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Hiruzen's water style's height VS Mei's water pillar height

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So let's get the size of Hiruzen's water attack.
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Hiruzen is 10 pixels tall and his water attack is 185 pixels tall. Hiruzen is 163.1 cm tall which means he is 1.631 m tall. His water attack is 18.5 times as tall as himself so that means his water attack is 18.5X1.631 m in height which is equal to 30.1735 m.

Let's get the size of Madara to his susanoo.
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Madara is 63 pixels while his susanoo is 227 pixels tall. Madara is 179 cm tall which is equal to 1.79 m. His susanoo is 227/63 = 3.6 times larger than himself which means his susanoo is 3.6X1.79 m = 6.45 m tall.

Let's get the height of Mei's water pillar to Madara's susanoo.
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Mei's water pillar is 342 pixels tall while Madara's susanoo is 90 pixels tall. Mei's water pillar is 342/90 = 3.8 times taller than Madara's susanoo so her water pillar's height is 3.8X6.45 m = 24.51 m tall.

Do bare in mind that we can't see the entire susanoo when compared to Madara even though we see the entire susanoo when compared to the water pillar so in actual fact, Mei's water pillar is a bit taller.

I guess they are roughly comparable so Mei's water pillar is on the same tier when it comes to a single element of Hiruzen's when it comes to scale.
 
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Okay now let's compare Kakuzu's fuuton tech to these other techs.
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Kakuzu is 42 pixels tall while the tree is 659 pixels tall.
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This means the trees are 15.69 times larger than Kakuzu who is 1.85 m tall. This means the trees are 15.69X1.85 m tall which is equal to 29.03 m height. Therefore, Kakuzu's fuuton is also in the same league as the other two jutsus.
 
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Zexion~ said:
As is his combination, which Ko's both of those techniques.
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Hiruzen's fuuton + katon combo should stalemate Kakuzu's if their individual elements are on par with each other. I think Mei should still be able to defend herself due to elemental advantage but she can't overpower Kakuzu in anyway unlike how I thought previously.

Edit: Nevermind, a fuuton of the same size as a suiton will be weaker than the suiton if they are both pressure based because suiton is way more massive than fuuton. So a WD from Mei should still pack a greater punch than Kakuzu's fuuton provided she uses the same amount of water in her water dragon compared to water pillar. The range of Mei's WD is as wide as a Tsunade + Onoki enhanced jinton cube so her range is above Kakuzu and Hiruzen. It's speed is also on a high level considering it caught Madara off guard.
 
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Icelerate said:
Hiruzen's fuuton + katon combo should stalemate Kakuzu's if their individual elements are on par with each other. I think Mei should still be able to defend herself due to elemental advantage but she can't overpower Kakuzu in anyway unlike how I thought previously.

Edit: Nevermind, a fuuton of the same size as a suiton will be weaker than the suiton if they are both pressure based because suiton is way more massive than fuuton. So a WD from Mei should still pack a greater punch than Kakuzu's fuuton provided she uses the same amount of water in her water dragon compared to water pillar. The range of Mei's WD is as wide as a Tsunade + Onoki enhanced jinton cube so her range is above Kakuzu and Hiruzen. It's speed is also on a high level considering it caught Madara off guard.
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Hiruzen can Ice, but Mei can't


You said they have equal size then proceed to say the suiton is more massive?

Nah, Kakuzu's fuuton is special as it crushes/condenses and suiton is based on form so if a piece of it is disrupted it all goes down. Which Kakuzus fuuton will cause
 
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Zexion~ said:
You said they have equal size then proceed to say the suiton is more massive?
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Equal size but density is not the same so the water ones have more mass. Density = Mass/Volume <==> Mass = DensityXVolume.
Volume is the same but density isn't considering water is more dense than air so the water attacks have more mass which translates to more momentum assuming equal velocity. Unless you can somehow prove that Kakuzu's fuuton is much faster to compensate for its lack of mass.
Nah, Kakuzu's fuuton is special as it crushes/condenses and suiton is based on form so if a piece of it is disrupted it all goes down. Which Kakuzus fuuton will cause
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which means it doesn't crush. Your logic is flawed because going by your logic, if Kakuzu's fuuton will cause FRS to get disrupted even a bit, it will all go down. Kakuzu's fuuton has to be stronger than the jutsu it is trying to overpower to get it disrupted. If the jutsus are equal, Kakuzu's fuuton will cause it to disperse but Kakuzu's own fuuton will also end up dissipating.
 
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PawsX said:
Nice thread but none of these Justus are on Boss summons/Bijuu size scales.
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No, Gamabunta is only 18 m tall and he is roughly as large as tall as bijuu. These jutsus are at least 1.5 times taller.
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>Using pixel scaling.
Legit. :bdpf:
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It's to get a rough approximation while using precision to avoid a large inaccuracy.
 
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Icelerate said:
Equal size but density is not the same so the water ones have more mass. Density = Mass/Volume <==> Mass = DensityXVolume.
Volume is the same but density isn't considering water is more dense than air so the water attacks have more mass which translates to more momentum assuming equal velocity. Unless you can somehow prove that Kakuzu's fuuton is much faster to compensate for its lack of mass.

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which means it doesn't crush. Your logic is flawed because going by your logic, if Kakuzu's fuuton will cause FRS to get disrupted even a bit, it will all go down. Kakuzu's fuuton has to be stronger than the jutsu it is trying to overpower to get it disrupted. If the jutsus are equal, Kakuzu's fuuton will cause it to disperse but Kakuzu's own fuuton will also end up dissipating.
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"Air pressure raised to the extreme" I think you should know what extreme air pressure does. "When it impacts" = When the densely compacted mass reaches its climax :lol

The word exploding is being used here to emphasize the instantaneous and spread of the attack that comes with mastery....the conditions stay the same .-.
 
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PawsX said:
Buhha is roughly the size of boss summons and bijuus and it dwarfs Hiruzen's suiton. These pixel to meters scales are tricky.
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Nah compared to the Buddha, people looked like dots. Spiral Zetsu is smaller than the five heads which spit out jutsu but even they were incredibly small compared to the Buddha.
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Compared to bijuu, people are small but not dots. Although by pixel scaling, Gamabunta is probably larger than 18 m. Hiruzen suiton isn't dwarfed by the Buddha in anyway even though it is smaller. By pixel scaling, the Buddha is probably 60 m tall way above Gamabunta's canon height.
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"Air pressure raised to the extreme" I think you should know what extreme air pressure does. "When it impacts" = When the densely compacted mass reaches its climax :lol

The word exploding is being used here to emphasize the instantaneous and spread of the attack that comes with mastery....the conditions stay the same .-.
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Extreme air pressure is a relative term. It may be extreme pressure compared to ordinary air pressure but normal water pressure is already way above normal air pressure so how does this support your point?
 
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Icelerate said:
Nah compared to the Buddha, people looked like dots. Spiral Zetsu is smaller than the five heads which spit out jutsu but even they were incredibly small compared to the Buddha.
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Compared to bijuu, people are small but not dots. Although by pixel scaling, Gamabunta is probably larger than 18 m. Hiruzen suiton isn't dwarfed by the Buddha in anyway even though it is smaller. By pixel scaling, the Buddha is probably 60 m tall way above Gamabunta's canon height.

Extreme air pressure is a relative term. It may be extreme pressure compared to ordinary air pressure but normal water pressure is already way above normal air pressure so how does this support your point?
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Because water pressure doesn't matter at all? The air is surrounding the water, so its pressure will play out, water pressure is something that can't clash with air pressure as the pressure itself negates any air on the inside. It gets dissolved you mongrel .-.


Also i'm pretty sure pixels can only be compared in the same zoom....
 
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Icelerate said:
Nah compared to the Buddha, people looked like dots. Spiral Zetsu is smaller than the five heads which spit out jutsu but even they were incredibly small compared to the Buddha.
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Compared to bijuu, people are small but not dots. Although by pixel scaling, Gamabunta is probably larger than 18 m. Hiruzen suiton isn't dwarfed by the Buddha in anyway even though it is smaller. By pixel scaling, the Buddha is probably 60 m tall way above Gamabunta's canon height.
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Kishi's scales dont always match up.
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make people looks like dots too.

Buhhda sitting down is definitely bigger than a boss summon but not by a large margin.

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