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Both Visca and Alzack are immigrants from the west. This has been confirmed all the way back at the start of the series. Later Hiro also made an omake from just before Visca joined FT where it was mentioned she arrived in Fiore and barely had anything, meaning she could have been on the run.
In before Hiro writes that Bisca was one of the leading generals of Arbaless's military force
 

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What the Magic Council or other guilds do is really not that relevant. FT is currently not even an official guild, so saying they're going to disband a guild that's not even official is kinda a joke, even more so when it concerns FT who have the reputation of always causing problems and never gave a rat's ass about the council.

The AE is pretty much the most dangerous foe so far introduced in the series excluding Acnologia and Zeref. Makarov had no issues picking fights with other guilds, dragons and a horde of demons...but he trembled by the thought of the AE. They are after one of the biggest mysteries revolving around FT and once tried to claim it already. Makarov went apparently to them to hold them at bay with what is pretty much a bluff. There is really no point in introducing a foe like that and creating these specific circumstances if Makarov comes back and says "problem solved".

If they invade, it doesn't matter that their only target is FT, an invasion is an invasion. Other guilds and countries will be swallowed by it automatically. If they send a small group of people to save Makarov or whatever, unless they can deliver such a heavy blow to the AE that they can't retaliate anymore, it would be a rescue mission at best. Their target is LH, not Makarov or anyone else of FT specifically. So that Makarov would escape or whatever doesn't matter much as if they still want LH and they have the means, then they will attack regardless.

It's simple really there are only 3 possible scenario's:

1) They invade because they want LH.

2) FT attacks first, whether alone whether with assistance, striking such a hard blow that they can't recover anytime soon as otherwise they can just invade afterwards. Even if a small group of people would be able to sneak in and out of the AE without a single person noticing, well that's not going to influence their desire of getting LH or not. If they want it, they will still come unless something is blocking them.

3) They can convince somehow the AE to give up on LH. This one is very unlikely as that goes against the entire principle of telling a story. You just said that would be a disaster, that's an argument strongly in favor of an invasion as that's good for a story: disaster. Disaster and then overcome it, that's how you tell a story and not "they diplomatically solved everything, all Mest's efforts, all my fear were useless and ungrounded. Nothing will happen". Yeah no, if there isn't going to be invasion, then we are back again at scenario #2. There is no point in creating an enemy of that magnitude and not have any large-scale events taking place.
By this argument, we should have seen 10,000 dragons come through the Eclipse Gate and destroy the world and had them fight that instead of just 7. And they didn't even kill the dragons, Natsu just destroyed the Eclipse Gate and that solved everything.

Or that FACE should have activated and taken away all the magic and they had to find some way to get it back, but the dragons just solved everything by destroying all the weapons.

From the talk with Mest, the invasion happens if Fairy Tail fails its goal.

The whole point of hyping the Empire is that if they do invade then Fairy Tail has already lost, as like with the 10,000 dragons they can't possibly win.

Essentially the invasion happens if the heroes lose.

And if they were to launch a initial strike, what would they do to weaken the Empire?

Destroy their army fully of thousands possibly millions of people that had nothing to do with the decision to invade and haven't actually done anything wrong?

This isn't the Avatar arc where the army is made of a bunch of murdering thugs.

Burn the villages and cities to the ground?

Most of them had nothing to do with the decision to invade.

Destroy the government?

How? Kill them all, there is no one to arrest them as they are a legitimate governing body.

Just look at the Edolas arc, they didn't fight to devastate Edolas, they went to rescue their friends and ended up fighting to save all of Edolas.

They only fought the guys that got in their way in that arc and really the was only a few.

And as for the former Guild Master being held by the Empire, Fiore once took Lucy against her will, and Fairy Tail attempted to rescue her, but they didn't start a war and they didn't hold a grudge once she was safe. It was water under the bridge.

Fairy Tail is a Shounen manga, Shounen heroes typically don't go to start a war by launching a preemptive strike.
 
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I have a pretty good idea where this arc is going, it will turn out that the Empire needs the LH to save themselves from some internal threat, Natsu and friends decide to solve the threat and save the Empire, so the Empire agrees to call off the invasion and make peace.

Its a Shounen manga, Shounen heroes save Kingdoms, they don't go to war with them.
 

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By this argument, we should have seen 10,000 dragons come through the Eclipse Gate and destroy the world and had them fight that instead of just 7. And they didn't even kill the dragons, Natsu just destroyed the Eclipse Gate and that solved everything.

Or that FACE should have activated and taken away all the magic and they had to find some way to get it back, but the dragons just solved everything by destroying all the weapons.

From the talk with Mest, the invasion happens if Fairy Tail fails its goal.

The whole point of hyping the Empire is that if they do invade then Fairy Tail has already lost, as like with the 10,000 dragons they can't possibly win.

Essentially the invasion happens if the heroes lose.

And if they were to launch a initial strike, what would they do to weaken the Empire?

Destroy their army fully of thousands possibly millions of people that had nothing to do with the decision to invade and haven't actually done anything wrong?

This isn't the Avatar arc where the army is made of a bunch of murdering thugs.

Burn the villages and cities to the ground?

Most of them had nothing to do with the decision to invade.

Destroy the government?

How? Kill them all, there is no one to arrest them as they are a legitimate governing body.

Just look at the Edolas arc, they didn't fight to devastate Edolas, they went to rescue their friends and ended up fighting to save all of Edolas.

They only fought the guys that got in their way in that arc and really the was only a few.

And as for the former Guild Master being held by the Empire, Fiore once took Lucy against her will, and Fairy Tail attempted to rescue her, but they didn't start a war and they didn't hold a grudge once she was safe. It was water under the bridge.

Fairy Tail is a Shounen manga, Shounen heroes typically don't go to start a war by launching a preemptive strike.
Most of these examples are completely different matters in completely different contexts. The whole 10 000 dragons thing was inside the series itself a fake future prediction to try to make that prediction actually come true and was already very questionable of being true. All of that was influenced by people time traveling, which makes it a very fickle matter as current actions influence the future. It was also added almost near the end of the arc. This is completely the opposite of the current arc where we immediately get the introduction of an enemy that already tried to attack them once before, but failed due to the usage of weapons that played important roles in past arcs and for which Makarov disbanded the guild of all things and disappeared trying to slow them down, not stopping. Really pointless doing all that if they're just going on a simple rescue mission and be done with it. Unlike the dragons, the AE is very well real and they already tried to assault FT, so technically they already picked a fight. Not to mention FT never had any kind of difficulty in picking fights.

Lucy was imprisoned just for safety by the ruler of their own home country. Going to war with your own king is something very different then going to war with a foreign nation that already tried to invade your country to loot. Also they didn't really had any kind of moral issues beaten the crap out of the king's army. If the same thing happens in the AE, you're in my scenario number 2. If the invasion doesn't happen, it means something was done to prevent it and having a friendly chat is not going to cut it. Then FT should have done something massive there, so again scenario 2.

Now if I follow your argumentation Face should have never activated and the dragons should have never appeared or with other words nothing should have happened at all... Face got activated, but stopped in the nick of time; some dragons appeared, they were driven back. It doesn't matter how it happened, just that it happened. A new strong enemy is introduced that has set its eyes on FT's biggest secret...and they will do nothing according to you, nothing will happen at all? Yeah no they are going to do something. What's the point of introducing an enemy of this magnitude and consequently do nothing with them?

Fact is you already confirmed what I said "the invasion happens if the heroes lose", that's again scenario 2. The possibilities I listed are global ones. We don't have enough information and they could very well change when we get new one. Heck maybe the AE has a civil war going on with different factions? But I'm not going to speculate on that, I base myself on what we do know. So I don't know what FT would do if they strike first and that doesn't matter either. The only thing is that they have to do something if they want to prevent the invasion and just saving Makarov stealthy and/or having a diplomatic talk is going to cut it.

FT has been kicking people's asses continuously. What did all those soldiers of the king do to FT? What did all those Phantom Guild members do to FT?

And it's an army of a military country. We don't know yet whether they have many morals or not, but an invasion force is an invasion force. Also based on what Mest said the Magic Council used Etherion to hold of the invasion. What do you think happened to the people who Etherion was aimed at? An invasion for the purpose of stealing a dangerous artifact.

FT doesn't even have the means to go conquering a country and based on the picture of that building, their power seems quite centralized. Again there are countless of ways they could go around doing this, that's why we read the story, so I'm not going to say anything about what they will be doing specifically, my point is simply they will have to do something big if they want to avoid it and not some chit-chat. You use Edolas as an example and by doing so again proving my statement. Were they having friendly talks there? Were they being stealthy? No. They assaulted the capital, beat the royal army, utterly destroyed their countries most powerful weapon, installed so much fear in their king that he wouldn't even consider doing it again and in the end even took all their world's magic power with them...again this scenario 2. They effectively removed the possibility of Edolas trying to do that ever again. This was not something small and the enemy now is far more greater.

If they want to stop the invasion, they will have to do it with something that equals it unless Hiro decides to go with this arc into a completely different direction, but currently we can only fall back on what we know.
 

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By this argument, we should have seen 10,000 dragons come through the Eclipse Gate and destroy the world and had them fight that instead of just 7. And they didn't even kill the dragons, Natsu just destroyed the Eclipse Gate and that solved everything.

Or that FACE should have activated and taken away all the magic and they had to find some way to get it back, but the dragons just solved everything by destroying all the weapons.

From the talk with Mest, the invasion happens if Fairy Tail fails its goal.

The whole point of hyping the Empire is that if they do invade then Fairy Tail has already lost, as like with the 10,000 dragons they can't possibly win.

Essentially the invasion happens if the heroes lose.

And if they were to launch a initial strike, what would they do to weaken the Empire?

Destroy their army fully of thousands possibly millions of people that had nothing to do with the decision to invade and haven't actually done anything wrong?

This isn't the Avatar arc where the army is made of a bunch of murdering thugs.

Burn the villages and cities to the ground?

Most of them had nothing to do with the decision to invade.

Destroy the government?

How? Kill them all, there is no one to arrest them as they are a legitimate governing body.

Just look at the Edolas arc, they didn't fight to devastate Edolas, they went to rescue their friends and ended up fighting to save all of Edolas.

They only fought the guys that got in their way in that arc and really the was only a few.

And as for the former Guild Master being held by the Empire, Fiore once took Lucy against her will, and Fairy Tail attempted to rescue her, but they didn't start a war and they didn't hold a grudge once she was safe. It was water under the bridge.

Fairy Tail is a Shounen manga, Shounen heroes typically don't go to start a war by launching a preemptive strike.
Most of these examples are completely different matters in completely different contexts. The whole 10 000 dragons thing was inside the series itself a fake future prediction to try to make that prediction actually come true and was already very questionable of being true. All of that was influenced by people time traveling, which makes it a very fickle matter as current actions influence the future. It was also added almost near the end of the arc. This is completely the opposite of the current arc where we immediately get the introduction of an enemy that already tried to attack them once before, but failed due to the usage of weapons that played important roles in past arcs and for which Makarov disbanded the guild of all things and disappeared trying to slow them down, not stopping. Really pointless doing all that if they're just going on a simple rescue mission and be done with it. Unlike the dragons, the AE is very well real and they already tried to assault FT, so technically they already picked a fight. Not to mention FT never had any kind of difficulty in picking fights.

Lucy was imprisoned just for safety by the ruler of their own home country. Going to war with your own king is something very different then going to war with a foreign nation that already tried to invade your country to loot. Also they didn't really had any kind of moral issues beaten the crap out of the king's army. If the same thing happens in the AE, you're in my scenario number 2. If the invasion doesn't happen, it means something was done to prevent it and having a friendly chat is not going to cut it. Then FT should have done something massive there, so again scenario 2.

Now if I follow your argumentation Face should have never activated and the dragons should have never appeared or with other words nothing should have happened at all... Face got activated, but stopped in the nick of time; some dragons appeared, they were driven back. It doesn't matter how it happened, just that it happened. A new strong enemy is introduced that has set its eyes on FT's biggest secret...and they will do nothing according to you, nothing will happen at all? Yeah no they are going to do something. What's the point of introducing an enemy of this magnitude and consequently do nothing with them?

Fact is you already confirmed what I said "the invasion happens if the heroes lose", that's again scenario 2. The possibilities I listed are global ones. We don't have enough information and they could very well change when we get new one. Heck maybe the AE has a civil war going on with different factions? But I'm not going to speculate on that, I base myself on what we do know. So I don't know what FT would do if they strike first and that doesn't matter either. The only thing is that they have to do something if they want to prevent the invasion and just saving Makarov stealthy and/or having a diplomatic talk is going to cut it.

FT has been kicking people's asses continuously. What did all those soldiers of the king do to FT? What did all those Phantom Guild members do to FT?

And it's an army of a military country. We don't know yet whether they have many morals or not, but an invasion force is an invasion force. Also based on what Mest said the Magic Council used Etherion to hold of the invasion. What do you think happened to the people who Etherion was aimed at? An invasion for the purpose of stealing a dangerous artifact.

FT doesn't even have the means to go conquering a country and based on the picture of that building, their power seems quite centralized. Again there are countless of ways they could go around doing this, that's why we read the story, so I'm not going to say anything about what they will be doing specifically, my point is simply they will have to do something big if they want to avoid it and not some chit-chat. You use Edolas as an example and by doing so again proving my statement. Were they having friendly talks there? Were they being stealthy? No. They assaulted the capital, beat the royal army, utterly destroyed their countries most powerful weapon, installed so much fear in their king that he wouldn't even consider doing it again and in the end even took all their world's magic power with them...again this scenario 2. They effectively removed the possibility of Edolas trying to do that ever again. This was not something small and the enemy now is far more greater.

If they want to stop the invasion, they will have to do it with something that equals it unless Hiro decides to go with this arc into a completely different direction, but currently we can only fall back on what we know.
Is there a TL;DR version for the both of you guys? I'm on my phone, so I'll read it later if there isn't one.
 
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Most of these examples are completely different matters in completely different contexts. The whole 10 000 dragons thing was inside the series itself a fake future prediction to try to make that prediction actually come true and was already very questionable of being true. All of that was influenced by people time traveling, which makes it a very fickle matter as current actions influence the future. It was also added almost near the end of the arc. This is completely the opposite of the current arc where we immediately get the introduction of an enemy that already tried to attack them once before, but failed due to the usage of weapons that played important roles in past arcs and for which Makarov disbanded the guild of all things and disappeared trying to slow them down, not stopping. Really pointless doing all that if they're just going on a simple rescue mission and be done with it. Unlike the dragons, the AE is very well real and they already tried to assault FT, so technically they already picked a fight. Not to mention FT never had any kind of difficulty in picking fights.

Lucy was imprisoned just for safety by the ruler of their own home country. Going to war with your own king is something very different then going to war with a foreign nation that already tried to invade your country to loot. Also they didn't really had any kind of moral issues beaten the crap out of the king's army. If the same thing happens in the AE, you're in my scenario number 2. If the invasion doesn't happen, it means something was done to prevent it and having a friendly chat is not going to cut it. Then FT should have done something massive there, so again scenario 2.

Now if I follow your argumentation Face should have never activated and the dragons should have never appeared or with other words nothing should have happened at all... Face got activated, but stopped in the nick of time; some dragons appeared, they were driven back. It doesn't matter how it happened, just that it happened. A new strong enemy is introduced that has set its eyes on FT's biggest secret...and they will do nothing according to you, nothing will happen at all? Yeah no they are going to do something. What's the point of introducing an enemy of this magnitude and consequently do nothing with them?

Fact is you already confirmed what I said "the invasion happens if the heroes lose", that's again scenario 2. The possibilities I listed are global ones. We don't have enough information and they could very well change when we get new one. Heck maybe the AE has a civil war going on with different factions? But I'm not going to speculate on that, I base myself on what we do know. So I don't know what FT would do if they strike first and that doesn't matter either. The only thing is that they have to do something if they want to prevent the invasion and just saving Makarov stealthy and/or having a diplomatic talk is going to cut it.

FT has been kicking people's asses continuously. What did all those soldiers of the king do to FT? What did all those Phantom Guild members do to FT?

And it's an army of a military country. We don't know yet whether they have many morals or not, but an invasion force is an invasion force. Also based on what Mest said the Magic Council used Etherion to hold of the invasion. What do you think happened to the people who Etherion was aimed at? An invasion for the purpose of stealing a dangerous artifact.

FT doesn't even have the means to go conquering a country and based on the picture of that building, their power seems quite centralized. Again there are countless of ways they could go around doing this, that's why we read the story, so I'm not going to say anything about what they will be doing specifically, my point is simply they will have to do something big if they want to avoid it and not some chit-chat. You use Edolas as an example and by doing so again proving my statement. Were they having friendly talks there? Were they being stealthy? No. They assaulted the capital, beat the royal army, utterly destroyed their countries most powerful weapon, installed so much fear in their king that he wouldn't even consider doing it again and in the end even took all their world's magic power with them...again this scenario 2. They effectively removed the possibility of Edolas trying to do that ever again. This was not something small and the enemy now is far more greater.

If they want to stop the invasion, they will have to do it with something that equals it unless Hiro decides to go with this arc into a completely different direction, but currently we can only fall back on what we know.
Your putting words in my mouth.

I never said that Fairy Tail won't do anything, they just won't go and destroy or devastate a kingdom.

And its a country, not a global terrorist organization, they can't just go smashing it up.

Now will they have to beat a few people up to rescue the former Guild Master, yes. Will they kill anyone? No.

Maybe you haven't realized it yet, but the members of Fairy Tail for the most part haven't actually killed any humans, so if they don't kill, how will they weaken this nation through violence? And even if they were to sabotage the nation through violence, how will that prevent a invasion?

Typically attacking a massive Empire and then leaving doesn't prevent invasion unless you destroy most of it and that would require killing thousands to millions of people. And if they do invade Fairy Tail would have to kill many people.

Which once again, the members of Fairy Tail don't do, so chances are the invasion is prevented without Fairy Tail killing anyone.

And even if they were willing to kill the invasion army, well the Magic Council stopped the invasion before by killing many of them and they are trying again, so if they just repeat that then it won't solve anything, just delay the invasion a second time.

In all the other cases you listed, were other Guilds, they didn't kill any of them (except for Tartaros Guild in which case none of them were human), they just beat them up and then they were arrested by the magical council. Well there is no magical council to arrest the leadership or army of a nation, so just beating them up will accomplish nothing.

So once the former Guild Master is safe, attacking the nation directly won't solve anything. And even if Fairy Tail did kill many people there, they will replenish their ranks and then attack again in a few years. They will keep trying as long as they want the LH and they will have a grudge on top of it.

The only permanent solution is diplomacy, they need to find out why they want it and resolve the situation.

Most likely it will be something that ties to Zeref as almost every arc does, and the Empire needs the LH to save their own country from being destroyed by a group of demons or more lunatics who worship him.

Plus how can a nation be evil, its made of millions of people with differing opinions, and even if the army was amoral, its a manga where bad guys rarely get killed and in many cases wind up becoming good guys.


Notice, that Gajeel, Laxus and his group, Juvia, the Oracion Seis, Jelal and his entire group, and many other characters who are former enemies of Fairy Tail are very much alive and many of them were planning to do things just as bad if not worse.
They didn't kill anyone in Edolas despite that the government tried to kill them all.

They didn't even kill anyone in the Avatar group despite them about to commit mass murder, so why would they kill everyone in an invading army even if they were evil.

On top of that its a Shounen manga, how many Shounen mangas about the power of friendship have a group of character turn an entire nation inside out or go killing entire armies of humans?

Is there a TL;DR version for the both of you guys? I'm on my phone, so I'll read it later if there isn't one.
I don't know if it will help but I can summarize it.

My main points are as follows:

1. The invasion will be stopped before it happens because its a manga where the heroes don't kill humans and once the invasion happens it would require them to kill many humans to stop.

2. A war with the other nation won't happen as once again the heroes don't kill humans and there is no way to beat a Empire without killing thousands.

3. They will rescue the former Guild master and probably beat a bunch of guards up and fight some of the stronger guys in the Empire (but once again not kill).

4. Then they will learn why the Empire needs the LH, which will be to stop some evil organization that is threatening their country and it will be connected to Zeref as almost every arc does or possibly some other threat.

5. They will end up saving the Empire and in turn the Empire won't invade (and become friends with some of the leaders of the Empire).

6. Its a Shounen manga, in how many Shounen manga's, about the power of friendship, are the problems solved by killing thousands to millions of people regardless of morality and situation? The answer is very few to almost none.
 
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All of you guys talking about that, but to stop the invasion, they need to know what LH does and what does the AE want with it, which can only be answered by Gildarts or Makarov, knowing Natsu, he'd try and rescue Makarov, but seriously, against a whole empire which makes the whole Ishvar country tremble? If LH would be a black magic/weapon created by Zeref, probaly, then there would be no way for them to save themselves unless they use it against the AE, because if they give it to them, they'll use it to probaly conquer the world or something of sorts, I also think that, the AE country is a Dictatorship, which probaly means that the people is opressed, a way I can see them resolving is they infiltrate AE to find the reason why AE wants LH and a way to stop them, they may find a rebellion, and most likely help it and attack the higher ranked members and the leader, if this scenario were to happen, they would stop the invasion as the rebellion members would be grateful or FT and Ishvar for helping them and wouldn't seek LH, just a possibility.
 

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All of you guys talking about that, but to stop the invasion, they need to know what LH does and what does the AE want with it, which can only be answered by Gildarts or Makarov, knowing Natsu, he'd try and rescue Makarov, but seriously, against a whole empire which makes the whole Ishvar country tremble? If LH would be a black magic/weapon created by Zeref, probaly, then there would be no way for them to save themselves unless they use it against the AE, because if they give it to them, they'll use it to probaly conquer the world or something of sorts, I also think that, the AE country is a Dictatorship, which probaly means that the people is opressed, a way I can see them resolving is they infiltrate AE to find the reason why AE wants LH and a way to stop them, they may find a rebellion, and most likely help it and attack the higher ranked members and the leader, if this scenario were to happen, they would stop the invasion as the rebellion members would be grateful or FT and Ishvar for helping them and wouldn't seek LH, just a possibility.
You do realize that Fiore is also a dictatorship as well right, dictatorship and oppression don't go hand in hand.

Although, the concept of the government being oppressive and Fairy Tail aiding a rebellion is very possible.
 
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You do realize that Fiore is also a dictatorship as well right, dictatorship and oppression don't go hand in hand.

Although, the concept of the government being oppressive and Fairy Tail aiding a rebellion is very possible.
Actually they do, Dictatorship = all the power in the hand of one person, most if not all the ditactorships in history were oppressing but they hide that opression throught giving the population what they want little by little, and giving them enterteinment. A Monarc isn't necessary a Dictator, I don't see it as a Dictatorship because we have the council as well.
 

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Actually they do, Dictatorship = all the power in the hand of one person, most if not all the ditactorships in history were oppressing but they hide that opression throught giving the population what they want little by little, and giving them enterteinment. A Monarc isn't necessary a Dictator, I don't see it as a Dictatorship because we have the council as well.
There have been many dictators that were benevolent rulers and there have been governments that are technically democracy but still oppress the people.

And oppression doesn't mean one person having all the power, it means they are bad rulers that treat the people terribly.

No system of government is inherently evil, and since we are talking about the Fairy Tail universe in Fiore the King has all the power, as he was able to have all charges against Natsu dropped, after he destroyed the stadium for the Grand Magic Games, just because he liked him.

And the Empire is a military government formed by 730 Guilds, so its unlikely for all the power to be in one persons hands, as they wouldn't have united only to give up their own individual power, so its very unlikely to be a dictatorship.

So really Fiore could be more of a dictatorship than the A. Empire.

Edit: This is assuming that this God that makes up the next chapter's title isn't the leader of the Empire.
 
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Ooo, Natsu's gonna be so pissed :0 5/5 Chap, No less expected from Makarov, he's the best the guild could have had.
Lumen Histoire still a mystery, that kindda pisses me off lol xD when is hiro gonna tell us about it >.<
Mest's character is quite interesting doe xD
Tho im a bit disappointed that FTs biggest secret was given away to everybody 'just like that' xD
And im not liking how hiro is keeping Gildarts off panel for the plot, im sure he got plans for Laxus' return related to the Arbaless kingdom.
 

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Your putting words in my mouth.

I never said that Fairy Tail won't do anything, they just won't go and destroy or devastate a kingdom.

And its a country, not a global terrorist organization, they can't just go smashing it up.

Now will they have to beat a few people up to rescue the former Guild Master, yes. Will they kill anyone? No.

I thought Natus killed that God of war(Whoever it is).
 

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I thought Natus killed that God of war(Whoever it is).
If you follow the argument you will see that I said that they don't kill humans, they kill gods and they try to kill demons and dragons, but not humans.

Look through the series, Natsu hasn't actually killed any humans.
 

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If you follow the argument you will see that I said that they don't kill humans, they kill gods and they try to kill demons and dragons, but not humans.

Look through the series, Natsu hasn't actually killed any humans.

So murdering demons and gods doesn't count as killing?
 
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