Canonically, Naruto has been noted to be handsome numerous times. Now he has girls over the nation wet for him, stay salty. Also Naruto hair is awesome and most realistic, he looks like a military man or Mafia boss.
I never said that Sasuke's features weren't desirable to women, but here is what you're missing:
1. What you said was totally invalid. For starters even if every female in the manga were to drool after Sasuke, that would suggest that Sasuke was the most heavily sought after by the females of this manga. The key words here are "by the females of this manga". This just means that the author is trying to portray Sasuke as attractive. Even if an author tries to portray a character in a way (such as a symbol of attraction), that doesn't actually mean that said character is an accurate portrayal. Therefore there is no definite "is" or "isn't" good looking whether it is literature or not.
"Is the most heavily sought after by females that know him in the manga" is not the same as "the most good looking in the manga in general".
2. Not all females have drooled over Sasuke anyway. Tsunade, Hinata, Karui, etc... Additionally, Sasuke hasn't even met most or all of the females of this manga to even be considered the most heavily sought after. Let us not forget that people like Kakashi, Gaara, and Itachi have been known to attract females as well. It just isn't shown as much with them because their personal interactions/lives were not as important to the story as Sasuke's Therefore it can't even accurately be said that Sasuke negs everyone in the nv in terms of looks because there are others with the same "attraction feats", others who simply aren't shown as much and even others from different time periods. With people like this, combined with the fact that Sasuke hasn't met all females (as stated before), there is really no basis of comparison with the whole nv. For example, you can't really say that Sasuke > Madara in terms of looks based on the girls Sasuke has attracted because Madara was dead by the time Sasuke was even born. Therefore the girls that Sasuke attracted naturally wouldn't have attracted to Madara because the girls haven't even seen Madara (aside from potentially when he was killing them in the war, in which case looks wouldn't be their concern).
3. I mentioned the hormones because one of the effects of certain hormones in the body is physical attraction.
That is not how sampling is established in a piece of writing. You look at those that are 1) in some way in focus one way or another, 2) their opinions matter within the plot, 3) they are characters that at one point or another held some relevance, 4) and they can be considered mouth-piece of the author, and or 5) certain instances are shown repeatedly even through unimportant characters. Any character that isn't there with a certain factor of prominence, cannot be taken seriously or any factor that is not given prominence through lesser characters even, cannot also be taken seriously. But even then, whatever the author states, you have to abide by it.
Looking at it this way, how many females does it make bar Hinata that found Sasuke very desirable? That makes up for almost every female character that held some sort of prominence and wasn't engaged or in a committed relationship. You are going to renounce everyone's opinion and state you are right? I am not asking you to find Sasuke desirable, but you cannot devalue the author's opinion, because it's his work, his opinion and his illustration of the characters' physical traits that matter solely and completely. Sasuke is desirable, Tsunade is desirable, and even Sakura to an extent - the author has made sure of that through characters.
The portrayal is accurate because of the characters reactions. The reactions are established by the author himself. It's his plot. This isn't a personality trait that you can dissect and establish opinions on; it's a physical one that cannot be challenged under any circumstance. If J.K Rowling showed Snape to be a greasy haired man with a hooked nose, then he is greasy haired with a hooked nose. If she showed that Fleur Delacour is a strikingly beautiful girl because she is a descendant of Veela - nymph like creatures with ethereal beauty - then she is exceptionally beautiful. If Tolkien established that Elves are beautiful beings, then they are beautiful beings. How do we know this? Because others comment that Snape was average looking with less desirable physical attributes.
Because boys in the dormitories gawked at Fleur when she passed by them. Are you going to negate everyone's opinion then, that Snape has less than desirable / average physical traits and Fleur is ordinary looking because you don't like blonde girls, for example? What are you going to base this on? Because Tolkien states so in his mythos of Middle Earth. Is there any counter opinion in these sources to validate the claim that Snape is a beautiful man and Fleur is a troll under the bridge, and elves are less than desirable? For example, If an author states that the night looked beautiful - forget physical appearance - because of the purple-ish tinge in the sky and the moon light lying on the lake. What will you base your opinion on otherwise? How would you imagine that the night is ugly, ghastly, and ominous?
Is there any material within the text or pictures that would would prove, from within the plot, that Snape has ethereal beauty, Fleur is hideous, the elves of Middle Earth look repulsive, and the night was so dark that it created a feeling of foreboding? You have to give me a proof. Not everyone said that Snape was average looking. But majority did. Not everyone chased after Fleur despite her exceptional beauty. People like Cedric, despite the fact that she was playing her Veela - trance like - charms upon him, still preferred a less attractive girl. Does that lessen Fleur's beauty? No. Not everyone in Middle Earth persistently talked of Elfish beauty. Does that lessen it? No. Not every character would claim that the night was beautiful. Perhaps, it's none other than the author in third person, telling the people how beautiful the night is. Does that make that night dark and ominous? No.
My question to you is: what is your source material to reject a trait that is visual when it's not up for interpretation? You have no source material to reject the fact established by the author that Sasuke and Tsunade are exceptionally beautiful / desirable people. You simply cannot.
I already told you, that all those people who weren't in some sort of emotional hang-up phase and weren't in relationships - the majority - found Sasuke extremely desirable. Shikamaru's father, despite being married, found Tsunade more desirable than his own wife. He didn't compare any woman to Tsunade. Just like Sasuke's features have never been compared to anyone bar Itachi.
Kakashi has attracted no one bar two girls; one is Rin, who is important and the other works at a Ramen shop who is completeoly worthless as a character to form any opinions. That hardly makes him an object of everyone's desire. In fact, it leaves his looks up for a debate. I don't remember anything about Itachi and girls, and many girls at that. But Itachi has been compared to Sasuke as far as his features are concerned. So, since the manga has established Sasuke as desirable, one can state the same for someone who holds more than just a passing resemblance. Gaara's likeness has nothing to do with his looks.
Women / girls found him attractive because he holds a position of authority. It's a well-known anthropological fact that women value status and money and men youth. Just like women now find Naruto attractive , now that he's a Hokage. It's when he didn't hold this position is when the views actually hold water. This has literally nothing to do with Gaara's nonexistent looks. Connect this point with the previous one and you'll see the whole picture. Your point on hormones is also weightless, as the entire process of desire is governed by them. It's nothing but a series of chemical reactions within the body to nudge the biological beings towards the process of copulation. What's your point?
I can't believe I launched into this, but I had to explain how physical traits work in literature and symbolic drawings. Anyhow, I'm afraid this is your nonfactual opinion that isn't based on any source material. You can interpret personality traits, but physical ones are never up for debate.
P.s: Women are old and hit menopause at Mei's age? Nb's sexism and stupidity knows no bounds.
The entire process of sexual/physical desire is governed by hormones from young to older people. Mei is far from the age of menopause. Which garbage biology 101 are you reading?
Just because the parents look good doesn't mean the kids will, looks are a bit more random then that.
Naruto, from our point of view looked great at times in Shippuden (at least with his headband off) but then again, it depends on the character's point of view and in that case he's average.
That is not how sampling is established in a piece of writing. You look at those that are 1) in some way in focus one way or another, 2) their opinions matter within the plot, 3) they are characters that at one point or another held some relevance, 4) and they can be considered mouth-piece of the author, and or 5) certain instances are shown repeatedly even through unimportant characters. Any character that isn't there with a certain factor of prominence, cannot be taken seriously or any factor that is not given prominence through lesser characters even, cannot also be taken seriously. But even then, whatever the author states, you have to abide by it.
Looking at it this way, how many females does it make bar Hinata that found Sasuke very desirable? That makes up for almost every female character that held some sort of prominence and wasn't engaged or in a committed relationship. You are going to renounce everyone's opinion and state you are right? I am not asking you to find Sasuke desirable, but you cannot devalue the author's opinion, because it's his work, his opinion and his illustration of the characters' physical traits that matter solely and completely. Sasuke is desirable, Tsunade is desirable, and even Sakura to an extent - the author has made sure of that through characters.
The portrayal is accurate because of the characters reactions. The reactions are established by the author himself. It's his plot. This isn't a personality trait that you can dissect and establish opinions on; it's a physical one that cannot be challenged under any circumstance. If J.K Rowling showed Snape to be a greasy haired man with a hooked nose, then he is greasy haired with a hooked nose. If she showed that Fleur Delacour is a strikingly beautiful girl because she is a descendant of Veela - nymph like creatures with ethereal beauty - then she is exceptionally beautiful. If Tolkien established that Elves are beautiful beings, then they are beautiful beings. How do we know this? Because others comment that Snape was average looking with less desirable physical attributes.
Because boys in the dormitories gawked at Fleur when she passed by them. Are you going to negate everyone's opinion then, that Snape has less than desirable / average physical traits and Fleur is ordinary looking because you don't like blonde girls, for example? What are you going to base this on? Because Tolkien states so in his mythos of Middle Earth. Is there any counter opinion in these sources to validate the claim that Snape is a beautiful man and Fleur is a troll under the bridge, and elves are less than desirable? For example, If an author states that the night looked beautiful - forget physical appearance - because of the purple-ish tinge in the sky and the moon light lying on the lake. What will you base your opinion on otherwise? How would you imagine that the night is ugly, ghastly, and ominous?
Is there any material within the text or pictures that would would prove, from within the plot, that Snape has ethereal beauty, Fleur is hideous, the elves of Middle Earth look repulsive, and the night was so dark that it created a feeling of foreboding? You have to give me a proof. Not everyone said that Snape was average looking. But majority did. Not everyone chased after Fleur despite her exceptional beauty. People like Cedric, despite the fact that she was playing her Veela - trance like - charms upon him, still preferred a less attractive girl. Does that lessen Fleur's beauty? No. Not everyone in Middle Earth persistently talked of Elfish beauty. Does that lessen it? No. Not every character would claim that the night was beautiful. Perhaps, it's none other than the author in third person, telling the people how beautiful the night is. Does that make that night dark and ominous? No.
My question to you is: what is your source material to reject a trait that is visual when it's not up for interpretation? You have no source material to reject the fact established by the author that Sasuke and Tsunade are exceptionally beautiful / desirable people. You simply cannot.
I already told you, that all those people who weren't in some sort of emotional hang-up phase and weren't in relationships - the majority - found Sasuke extremely desirable. Shikamaru's father, despite being married, found Tsunade more desirable than his own wife. He didn't compare any woman to Tsunade. Just like Sasuke's features have never been compared to anyone bar Itachi.
Kakashi has attracted no one bar two girls; one is Rin, who is important and the other works at a Ramen shop who is completeoly worthless as a character to form any opinions. That hardly makes him an object of everyone's desire. In fact, it leaves his looks up for a debate. I don't remember anything about Itachi and girls, and many girls at that. But Itachi has been compared to Sasuke as far as his features are concerned. So, since the manga has established Sasuke as desirable, one can state the same for someone who holds more than just a passing resemblance. Gaara's likeness has nothing to do with his looks.
Women / girls found him attractive because he holds a position of authority. It's a well-known anthropological fact that women value status and money and men youth. Just like women now find Naruto attractive , now that he's a Hokage. It's when he didn't hold this position is when the views actually hold water. This has literally nothing to do with Gaara's nonexistent looks. Connect this point with the previous one and you'll see the whole picture. Your point on hormones is also weightless, as the entire process of desire is governed by them. It's nothing but a series of chemical reactions within the body to nudge the biological beings towards the process of copulation. What's your point?
I can't believe I launched into this, but I had to explain how physical traits work in literature and symbolic drawings. Anyhow, I'm afraid this is your nonfactual opinion that isn't based on any source material. You can interpret personality traits, but physical ones are never up for debate.
P.s: Women are old and hit menopause at Mei's age? Nb's sexism and stupidity knows no bounds.
The entire process of sexual/physical desire is governed by hormones from young to older people. Mei is far from the age of menopause. Which garbage biology 101 are you reading?
I disagree with the Kakashi part. Kakashi was viewed as attractive by those two girls to indicate him as good looking, you can't just question who they are like that unless stated they were the odd ones out. It makes sense since he was basically another version of Sasuke.
Also, in regards to the panel revealing Kakashi's face. I believe Kishi added a sort of Yaoi affect to it to make him look handsome but that could be a stretch.
The rest I agree with but I think you could've got your point across with a lot less text. Lol, you really like Sasuke, don't you?
They're "desperate" since they lack full understanding, hormonal teenagers?Herp derp.
Mei is desperate cuz she's running out of time, as noted by... everyone. It's to the point where she mistakes ppl bringing up marriage and hits on madara.
They're "desperate" since they lack full understanding, hormonal teenagers?Herp derp.
Mei is desperate cuz she's running out of time, as noted by... everyone. It's to the point where she mistakes ppl bringing up marriage and hits on madara.
When the beautiful mother has genes that can pass on through looks, it ain't for a guy. Why else would Naruto's female form is the sexiest female around? If it were a switch, he'd be some Ladykilling Ginger.
Do you wanna know why Naruto is more sexier than Sasuke? Well its because he has a special jutsue in his arsenal that pleases both gendars. You see if a guy wanks Sasuke majority of the time they will think he is gay. Because there wanking seems to reach his pants. While with Naruto we got a female version of him as this:
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Do you see that? Now that is hot. Naruto's female version would please all the guys. Infact when he clones himself in that form its like a freaken dream come true.
Now why stop here? Why not please our female fans to? Kishi made a way for Naruto go even sexier. By having him do something like this:
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All those men right there solo Sasuke in appearence. Meaning Naruto has the ability to enhance his sexiness, while Sasuke will always be Sasuke. Which is why I can confindently say that Hinata chose the most sexiest man in Narutoverse.
Ok so he's sexier for his abilities and not his actual physical appearance.
Underlined: By your reasoning there are a LOT of Sasuke fans here that are thought to be gay on NB. Interesting
I disagree with the Kakashi part. Kakashi was viewed as attractive by those two girls to indicate him as good looking, you can't just question who they are like that unless stated they were the odd ones out. It makes sense since he was basically another version of Sasuke.
Also, in regards to the panel revealing Kakashi's face. I believe Kishi added a sort of Yaoi affect to it to make him look handsome but that could be a stretch.
The rest I agree with but I think you could've got your point across with a lot less text. Lol, you really like Sasuke, don't you?
This was not about Sasuke's looks, but about separating physical traits from personality traits and how author's portrayal of appearances cannot be challenged, along with the representations of environments. The guy was repeatedly stating that it's a matter of opinion that who looks like what. I had to correct him by giving examples as to how physical traits are written in any piece of writing and how they are not up for interpretation. I kept it as short as possible, actually.
Please, explain the process of eggs mutation and menopause. This I can't wait to hear. Your posts are so foolish and deplorably misogynistic that it's not even funny. It's petty.
P.s: Why is it that it's always the Kakashi/Minato/Naruto fan lobby that exhibit their less than average intelligence? I mean, it's always the same lobby.
tbh, Naruto has the look of a masculine and model-like USA/europe guy since The Last, especially the adult Hokage Naruto.
And tbh too, Sasuke look like an emo guy from Korean boyband with feminine features.
In canon, Naruto has the girls in Konoha chased after him since the war and The Last. Kushina is freakin beautiful as stated by Tsunade and Jiraiya. And Minato is same type like Sasuke (feminine good lookin). So yeah Naruto is canonically handsome and gets the name Hotkage lol