerate. It wasn't stated that the brain was a special exception in the manga nor the databook. Kidomaru's arrow is a piercing attack and would pierce a tiny hole through her skull. It isn't a blunt force attack that would blow off her skull. Tsunade can still hear the whoosh an arrow makes so she punches the ground, causing its trajectory to change.

 

[DrProof]

My brain would stop because it can't regenerate but Tsunade's case is a different story. She outright stated it causes organs to regenerate. It wasn't stated that the brain was a special exception in the manga nor the databook. Kidomaru's arrow is a piercing attack and would pierce a tiny hole through her skull. It isn't a blunt force attack that would blow off her skull. Tsunade can still hear the whoosh an arrow makes so she punches the ground, causing its trajectory to change.

I see you're really hung up on such. I could continue to argue, but the result would be the same; you disagreeing, I saying your wrong etc. So I'll drop it.

However, Kidomaru's arrows do not blow a small hole in the body. That is completely untrue. Neji's shoulder had a decent sized crater, now apply:

I. The speed/force/damage of Kidomaru's arrows
II. Tsunade's Neck/Forehead width

Neji's wound was about/slightly bigger than a baseball. Change the whereabouts to the hole's location, and put that same sized hole either through her forehead, or neck.

Forehead: If aimed here, her whole cranial area, along with partially the top of her face (eyes/nose) would be completely destroyed.
Neck: If aimed here her neck if aimed in the middle would be off-balance, and literally fall off. And as seen when she was bisected she couldn't heal from that.

Either scenario Kidomaru is the winner. But seriously she can't heal from being hit in the brain man.. That's just being TOO Dense lol.

 

[New Dawn]

My brain would stop because it can't regenerate but Tsunade's case is a different story. She outright stated it causes organs to regenerate. It wasn't stated that the brain was a special exception in the manga nor the databook. Kidomaru's arrow is a piercing attack and would pierce a tiny hole through her skull. It isn't a blunt force attack that would blow off her skull. Tsunade can still hear the whoosh an arrow makes so she punches the ground, causing its trajectory to change.

lolz.

 

[ultraChalk]

Tsunade blitz.

In other words, your saying part 1 Neji can beat her. Which is not true.

 

[New Dawn]

After reviewing the comments, this one has come to a conclusion that Kidomaru beats Tsunade. There is no need to continue this pointless debate any further as the Absolute One has pass judgment.

 

[DrProof]

lolz.

Kinda laughed @ that too. Lol.

After reviewing the comments, this one has come to a conclusion that Kidomaru beats Tsunade. There is no need to continue this pointless debate any further as the Absolute One has pass judgment.

God has spoken. I'm done arguing here master.

 

[Bantos]

First off, the scan of her jumping is questionable if they even run directly through the spine, secondly, the nerves can still weakly travel through the sword or around it if its not pierced through it fully width wise, which it doesn't look like it did.

This doesn't make sense at all.

.-. the whole spine wasn't crushed....besides, nerves are micro....so they can heal around the sword most likely.

The nerve cells couldn't get attached to the other nerve cells if this were correct, it would be completely futile to heal the dead cells. It wouldn't allow any movement as the electrical signals couldn't move forward.
When people get into wheelchairs because of their spines it isn't because it's completely crushed.


OP
In all seriousness only thing you have going on now is the fact that you deny Tsunade of her much greater speed feats when compared to Kidomaru. With this distance she can't really lose, I am willing to post scans and support my claim, but I believe you do know which scans I'm talking about.

 

[Rohan]

I can actually see this happening. U_U

 

[DrProof]

This doesn't make sense at all.



The nerve cells couldn't get attached to the other nerve cells if this were correct, it would be completely futile to heal the dead cells. It wouldn't allow any movement as the electrical signals couldn't move forward.
When people get into wheelchairs because of their spines it isn't because it's completely crushed.


OP
In all seriousness only thing you have going on now is the fact that you deny Tsunade of her much greater speed feats when compared to Kidomaru. With this distance she can't really lose, I am willing to post scans and support my claim, but I believe you do know which scans I'm talking about.

Don't know shit of what you're talking about. Tsunade isn't blitzing, get that out of your head. It's all countered.

I can actually see this happening. U_U

Yup, because it would. Inb4 Tsunade blitz bc she's equal to Ayy's speed.

 

[Rιver]

Proof, don't waste your time fam.

 

[DrProof]

Proof, don't waste your time fam.

Yup bro. I'm retiring from arguing here.

 

[Worm]

While in Byakogou mode, Tsunade's vitality, which means inability to die, is on a much higher level than without Byakogou so it would take more damage to kill her so what would normally kill her without Byakogou instantly will no longer be instant death. Also there is no such thing as instant death as everything requires time to initiate. Byakugou starts regenerating as damage starts getting applied. No reason why Tsunade would claim herself to be unable to die if she can instantly die just as easily as any other.

Hidan's vitality, Madara's vitality, etc., which means inability to die, is much higher than anyone else's in this manga aside from Kaguya. What happens when you blow open their brain? They both become brain dead or instantly die - referring to Madara in the second scenario. Tanking shit with your body does not translate into the fact that you can tank brain damage. Especially brain damage on this scale.

Getting your brain blowed a hole through would leave you brain dead instantenously, even killing you ''instantenously''. Much less damage to your brain is capable of killing you ''instantenously''. Byakugo has not shown to be capable of healing brain damage nor has it shown to be fast enough to heal ''instantenous'' death after getting your brain destroyed. Even if you actually attempt to heal your brain, at best, Tsunade will be a vegetable afterwards.

@Bold. Okay, let me get this straight. We are going to use the argumentation that if Tsunade states she is unable to die, then she is unable to die like anyone other? She can heal shit like massive damage to the stomach, heart, etc. which would kill a normal person. Healing does not mean that the concept of instant death or death in general is removed from her.

If we're going to accept Tsunade's words at face value then why aren't we accepting Kakuzu's statement that absolutely no physical attack works on him? ''No reason Kakuzu would state he can tank any physical damage if he actually gets killed by it like normal people.'' Tsunade has shown to have a clear death concept as she was almost killed by Madara until Katsuyu patched her up.

 

[Zexion~]

This doesn't make sense at all.



The nerve cells couldn't get attached to the other nerve cells if this were correct, it would be completely futile to heal the dead cells. It wouldn't allow any movement as the electrical signals couldn't move forward.
When people get into wheelchairs because of their spines it isn't because it's completely crushed.


OP
In all seriousness only thing you have going on now is the fact that you deny Tsunade of her much greater speed feats when compared to Kidomaru. With this distance she can't really lose, I am willing to post scans and support my claim, but I believe you do know which scans I'm talking about.

Bruh, nerves are small enough to form around the sword.


Lets not forget Zabuza who has no special abilities was able to tank quite the beating to his spine as well.

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[Icelerate]

I see you're really hung up on such. I could continue to argue, but the result would be the same; you disagreeing, I saying your wrong etc. So I'll drop it.

You didn't counter any of my arguments to your's.

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However, Kidomaru's arrows do not blow a small hole in the body. That is completely untrue. Neji's shoulder had a decent sized crater, now apply:

I. The speed/force/damage of Kidomaru's arrows
II. Tsunade's Neck/Forehead width

Neji's wound was about/slightly bigger than a baseball. Change the whereabouts to the hole's location, and put that same sized hole either through her forehead, or neck.

Forehead: If aimed here, her whole cranial area, along with partially the top of her face (eyes/nose) would be completely destroyed.
Neck: If aimed here her neck if aimed in the middle would be off-balance, and literally fall off. And as seen when she was bisected she couldn't heal from that.

Either scenario Kidomaru is the winner. But seriously she can't heal from being hit in the brain man.. That's just being TOO Dense lol.

The hole created by the arrow is smaller than the width of her neck so no it isn't going to fall off. Same with the head.

Hidan's vitality, Madara's vitality, etc., which means inability to die, is much higher than anyone else's in this manga aside from Kaguya. What happens when you blow open their brain? They both become brain dead or instantly die - referring to Madara in the second scenario. Tanking shit with your body does not translate into the fact that you can tank brain damage. Especially brain damage on this scale.

Depends if you completely obliterate their brain or not. The arrow is a piercing attack which will pass through and create a hole in a small area, not obliterate her head. Those others you listed also survive the arrow to the head.

Getting your brain blowed a hole through would leave you brain dead instantenously, even killing you ''instantenously''. Much less damage to your brain is capable of killing you ''instantenously''. Byakugo has not shown to be capable of healing brain damage nor has it shown to be fast enough to heal ''instantenous'' death after getting your brain destroyed. Even if you actually attempt to heal your brain, at best, Tsunade will be a vegetable afterwards.

Why are you talking about me and what manga proof do you have that this is the case? Not being shown =/= not being able.

@Bold. Okay, let me get this straight. We are going to use the argumentation that if Tsunade states she is unable to die, then she is unable to die like anyone other? She can heal shit like massive damage to the stomach, heart, etc. which would kill a normal person. Healing does not mean that the concept of instant death or death in general is removed from her.

Depends on the attack but a regular attack isn't instantly killing like it would any other. Still no proof from your part debunking brain damage = instant death nonsense. If Tsunade states she can regenerate any organ without exception, then why would she die instantly from a head injury? If what you are saying were true, Tsunade's statement would be false because it would be impossible to heal brain injuries. Why should I assume a statement from the manga is false before it has been proven false?

If we're going to accept Tsunade's words at face value then why aren't we accepting Kakuzu's statement that absolutely no physical attack works on him? ''No reason Kakuzu would state he can tank any physical damage if he actually gets killed by it like normal people.'' Tsunade has shown to have a clear death concept as she was almost killed by Madara until Katsuyu patched her up.

Physical attacks won't work against him unless they are much stronger than what he has tanked. In Tsunade's case, the attack's power doesn't matter but the injury she receives from the attack. Getting a small hole in the head doesn't seem that big of a deal like getting split in half. Tsunade being able to die doesn't mean she dies as quick or instantaneously as you are claiming.

 

[Kagerou]

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