DSM Kabuto vs Zetsu Orochimaru

[Chaosmark101]

Location:Kabuto vs uchiha bros
distance:35 meters
Intel:manga
mindset:bloodlusted
restrictions:Edo Tensei

 

[KCN]

Kabuto dominates. Hard.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

This isn't fair to Orochimaru.

 

[Chaosmark101]

This isn't fair to Orochimaru.

It's not? .____.

 

[DMT]

Kabuto rapes his master

 

[Thesaurus]

Orochimaru wins. Kabuto insinuated that Orochimaru couldn't use SM because his body was ailing. Given his body is now composed of Zetsu cells, it is logical to attribute SM to Orochimaru. So yes, Orochimaru wins this because his capability in base would be multiplied identically to what Kabuto's was, and since Orochimaru's base is vastly superior, his SM would be vastly superior too.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It's not? .____.

Kabuto has everything Orochimaru has and more, including hashirama-poison which would just immobilize Orochimaru.

 

[Nattana]

Well, considering that Kabuto doesn't have Oro's chakra anymore and that Oro can release his Sage Mode with just a single touch...

Orochimaru most likely wins.

 

[Omar19992010]

Kabuto negs.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Orochimaru wins. Kabuto insinuated that Orochimaru couldn't use SM because his body was ailing. Given his body is now composed of Zetsu cells, it is logical to attribute SM to Orochimaru. So yes, Orochimaru wins this because his capability in base would be multiplied identically to what Kabuto's was, and since Orochimaru's base is vastly superior, his SM would be vastly superior too.

Context never said he had SM but couldnt use it. Context states he couldnt train to gain SM, because his body. Even if the OP makes the conditions for Oro to be SM, there is still no arguments that can be made that Oro could but Kabuto down.

Well, considering that Kabuto doesn't have Oro's chakra anymore and that Oro can release his Sage Mode with just a single touch...

Orochimaru most likely wins.

Are you trolling or do you really have selective reading?

 

[Nattana]

Are you trolling or do you really have selective reading?

Not sure what you're talking about since these are all manga facts.

 

[Thesaurus]

Context never said he had SM but couldnt use it. Context states he couldnt train to gain SM, because his body. Even if the OP makes the conditions for Oro to be SM, there is still no arguments that can be made that Oro could but Kabuto down.





Are you trolling or do you really have selective reading?

VIZ:"Kabuto: Jugo's clan have always had control over natural energy sources.

That's the secret behind those rampages..The ability causes them to suddenly become more powerful and wild. Lord Orochimaru wasn't interested in Jugo's rampages...So much as the Origin of his clans power.

He Finally tracked down the source of the power... And that was the Ryuchi Cave.

Lord Orochimaru immediately tried to acquire that power... But.. He didn't yet possess a body that could tolerate it..Thats why..."

It implies Orochimaru trained for it but his body couldn't tolerate the implementation of it. That could mean Oro can utilise it now that he has a Zetsu body. And as I said before, scale all their feats identically and Oro wins because he'd be far higher given his base stats are much higher. Not to mention he can outsmart Kabuto, his healing is probably superior given he's been cut in half, his chakra is more potent, etc. Sound 5 abilities won't win it for Kabuto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not sure what you're talking about since these are all manga facts.

Oh man.

Well, considering that Kabuto doesn't have Oro's chakra

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Oro can release his Sage Mode with just a single touch...

This is in no way prove that he will succeed in close quarters, as he has to fight Kabuto. A motionless character, doesnt take much effort to be taken advantage of.

The audacity to pass these as facts, lmao.

 

[Nattana]

Oh man.

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This is in no way prove that he will succeed in close quarters, as he has to fight Kabuto. A motionless character, doesnt take much effort to be taken advantage of.

The audacity to pass these as facts, lmao.

That little bit of Oro's chakra is nowhere near as much as Kabuto had prior to Izanami.

And what does succeeding in CQC have anything to do here? Orochimaru can release his DSM with a mere touch, he did it canonically. Also, I'm assuming that Kabuto in this match-up does not start in Sage Mode.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That little bit of Oro's chakra is nowhere near as much as Kabuto had prior to Izanami.

You went from making claims that Kabuto has no more Oro chakra, passing it as facts, to "he has a little bit now" despite Oro saying "some". And then try to pass off what was already known, that Kabuto had less of his chakra prior to Izanami like its relevant here. News flash Kabuto needed more of Oro chakra to strengthen the binding of Edo Tensei having less again is irrelevant to what Kabuto is capable of by himself.

And what does succeeding in CQC have anything to do here? Orochimaru can release his DSM with a mere touch, he did it canonically. Also, I'm assuming that Kabuto in this match-up does not start in Sage Mode.

Your claims is that Oro wins because touching Kabuto with "ease" means his SM goes off. Weak arugments and selective reading after another. Then you go and say he doesnt start in SM (even though it doesnt matter or not) when the title outright shows which form of Kabuto is being used here.

Lol...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

VIZ:"Kabuto: Jugo's clan have always had control over natural energy sources.

Ok.

That's the secret behind those rampages..The ability causes them to suddenly become more powerful and wild. Lord Orochimaru wasn't interested in Jugo's rampages...So much as the Origin of his clans power.

Exactly, he was interested in this "natural energy" boost.

He Finally tracked down the source of the power... And that was the Ryuchi Cave.

Exactly he finally track down where he can get this natural energy power up.

Lord Orochimaru immediately tried to acquire that power... But.. He didn't yet possess a body that could tolerate it..Thats why..."

Exactly context out right stated he attempt to learn it, gain it, etc. But body couldn't tolerate it. Now that he has one he is capable to gain the power now.

It implies Orochimaru trained for it but his body couldn't tolerate the implementation of it. That could mean Oro can utilise it now that he has a Zetsu body.

Addressed, and please put up these Viz scans.

And as I said before, scale all their feats identically and Oro wins because he'd be far higher given his base stats are much higher.

By what? Orochimaru wasn't far off in speed. Orochimaru was in strength, but Jirobo says hello. Reaction time maybe just maybe Oro, but not enough to have the advantage.

Not to mention he can outsmart Kabuto, his healing is probably superior given he's been cut in half, his chakra is more potent, etc. Sound 5 abilities won't win it for Kabuto.

Prove he can outsmart Kabuto, what would he do that Kabuto loses here. His healing is not higher both are on the same level plus the fact that he has Suigetsu ability to even bother healing and tank any physical attack. Potent chakra is irrelevant.

Lol are you kidding me with Sound 5? No counter to Kido's webs, no counter to genjutsu, gets overwhelmed by Kimmi's bones, and no counter to Sakon's Parasite. Please tell me your joking.

 

[Thesaurus]

Ok.



Exactly, he was interested in this "natural energy" boost.


Exactly he finally track down where he can get this natural energy power up.


Exactly context out right stated he attempt to learn it, gain it, etc. But body couldn't tolerate it. Now that he has one he is capable to gain the power now.


Addressed, and please put up these Viz scans.


By what? Orochimaru wasn't far off in speed. Orochimaru was in strength, but Jirobo says hello. Reaction time maybe just maybe Oro, but not enough to have the advantage.

Prove he can outsmart Kabuto, what would he do that Kabuto loses here. His healing is not higher both are on the same level plus the fact that he has Suigetsu ability to even bother healing and tank any physical attack. Potent chakra is irrelevant.

Lol are you kidding me with Sound 5? No counter to Kido's webs, no counter to genjutsu, gets overwhelmed by Kimmi's bones, and no counter to Sakon's Parasite. Please tell me your joking.

Actually I change my mind, I can't really prove that he had the training in the first place, since not being able to tolerate it could mean the training itself. But otherwise Orochimaru would surely destroy him given his much higher base stats translating into higher SM stats.

 

[MickNerks]

Giving this one to Orochimaru

Orochimaru has already proven that he is more then capable of not only de-activating Kabuto's sage mode, but he also can remove his own chakra from kabuto's body with ease:

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And Kabuto also has already admitted that orochimaru's chakra was far more powerful than his own:

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Soooooooooo yeah... Orochimaru with his arms back and Hashirama's cells is still far more powerful than DSM Kabuto

 

[Beans2]

L0l Manda 2 solos.

 

[Transcendence]

That little bit of Oro's chakra is nowhere near as much as Kabuto had prior to Izanami.

And what does succeeding in CQC have anything to do here? Orochimaru can release his DSM with a mere touch, he did it canonically. Also, I'm assuming that Kabuto in this match-up does not start in Sage Mode.

Useless assumptions. The amount of Orochimaru's chakra means nothing in the long run. Kabuto's appearance remains unchanged therefore, he logically has access to all the abilities he had in the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. It's not like Rikudou chakra where the quantity of it affects battles that much. It only allowed Kabuto to become snakelike and made his own natural chakra stronger because Orochimaru had a more potent chakra.