[Discussion] Do you value justice higher than mercy?

[Norma Louise Bates]

I value Norman more than anything <3

 

[ANiMUS]

I value Norman more than anything <3

U created a female account to love u Norman

 

[Norman Bates]

U created a female account to love u Norman

This is my account. Mother has her own, as evident by her post above.

I value Norman more than anything <3

And I you, Mother <3

 

[Izou Xaxa]

My answer would be justice but actually everyone has their own sense of justice

I have my own justice....other people dont accept my justice as justice but in my eyes its justice

So actually what im trying to say is that each human actually has their own sense of justice and mercy

 

[NineSNS]

I think if there was any doubt about your 4th letter, it should be P, since you seem to be uncomfortable making this decision

As for me, I prefer justice.

 

[Yubel]

So, if I come home and find someone attempting to rape my child and I hit them over the head with a heavy object to protect my child, I deserve the same sentence as a man who steps out of his house and shoots a man because that's how he gets his rocks off?

That's not what I said, however in your example you should be able to legally kill that person for breaking into your home. There is a reason the justice system exists, if everyone carried out their own justice there would be no point of it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not what I said, however in your example you should be able to legally kill that person for breaking into your home. There is a reason the justice system exists, if everyone carried out their own justice there would be no point of it.

No, that's exactly what you said.

If a person commits a crime then their reason shouldn't even be relevant. No matter what their unique life experience was that lead up to that point, they still broke the law and should therefore be punished just as a person who did the same thing with the full intention of breaking it. We can't be favoring one person over another when they commited the same crime because there is no justice then, if two people were convicted of murder and one used a gun and another a knife then they should get the same sentence. However, even saying this I can only support this view if the other person isn't wrongly accused.

I'll give you sec to work on consistency.

 

[Karna]

I value Norman more than anything <3

This is my account. Mother has her own, as evident by her post above.




And I you, Mother <3

You're outright spamming now, posting stuff that has zero reverence to the topic. Rp is fine only as long as you keep it to the point and contribute to the discussion, also I've added the kid to ignore list because I got tired of this mother bs and I am doing the same to the mother cause she's annoying and no one cares about your role playing.

If a person commits a crime then their reason shouldn't even be relevant. No matter what their unique life experience was that lead up to that point, they still broke the law and should therefore be punished just as a person who did the same thing with the full intention of breaking it. We can't be favoring one person over another when they commited the same crime because there is no justice then, if two people were convicted of murder and one used a gun and another a knife then they should get the same sentence. However, even saying this I can only support this view if the other person isn't wrongly accused.

You have your answer right here, you value justice above mercy.

Though imo Politically correct(rigid/purely technical) justice has no meaning, it should also have a positive effect, I think mercy should be granted according to the criminal and crime-rules are there only to establish a guideline around which decisions can be made by considering every factor, a decision made by a wise human such that it has a positive effect overall. I mean why be stupid and deliver the so-called justice(politically correct one) if it doesn't benefit anyone, who are we afraid of? Do we believe like there is someone judging us from above is that what drives us to do that or is it to please/keep tamed the stupid- who are purely driven by their untamed anger/fear/vengeance/lust/greed etc. But to answer your question simply I value mercy more then justice since any justice w/o mercy is pointless.

Not to even mention that I think our idea of justice is rather petty, my mind goes more towards the idea of karma/reincarnation. However that's a topic for another dayU_U.

 

[Yubel]

No, that's exactly what you said.


I'll give you sec to work on consistency.

The circumstances are relevant, their personal reason/motivation is not.

Anyway for anyone wondering, I answered yes on this question and the results say I'm an INTJ.

 

[Norman Bates]

You're outright spamming now, posting stuff that has zero reverence to the topic. Rp is fine only as long as you keep it to the point and contribute to the discussion, also I've added the kid to ignore list because I got tired of this mother bs and I am doing the same to the mother cause she's annoying and no one cares about your role playing.

I, and Mother for that matter for whom I speaking for as I do not wish her to have to deal with your harmful words, have contributed to every single discussion we've ever been in. That is not spamming. And what are you talking about? Who is role playing? You're psychotic, but enough about all of this, let us go back to the topic.

I completely agree with Mr. Riker Slade. It can be a mix of both. Nothing is black and white. I do not think I could pick a side.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The circumstances are relevant, their personal reason/motivation is not.

Anyway for anyone wondering, I answered yes on this question and the results say I'm an INTJ.

I hate to break it to you, but circumstances and reason are the same thing. You're still contradicting yourself, I'm afraid.

 

[Yubel]

I hate to break it to you, but circumstances and reason are the same thing.

The circumstances explain your role more reliably than your reason no matter how good they are.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, your actions are what defines you.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The circumstances explain your role more reliably than your reason no matter how good they are.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, your actions are what defines you.

Not true because they're the same thing.
Circumstance: My child was being raped, so I moved to stop him
Reason: My child was being raped, so I moved to stop him.

Come now, to err is to be human.

 

[Yubel]

Not true because they're the same thing.
Circumstance: My child was being raped, so I moved to stop him
Reason: My child was being raped, so I moved to stop him.

Come now, to err is to be human.

Circumstance: Child was being raped and you killed the rapist
Reason: Child was being raped so you moved to stop him
Notice how you did more than just stop him.

Your circumstance allows you to have a reason to act a certain way but your motivation and circumstance can sometimes differ like night and day. Looking at the circumstance will almost always give you the bigger picture of what actually happened and who was right. You can easily kill someone and claim that you were scared they had a gun and were going to shoot first. Even if your reason is true, the circumstances tell a different tale like for instance; a thuggish looking person was walking down the street nonchalantly and they gave each other eye contact before the you decided to shoot him and it turns out he wasn't even armed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Circumstance: Child was being raped and you killed the rapist
Reason: Child was being raped so you moved to stop him
Notice how you did more than just stop him.

Your circumstance allows you to have a reason to act a certain way but your motivation and circumstance can sometimes differ like night and day. Looking at the circumstance will almost always give you the bigger picture of what actually happened and who was right. You can easily kill someone and claim that you were scared they had a gun and were going to shoot first. Even if your reason is true, the circumstances tell a different tale like for instance; a thuggish looking person was walking down the street nonchalantly and they gave each other eye contact before the you decided to shoot him and it turns out he wasn't even armed.

LMAO what you put for circumstance and reason are no different.
@Bolded: What you listed there can be a circumstance; the circumstance was someone was scared the other person had a gun, so they shot them. The reason is someone was scared the other person had a gun, so they shot them. The circumstances of an event are what caused the event to happen. AKA, the reason the event happened. The event: Rapist was killed. Why were they killed, they were raping someone's daughter. This isn't rocket science.

 

[Yubel]

LMAO what you put for circumstance and reason are no different.
@Bolded: What you listed there can be a circumstance; the circumstance was someone was scared the other person had a gun, so they shot them. The reason is someone was scared the other person had a gun, so they shot them. The circumstances of an event are what caused the event to happen. AKA, the reason the event happened. The event: Rapist was killed. Why were they killed, they were raping someone's daughter. This isn't rocket science.

They are, if you see someone get physically assaulted, you don't pull out a gun and shoot them dead, you push them away from the other person. That's how you "stop" someone, anything else is unnecessary and exaggerated use of force, the same is true of sexual assault.

 

[Punk Hazard]

They are, if you see someone get physically assaulted, you don't pull out a gun and shoot them dead, you push them away from the other person. That's how you "stop" someone, anything else is unnecessary and exaggerated use of force, the same is true of sexual assault.

I never said that there aren't better ways to handle the situation. But the fact remains that circumstances, aka reasons, behind the act matter and determines the punishment, not just the act itself. Otherwise the man in the rape scenario I brought up earlier deserves the same punishment as a man who kills because he's psychotic and enjoys it, and we know this isn't the case.

 

[Yubel]

I never said that there aren't better ways to handle the situation. But the fact remains that circumstances, aka reasons, behind the act matter and determines the punishment, not just the act itself. Otherwise the man in the rape scenario I brought up earlier deserves the same punishment as a man who kills because he's psychotic and enjoys it, and we know this isn't the case.

Even if they have the same reason(because they enjoy it), rape is not the same thing as murder.
There you have a prime example illustrating the difference between circumstance and reason.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Even if they have the same reason(because they enjoy it), rape is not the same thing as murder.
There you have a prime example illustrating the difference between circumstance and reason.

I'm not comparing the rapist to the murderer, Sherlock, I'm comparing the two people who committed murder.

 

[Disquiet]

Remember, it's if you value justice higher than mercy, not if you're a merciless person.

You made the mistake of believing that because there's a potential for wrong convictions, you're more merciful than you are a person of justice. You have people that will go rather light on individual identified culprits, but will simply rationalize a "punish them all including that one innocent" scenario into a punish all result.

I'll use myself as an example. Obviously, I am not going to abandon the idea of punishments for those who were wrongly convicted. At the same time, if I gave a thief probation, how would I compare on the mercy scale to a judge who would have given that person jail time?

Furthermore, the baseline you're using isn't an effective means of deduction. Precisely because the more justice oriented one is, the less likely they'll not have a problem with innocent people being convicted. See what I mean? The more highly you value justice (assuming we're talking about a blatantly "pure" sense of justice here), the more likely it is you'll possibly even want to do something about those that are wrongly convicted.

Justice, morality, and mercy can often become intertwined. If someone did something you felt was wrong (morality), you may want to punish that person (justice), which can then depend on your mercy (and of course your ability to do so). A case where they're not all intertwined would be like having a neutral attitude toward whether or not someone running a red-light at 3am in wrong (or another example would be wearing a seat belt), but agree they have no right to complain about the ticket since they broke the law. Anyways, it's in you to feel something wrong with people getting innocently convicted, this is not mercy, this is morality. Now, mercy itself may very well be an act we extend because we feel immoral otherwise, but your case is still largely a morality one. It's not the offenders themselves that are getting your mercy, you said you wouldn't show them any, but it's the people who shouldn't even be subject to it in the first place. You don't go and throw a pebble at a person who has done nothing to you, and then say to yourself you would have been merciful had you not done so. No, it's more of a question of morality.


I also think you aren't being fair to yourself with that reasoning you're using. That's like... beating yourself up about whether or not you think retarded people should be killed off because when asked the question "Do you think more retarded people should be born into the world"? you chose no. Now, it's understandable why you wouldn't wish retarded people into the world, but does that mean you automatically think all the existing ones should be killed? Then imagine going from there to questioning how highly you value life.

If that's all that was keeping you guessing, I think it would have been trivial to the reality of your answer.