A way to lure out all the ghouls?

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So it's preety simple actually. In order for Ghouls to blend into humans's society they need to be added to humans' records, to acquire ID and in gerenal to be in a situation that would allow them to do transtactions with humans. Therefore, if CCG was making a law to use the RC detectors on those who wish to get an ID, then Ghouls would have no way to blend into humans' world.

There surely are the illegal ghouls but let's face it, for the vast majority of them who're not that strong, they wouldn't survive that long in the streets hadn't there been a way to hide themselves.


I hope Ishida finds a way to explain that because since he has already created RC detectors, not using them accordingly is a painfully obvious flaw, at least to me.
 

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Remember ghouls being created (Kaneki) is still rare, most ghouls were born ghouls so the minute they were born (the one's that went to the hospital) they were already on record. You also can't use everything in our world and expect it to work the same in Tokyo Ghoul.


Don't forget ghouls can also work in high ranking positions Doctors, Scientists, Bankers, etc. So what's stopping a ghoul working in the government letting other ghouls slide in?

A system is probably in place for the ghouls being able to live such normal lives (as long as they don't go on eating sprees publicly) that we don't know about and Ishida won't cover because most fans don't really care, he doesn't have time for that, or will discuss it at a later time.

Hope I helped.
 

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Remember ghouls being created (Kaneki) is still rare, most ghouls were born ghouls so the minute they were born (the one's that went to the hospital) they were already on record. You also can't use everything in our world and expect it to work the same in Tokyo Ghoul.


Don't forget ghouls can also work in high ranking positions Doctors, Scientists, Bankers, etc. So what's stopping a ghoul working in the government letting other ghouls slide in?

A system is probably in place for the ghouls being able to live such normal lives (as long as they don't go on eating sprees publicly) that we don't know about and Ishida won't cover because most fans don't really care, he doesn't have time for that, or will discuss it at a later time.

Hope I helped.
Your argument is invalid. Kaneki is the exception here and not the rule and besides what I'm saying is not strictly related to the real world since Ishida has created such machine in his story that would make it easy for humans to see who is a real ghoul and who's not if we're not talking about half ghouls.

Even for the baby ghouls you talk about, all CCG had to do was to use these detectors to one of the parents. If they do that, then it's easy to assume that the whole family is Ghouls as well. This one specially goes for Touka, her father was a verified ghoul and while her brother may be on the run, if she goes to Kamiki school and works at the :re with her name, then all they had to do was track her name, even if let's say there are more with the same name.


As for the high ranking positions, they manage do get such positions because they can't figure them out in the first place and even if we were to talk about few corrupted ones that would turn a blind eye, it's a fact that it would be difficult to apply to every single ghoul. Ghouls like Nishiki had no money in the first place.

The acquisition of an ID is vital to live into a society. All I'm saying is that if Ishida lets these detectors to be used only at the entrance of the CCG building, he creates obstactles for himself. He created a far too useful object in his story for that exact purpose that he chooses to disregard for no good reason. Unless they can drop the RC levels artificially somehow to trick the machine, otherwise it does not make sense.
 
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Your argument is invalid. Kaneki is the exception here and not the rule and besides what I'm saying is not strictly related to the real world since Ishida has created such machine in his story that would make it easy for humans to see who is a real ghoul and who's not if we're not talking about half ghouls.

Even for the baby ghouls you talk about, all CCG had to do was to use these detectors to one of the parents. If they do that, then it's easy to assume that the whole family is Ghouls as well. This one specially goes for Touka, her father was a verified ghoul and while her brother may be on the run, if she goes to Kamiki school and works at the :re with her name, then all they had to do was track her name, even if let's say there are more with the same name.


As for the high ranking positions, they manage do get such positions because they can't figure them out in the first place and even if we were to talk about few corrupted ones that would turn a blind eye, it's a fact that it would be difficult to apply to every single ghoul. Ghouls like Nishiki had no money in the first place.

The acquisition of an ID is vital to live into a society. All I'm saying is that if Ishida lets these detectors to be used only at the entrance of the CCG building, he creates obstactles for himself. He created a far too useful object in his story for that exact purpose that he chooses to disregard for no good reason. Unless they can drop the RC levels artificially somehow to trick the machine, otherwise it does not make sense.
No, you're not the author for the manga you can't be so sure Kaneki is the only exception, there might be various reasons why he hasn't decided to do so yet. Ishida knows what he's doing, you're just reading it the manga not writing. Stop making assumptions on what you feel should be happening at let the story takes it course. You're blowing this completely out of proportion.
 

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No, you're not the author for the manga you can't be so sure Kaneki is the only exception, there might be various reasons why he hasn't decided to do so yet. Ishida knows what he's doing, you're just reading it the manga not writing. Stop making assumptions on what you feel should be happening at let the story takes it course. You're blowing this completely out of proportion.
Am I? It's an extremely logical conclusion, excuse me for stating my opinion lol. I thought that constructive criticisim is allowed and what I proposed is perfectly logical based on something that Ishida himself introduced to his story, guess you learn something new everyday...
 

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Am I? It's an extremely logical conclusion, excuse me for stating my opinion lol. I thought that constructive criticisim is allowed and what I proposed is perfectly logical based on something that Ishida himself introduced to his story, guess you learn something new everyday...
Oh my then congratulations for contradicting yourself, you say my argument is invalid due to an opinion but yet you go do the same thing and you proceed to back it up by saying it's "perfectly logical based"?
By all means continue on I completely forgot if the author doesn't do what you want it's a flaw, the idea of him implementing something similar later when the time is right is unfathomable!
How dare Ishida focus on the character development of Kaneki at the moment instead of what you want!
I'm done speaking with a foolish individual.
Ignorance is bliss.
 

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Oh my then congratulations for contradicting yourself, you say my argument is invalid due to an opinion but yet you go do the same thing and you proceed to back it up by saying it's "perfectly logical based"?
By all means continue on I completely forgot if the author doesn't do what you want it's a flaw, the idea of him implementing something similar later when the time is right is unfathomable!
How dare Ishida focus on the character development of Kaneki at the moment instead of what you want!
I'm done speaking with a foolish individual.
Ignorance is bliss.
This is by no means the same thing, I did not contradict myself. What I suggested was that CCG could easily use the RC detectors, that Ishida has introduced to, to disallow ghouls from blending into human society since if they have no ID they would be basically extemely limited from doing any transactions with the human worlds, at least things like renting or working or anything important. You on the other hand suggested that since they have succeeded in entering the high rank, avoiding RC detectors would be easy, and that's where the invalidity of your idea comes because in order to even get a job, especially a high ranking one, you need to be on some kind of database with your personal information. Therefore, those high ranking ghouls wouldn't even have the chance to get jobs if they were to pass the RC detectors since that would be some kind of a last test before the acquisition of their ID.


And as I said again, what I proposed was a perfectly logical idea given the introduction of the said machines by the author himself. You were the one that said that since Ishida is the writer, he can do whatever he wants and passed at the offensive. I've never said otherwise and I specifically used the term "flaw" over the overused "plothole". Truthfully, if he gives no explanation, I can't say that it's a plothole since he does not contradict his work but on the other hand you can't stop me from believing that if a machine as useful as that, stays out of the picture for no good reason, while as I said Ishida himself introduced it, that it's a flaw not worth taking into account.


Also, I was very careful to use the hypothetical tense "If Ishida lets these detectors be used only in CCG building" showing that I recognise the fact that nothing is yet set in stone. You were the the one that couldn't hold your horses and took it as direct accusation towards Ishida's writing. Don't blame me for you seeing accusations everywhere, I had no such desire and I only talked based on the present and how would I react if the said introduced machines were not to be used after all, at least without any good reason.
 
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So it's preety simple actually. In order for Ghouls to blend into humans's society they need to be added to humans' records, to acquire ID and in gerenal to be in a situation that would allow them to do transtactions with humans. Therefore, if CCG was making a law to use the RC detectors on those who wish to get an ID, then Ghouls would have no way to blend into humans' world.

There surely are the illegal ghouls but let's face it, for the vast majority of them who're not that strong, they wouldn't survive that long in the streets hadn't there been a way to hide themselves.


I hope Ishida finds a way to explain that because since he has already created RC detectors, not using them accordingly is a painfully obvious flaw, at least to me.
"The devices are considered too expensive to be used in most buildings, restricting them to be used in government buildings". And so far we have seen it only in the CCG HQ. But yeah it's like u said, apart from this cost criteria there's no other reason that should stop the CCG from using it as a anti-ghoul measure.
 
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