Hashirama vs MS Obito

TheSages456 · Jun 17, 2015

XanxusKills said:
One of the most stupid user post I've ever seen, it just gives moron a whole new meaning.
Completely garbage.
That piss pour Katon doesn't even come close to the Katon that was juubi size.

both katons are perfectly comparable. you are just being biased.

madara is ridiculously small compared to his V3 susano which is biju sized.

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yet this is how big his susano is compared to the katon.

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and given the fact that a biju is comparable to the juubis head in size.

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yes this katon easily reaches juubi sized scales. that is how you correctly scale something. your point has been disproven and nothing more will be said on this.
anything more on this is a concession on your part.

Even Tsuchikage's jinton whipped the pollen clean.

jinton destroys anything that it is capable of disintegrating at a molecular level, so this comparison is not valid.

By another kamui user involved or a guy who can move instantly.
Which is you being a dumbass.

you dont need kamui to hit obito.

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the manga not once indulged that nonsense.

Kaguya's will is black zetsu, which she used to beat Madara with her own chakras.
What kind of stupid logic is this?

black zetsu is a separate entity from kaguya. him being her will is irrelevant. by this logic, naruto would be a part of minato and kushinas arsenal in a fight.

One of the most pathetic excuse/retort I've ever read.
A second wind..
If your gonna post sh*t like this, don't reply me at all.

you dont know what a second wind is? madaras chakra was restored by rinne tensei, which is how he went from having no chakra to being able to use jutsus again. madara being restored to full power allowed him to break hashiramas restraints.
he then proceeded to restrain hashirama, whom he weakened during their fight as edo tensei.

Edo Hashirama didn't beat Edo Madara

which is why he had him tied up by wood dragons with all of his chakra drained, ready to be sealed.

Blind Madara would wreck Hashirama as canon, and he'll wipe his ass across his face like I did this post.

just like black zetsu did not defeat madara, madara did not defeat hashirama. anything more on this is a concession on your part.

your entire post is just you ranting about how bad you think my post is without actually providing any evidence to substantiate your point.

you are allowed to keep being a mediocre debater if you want, however im not going to be a part of it. i showed you why what you are saying is wrong and i am done.

VongolaX · Jun 17, 2015

TheSages456 said:
both the katons are perfectly comparable. you are just being biased.

madara is ridiculously small compared to his V3 susano which is biju sized.

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yet this is how big his susano is compared to the katon.

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and given the fact that a biju is comparable to the juubis head in size.

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yes this katon easily reaches juubi sized scales. that is how you correctly scale something. this point has been disproven and nothing more will be said on this.
anything more on this is a concession.

Madara's V3 Susanoo isn't even the same size as a bijuu, bm naruto's tail took up its whole body.
Hachibi is only the same size as the bijuus face:

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This is not only desperate but it is highly laughable as well.

Because not only are you implying that V3 legless Susanoo is as big as a bijuu, you are also implying that a bijuu competes with the juubi in size.

That firestyle was pathetically small. The juubi size Katon overtook the alliance's surroundings while that little one Madara made barely made it to the kages. He just turn there surroundings to coal and pollen.

jinton destroys anything that it is capable of disintegrating at a molecular level, so this comparison is not valid.

The pollen was visible to the kages, burning air born particles with an molecule Justu is just as valid as burning pollen around you with a lighter. :|

you dont need kamui to hit obito.

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the manga not once indulged that nonsense.

Considering that kamui 1 ms Kakashi is right beside him, I would have to say this comment here is just utter nonsense. This is a versus not a capture and save in dimensions game.
Nobodies warping anybody and keeping them in dimensions.

black zetsu is a separate entity from kaguya. him being her will is irrelevant. by this logic, naruto would be a part of minato and kushinas arsenal in a fight.

Black zetsu is a tool with a conscious.
This failed harder than the last one considering that Obito used BZ as an arsenal:

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Horrible comparison between naruto and black zetsu

I don't ever want to see a comparison ever made like that again.

you dont know what a second wind is? madaras chakra was restored by rinne tensei, which is how he went from having no chakra to being able to use jutsus again. madara being restored to full power allowed him to break hashiramas restraints.
he then proceeded to restrain hashirama, whom he weakened during their fight as edo tensei.

1. Madara never lost his chakra, Edo tensei provides him unlimited chakra and stamina.
That second wind theory you got going on there, it's a baseless one.
Let's not forget that Madara already subjected Hashirama with his rods, so anytime necessary he could of pinned him on his knees

2. Those gates he used to pin down Madara were used on the juubi. It's use to suppress your chakra, a temporary hold off that is convenient for the time being

which is why he had him tied up by wood dragons with all of his chakra drained, ready to be sealed.

3. Hashirama and Madara were talking about the story of Kaguya while dodging the shinjuu tree Obito was using for the moon eye project. Hashirama and Madara never fought since then.

4. The help that was needed:

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blind madara didnt beat hashirama the same way that black zetsu didnt beat madara. anything more on this is a concession on your part.

Madara's rods was placed into Hashirama by Madara and Madara pinned him down with his chakras.
Honestly, what the hell is so hard to understand?
If Madara didn't beat Hashirama, then who did? :|
Because Kaguya was the one who beat JJ Madara using her will.
So the same thing applies to blind Madara using his will.

your entire post is just you ranting about how bad you think my post is without actually providing any evidence to substantiate your point.

you are allowed to keep being a mediocre debater if you want, however im not going to be a part of it. i showed you why what you are saying is wrong and i am done.

Lmao, I just thrashed your post again.
What exactly is mediocre about me?
More than half of your post was bad assumptions and horrible comparisons.
You simply can't compete here, you have no real retort.

I could of ended it like this...

Defense: Intangible kamui>>>> All these attacks
Shuusenju
Wood golem
Flower tree
Wood dragon
Other mokuton variants

Attacks: that are deployable while being intangible
1. Juubi size Katon
2. Mokuton (as seems against mist shinobis)
3. Black rods/the will of Madara that he told Obito to use while preforming six path Justus
B. Absorb chakra while intangible (as seen against JJ madara)
4. Yin yang release
5. Genjustu

VongolaX · Jun 17, 2015

Seriously he loses :|

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^^This is what you get when you jack a thirteen year old up on senju tissue and six path chakra/will.
They get a databook entry on soloing the world

TheSages456 · Jun 17, 2015

XanxusKills said:
Madara's V3 Susanoo isn't even the same size as a bijuu, bm naruto's tail took up its whole body.
Hachibi is only the same size as the bijuus face:

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This is not only desperate but it is highly laughable as well.

Because not only are you implying that V3 legless Susanoo is as big as a bijuu, you are also implying that a bijuu competes with the juubi in size.

That firestyle was pathetically small. The juubi size Katon overtook the alliance's surroundings while that little one Madara made barely made it to the kages. He just turn there surroundings to coal and pollen.

The pollen was visible to the kages, burning air born particles with an molecule Justu is just as valid as burning pollen around you with a lighter. :|

Considering that kamui 1 ms Kakashi is right beside him, I would have to say this comment here is just utter nonsense. This is a versus not a capture and save in dimensions game.
Nobodies warping anybody and keeping them in dimensions.

Black zetsu is a tool with a conscious.
This failed harder than the last one considering that Obito used BZ as an arsenal:

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Horrible comparison between naruto and black zetsu

I don't ever want to see a comparison ever made like that again.

1. Madara never lost his chakra, Edo tensei provides him unlimited chakra and stamina.
That second wind theory you got going on there, it's a baseless one.
Let's not forget that Madara already subjected Hashirama with his rods, so anytime necessary he could of pinned him on his knees

2. Those gates he used to pin down Madara were used on the juubi. It's use to suppress your chakra, a temporary hold off that is convenient for the time being

which is why he had him tied up by wood dragons with all of his chakra drained, ready to be sealed.

3. Hashirama and Madara were talking about the story of Kaguya while dodging the shinjuu tree Obito was using for the moon eye project. Hashirama and Madara never fought since then.

4. The help that was needed:

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Madara's rods was placed into Hashirama by Madara and Madara pinned him down with his chakras.
Honestly, what the hell is so hard to understand?
If Madara didn't beat Hashirama, then who did? :|
Because Kaguya was the one who beat JJ Madara using her will.
So the same thing applies to blind Madara using his will.

Lmao, I just thrashed your post again.
What exactly is mediocre about me?
More than half of your post was bad assumptions and horrible comparisons.
You simply can't compete here, you have no real retort.

I could of ended it like this...

Defense: Intangible kamui>>>> All these attacks
Shuusenju
Wood golem
Flower tree
Wood dragon
Other mokuton variants

Attacks: that are deployable while being intangible
1. Juubi size Katon
2. Mokuton (as seems against mist shinobis)
3. Black rods/the will of Madara that he told Obito to use while preforming six path Justus
B. Absorb chakra while intangible (as seen against JJ madara)
4. Yin yang release
5. Genjustu

you didnt counter any of my post and based on the way you responded, you didnt even read it. there is literally nothing in your post that needs addressing since you either lied about what i posted, or ignored most of my points.

most of the stuff in your post is sig worthy.
you arent going to waste any more of my time.
you already conceded when you reiterated the same nonsense points that were already disproved.

posts like yours lets me know the extent to which this forum has fallen off when it comes to debates.

VongolaX · Jun 17, 2015

TheSages456 said:
you didnt counter any of my post and based on the way you responded, you didnt even read it. there is literally nothing in your post that needs addressing since you either lied about what i posted, or ignored most of my points.

most of the stuff in your post is sig worthy.
you arent going to waste any more of my time.
you already conceded when you reiterated the same nonsense points that were already disproved.

posts like yours lets me know the extent to which this forum has fallen off when it comes to debates.

And that's the retort you end with.
I read everything twice, and found countless contradictions in every post.

You people don't debate.
You compromise with which set of characters should be placed above the others.
You don't have a counter, it's just that plain and simple.
Nothing in Hashirama's arsenal can catch/kill what a Juubi jinchuuriki had a hard time doing.
Seriously get out of here, you're being a horrible troll

Senju Bean · Jun 17, 2015

Your Creepy Stalker said:
The insanity is strong with this one.

Hashirama has never shown feats of being able to create forests anywhere near as fast as you say he can.

Even if we pretend that Hashirama can do Infinite Speed Forests, Obito can still avoid them. Obito cannot be sensed while Intangible, so Hashirama will soon sense with his SM that Obito is dead, Only for Obito to then stand up, start doing a Tobi impression and claim that he is extremely flexible, before destroying Hashirama with Frill Necked Lizard. Hey, if you are giving Hashirama imaginary feats so can I.

Manga fact. INSTANT.

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Therefore, whatever Konan can do with her paper bombs, Hashirama can do much much better with his tree as they are much faster and abundant

Oblivionx · Jun 17, 2015

lol without intel obito shits so hard that it isn't even funny and even with intel, he has more chances than hashirama...!
he's a bad matchup for hashirama... kamui cannot be avoided unless you have S/T yourself...

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