Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

It got nerfed. Simple as that. When Itachi used it, it could be nigh unbeatable because it was his ace in the hat. Its like the eagles in LOTRs, it solves every problem. It continually burns its target, so it would destroy edo even as they try to reform, anyone the user looks at is dead.

Kish made it weak and dogeable when Sasuke got it, despite going against its original description. Because an undodgeable one hit kill jutsu guaranteed is unbeatable and would have made Sasuke invincible. So it got nerfed in part 2
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

It got nerfed. Simple as that. When Itachi used it, it could be nigh unbeatable because it was his ace in the hat. Its like the eagles in LOTRs, it solves every problem. It continually burns its target, so it would destroy edo even as they try to reform, anyone the user looks at is dead.

Kish made it weak and dogeable when Sasuke got it, despite going against its original description. Because an undodgeable one hit kill jutsu guaranteed is unbeatable and would have made Sasuke invincible. So it got nerfed in part 2
Amaterasu got nerfed the moment he used it in Part 1. Kishimoto had no business making a dojustu that's "as hot as the sun" and "instant". Hyperbole or not it's a reason threads like these aren't cut and dry.

Amaterasu has it's limits just like every other ability and unique perks.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)



Amaterasu got nerfed the moment he used it in Part 1. Kishimoto had no business making a dojustu that's "as hot as the sun" and "instant". Hyperbole or not it's a reason threads like these aren't cut and dry.

Amaterasu has it's limits just like every other ability and unique perks.
The surface of the sun is hardly something to cry about and call this thing hyperbole. Jesus ... And it is instant. Not once has this been refuted.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Oh dear, that clearly flew well over your head:

1- You are the one bringing up those things, not me. Clearly, the burden of expounding upon the near-missed logic of yours falls entirely on your shoulders, not mine. So, how do your worthless examples relate to NE and this argument?
So what is it that you're insinuating that I am claimed because I don't know, just post the quote so I can reply to it, your responses are disorganized

2- For the remaining, hilarious, read above points: Precisely. What do they add to your argument? Absolutely nothing.
Read above

3- You see, here is why you really are not very bright - take notes as to how an analogy is built: Buddha Statue - let's call it BS for short - and Kabuto's Inorganic Transmigration - let's call it IT for short - are quite similar. The cave is IT and exactly works like BS. How? The cave is physical and so is the Buddha statue (in a way, but I'll come to that point later). But what are they fueled by? That's right, NE. Both of them are alive and controlled, because NE, pure NE not Senjutsu chakra, flows through them. NE is their life force, not chakra. Once that NE is damaged, both the techniques got cancelled.

Both of them are damaged by physical attacks; Amaterasu and swords. Now Shockwave (singularity) is not exactly something physical, but regardless for your sake, let's count it with the sword because you are already as helpless as a man can be. Now the main difference happens: BS is a manifestation of NE. It isn't wood like the rest of Hashirama's techniques, you fool. No, it's NE manifested as wood. This is what DB IV has to say on this:

I didn't know that since I don't have access to the DB, I still don't see how this help your argument. Are you also saying that PS swords have the ability to sap NE since it destroyed the buddah statue? I still see no scans indicating that NE was sapped and caused the cave to revert. You're repeating the same nonsense


That NE manifested as wood was hurt by physical attacks and it never recovered. All those parts were NE manifested as wood, just like the Physical Dragon is nothing but NE in Kabuto's White Rake, were destroyed by physical attacks; the life inside it, lost, destroyed. Which is why it was damaged and was cancelled and disappeared when the NE inside it reached its limit:


@Bold
What's your point to this? That's highly irrelvent. Who cares that it didn't recover, it was destroyed. When we it said that NE has the ability to recover. Do you even know what destroyed mean?

In fact this whole post is. I already address that when a technique is overpower and destroyed whatever was fueling that tech is lost as well.



- Do you see any BS here? It has vanished.

Now how does that relate to IT? Life given via NE. The cave was dead. NE gave it life and controlled it. Amaterasu's heat affected NE and the cave died. Just like that BS died after its life force was sapped because of constant attacks. It vanished. So your intangible and the related garbage argumentation is of no consequence to the manga. This isn't real world; it's fiction. NE isn't real. So whatever c*ock and bull story you come up with to validate your weak points won't work, as you have nothing to align it with, as nothing like NE exists in real world. No matter how many times you bring this intangible and physical argument, it will be laughable every single time, as you have nothing in real world to fall back on. Stop making a fool out of yourself then.


I feel like I'm talking in circles
I'm still waiting for a scan proving your conjecture. Kabuto literally said that the heat caused the cave to revert. With no indication whatsoever indicating that it reverted because NE was lost.


No, it's lifeforce wasn't sapped. You're literally pull arguments out of air. In order for Hashi to use BS what has to be activated? SM, in your last scan, do see him With SM? Inantagibilty exist in the manga, I.E Obito so must statement still scans. I'm still waiting for scans that I know you're not going to post with NE being interacted with, seen, touched, smelled, tasted without the use of SM

4- Wait, so ceasing to exist from existence suddenly is not sapping or destruction? Dude, you are an idiot. You pretty much agreed with the thread with that point alone. This back-paddling and face saving is not doing you much good.

Learn how to read, that's not what Dantee or you are saying. You both are claiming that the cave reverted because NE was sapped. I am stating that the NE was lost after the cave reverted, which again is common sense seeing how that happens with jutsu and chakara with techniques that overpower them



5- I literally quoted you in my post. You can't read? Not surprising, given the response.
Your disorganization is confusing me, make your posts more clear


6- No, you didn't. TSBs target chakra, which is life force. Proven by their defenses against all ninjutsu that have a physical form. Chakra has been proven to be a life force, as when the tree sucked it dry, the people died. Their bodies weren't damaged in any manner, but they were killed regardless. Turned to mummies because their life force was sucked dry.

Your physical wounds have no co-relation to my argument. For example, Human Path is fully capable of sucking the soul and Petra Path is ****ing capable of killing the person as well - both techniques suck the life force dry and kill a man. It's like one useless argument from you after another. How old are you anyway?
My age is irrelvent and you agree in the bold that TSB can extingiush Amateratsu? Dandy
The tree and human paths are proven and have been shown to directly effect lifefore. Amateratsu was never shown to sap or effect NE. The sooner you post a scan showing this, the sooner I will withdraw my arguments
How about your organize your retorts so I can actually read them?
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

The surface of the sun is hardly something to cry about and call this thing hyperbole. Jesus ... And it is instant. Not once has this been refuted.
I meant instant in regards to it's ability and speed to reduce whatever it hits into nothingness(ashes)

Not to mention that if it was instant, Ay would have not been able to dodge it. There's a window of opportunity to dodge Amaterasu.

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There's no way Amaterasu is as fast as S/T based Ninjustu.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

The surface of the sun is hardly something to cry about and call this thing hyperbole. Jesus ... And it is instant. Not once has this been refuted.
actually, multiple instances in the war has debunked Amaterasu being instant. The most notable of these instancse is where JJ Obito tells Sasuke why he saw it coming before he ever used it.

And if that doesn't do it, it's been shown in Sasuke's bout against the 4th Raikage that it takes prep.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

The surface of the sun is hardly something to cry about and call this thing hyperbole. Jesus ... And it is instant. Not once has this been refuted.
:lmao:


So tempted to sig this

If you have a air condtioner to keep yourself cool for the summer and you're stating this, you honestly lose all credibility.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

how does it feel to have your own thread clowned?
my thread getting clowed by clowns themselves is just simply entertaining imo :lmao: Show me more.
like a troll who whines about someone being biased but won't/can't prove it?
:lmao: You said you didn't read the thread based on the title alone. You proved it by your posts and accusations. Why are you even here if you can't refute the OP? To troll exactly get a different hobby.
Not about to sit here and repeat the same thing I already did. So I'll ask you, what proof do you have to state Amateratsu affected NE in anyway? NE is intangible and has never been shown to been affected in any way in the manga unless it was absorbed
:lmao: the denial is real. Tell me how a cave feels pain. NE placed in the atmosphere was used to control the cave. Once the heat destroyed it the cave reverted. Databook confirmed, your accusations on the other hand are baseless.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

my thread getting clowed by clowns themselves is just simply entertaining imo :lmao: Show me more.

:lmao: You said you didn't read the thread based on the title alone. You proved it by your posts and accusations. Why are you even here if you can't refute the OP?


:lmao: the denial is real. Tell me how a cave feels pain.
Only people who agree with this shit is sauce faps, besides that you're thread got destroyed and all you do is bring up the same argument.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

my thread getting clowed by clowns themselves is just simply entertaining imo :lmao: Show me more.

:lmao: You said you didn't read the thread based on the title alone. You proved it by your posts and accusations. Why are you even here if you can't refute the OP? To troll exactly get a different hobby.


:lmao: the denial is real. Tell me how a cave feels pain. NE placed in the atmosphere was used to control the cave. Once the heat destroyed it the cave reverted. Databook confirmed, your accusations are baseless.
I already withdrew that claim, are you going to post a scan to back up your folly now?
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

You said you didn't read the thread based on the title alone. You proved it by your posts and accusations. Why are you even here if you can't refute the OP?
i said i didn't bother to read and debunk your supposed evidence. I also said that didn't bother to do the latter because others have already did. I didn't say i couldn't do either, moron. I would insult your reading comprehension skills, but there's clearly no need to do that either.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

It got nerfed. Simple as that. When Itachi used it, it could be nigh unbeatable because it was his ace in the hat. Its like the eagles in LOTRs, it solves every problem. It continually burns its target, so it would destroy edo even as they try to reform, anyone the user looks at is dead.

Kish made it weak and dogeable when Sasuke got it
, despite going against its original description. Because an undodgeable one hit kill jutsu guaranteed is unbeatable and would have made Sasuke invincible. So it got nerfed in part 2
@Bold
Umm not, Sasuke dodged it when Itachi still had it. There are ways around the technique it is in no way a 1 shot jutsu
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Only people who agree with this shit is sauce faps, besides that you're thread got destroyed and all you do is bring up the same argument.
Because it has yet to be debunked. Nips is a sauce fap? O lawd.

I already withdrew that claim, are you going to post a scan to back up your folly now?
So far the only argument you have left is the cave reverted because I say so :lmao:

i said i didn't bother to read and debunk your supposed evidence. I didn't say i couldn't, moron. I would insult your reading comprehension skills, but there's clearly no need to do that either.
Obviously you couldn't do it or else you wouldn't be spewing nonsense about the validity of this thread without even reading. How about making some points instead of simply resorting to insults like the less educated population.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Obviously you couldn't do it or else you wouldn't be spewing nonsense about the validity of this thread without even reading. How about making some points instead of simply resorting to insults like the less educated population.
ask yourself this: if what i said was complete nonsense, then what does it say about you that you got so bothered about it to the point of replying with nothing but insults?


Furthermore, you are absolutely no position whatsoever to get on a soapbox about somebody needing to reply like they have an education. Most of your replies to any subject are those of a "less educated population" as you so eloquently put it...especially when it comes to bashing somebody or wanking the smallest thing Sasuke or Bolt does. And don't think i haven't seen them just because i don't post in said subject.
 
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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Because it has yet to be debunked. Nips is a sauce fap? O lawd.



So far the only argument you have left is the cave reverted because I say so :lmao:



Obviously you couldn't do it or else you wouldn't be spewing nonsense about the validity of this thread without even reading. How about making some points instead of simply resorting to insults like the less educated population.
Nope

Viz Translation of the Dialogue:
Kabuto:"The greatest offensive ocular jutsu can also be the greatest defense. It's so hot the cave's gone back to being a cave."
Kabuto and the manga are telling you why and you just seem to can't accept that
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

ask yourself this: if what i said was complete nonsense, then what does it say about you that you got so bothered about it to the point of replying with nothing but insults?
It says that I'm a person trying to defend my valid claims not let it be ruined by someone who doesn't even read the thread. Btw never insulted you only wanted you to properly make a retort not so sure what you're so upset about in the 1st place.
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Amaterasu doesn't have any weaknesses regardless of the fanfic some member have stated. CT + Enton = Unstoppable
 

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Re: Overlooked feats: Enton >>>> Natural Energy (Mangafacts & proof inside!)

Furthermore, you are absolutely no position whatsoever to get on a soapbox about somebody needing to reply like they have an education. Most of your replies to any subject are those of a "less educated population" as you so eloquently put it...especially when it comes to bashing somebody or wanking the smallest thing Sasuke or Bolt does. And don't think i haven't seen them just because i don't post in said subject.

:lmao: yeah sure. I can easily make up whatever I want about you but you're making yourself look bad enough. You prancing about not reading the thread and not needing to debunk anything. Then you're going out of your way to make this personal is just sad.


Amaterasu doesn't have any weaknesses regardless of the fanfic some member have stated. CT + Enton = Unstoppable
Indeed.
Amateratsu has been extinguished more than once
only by the user and via seals.
 
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