Rematch: Minato vs Obito

[TRE MERCER]

Minato only won because of prep? When will you stop saying stuff that just isn't true? Obito only got Minato in the position where he'd need prep to escape because he sneak attacked Minato who wasn't even aware the kid existed. That obviously wouldn't happen in a VS battle, so Obito gets slaughtered all the same.

Which I already addressed. Obito being faster doesn't mean that he's faster than Minato. Let alone Sage Minato. Obito winning is a joke.

Minato is constantly overrated but that nothing new here. Also did you forget Obito has Rinnegan in that scenario as well?​

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato is constantly overrated but that nothing new here. Also did you forget Obito has Rinnegan in that scenario as well?​

Doesn't mean much when you consistently fail to put up an argument besides the overused and over countered stuff you usually bring. :lol

Sc2: Minato fused with Ma & Pa vs War arc Obito with a sharingan in his left eye.

And no, he doesn't. War Arc Obito has MS in his right eye, and Rinnegan in his left eye. War Arc Obito w/ a Sharingan in his left eye is Obito w/ MS and 3-Tomoe. Basically Obito before the War Arc, but he has Madara's Gunbai.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't mean much when you consistently fail to put up an argument besides the overused and over countered stuff you usually bring. :lol



And no, he doesn't. War Arc Obito has MS in his right eye, and Rinnegan in his left eye. War Arc Obito w/ a Sharingan in his left eye is Obito w/ MS and 3-Tomoe. Basically Obito before the War Arc, but he has Madara's Gunbai.

I explained long ago why Adult Ms Obito beats Minato.(Via better reaction time,Stronger and bigger techs,More versatile plus he won't be on a time limit like he was last time) Even if it is a 3tomoe Obito still wins.​

 

[KidGamer65]

I explained long ago why Adult Ms Obito beats Minato.(Via better reaction time,Stronger and bigger techs,More versatile plus he won't be on a time limit like he was last time) Even if it is a 3tomoe Obito still wins.​

-Already countered reaction time. If it's not superior to Minato's it doesn't even matter.

-Stronger and bigger techs means jack when his stronger and bigger techs can't even hit Minato.

-More versatile? He was more versatile last time and he still lost.

-The time limit doesn't change any of the above. He can't stop Minato. He can't touch Minato, but Minato can touch him.

Do the math and stop fanboying. All of your explanations have been countered by plenty of people in the past yet you hold on to the same exact arguments. That's why arguing with you and others like you is a waste of time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

-Already countered reaction time. If it's not superior to Minato's it doesn't even matter.

-Stronger and bigger techs means jack when his stronger and bigger techs can't even hit Minato.

-More versatile? He was more versatile last time and he still lost.

-The time limit doesn't change any of the above. He can't stop Minato. He can't touch Minato, but Minato can touch him.

Do the math and stop fanboying. All of your explanations have been countered by plenty of people in the past yet you hold on to the same exact arguments. That's why arguing with you and others like you is a waste of time.

His reaction time isn't superior to Minato l0l stop.

How was he more versatile? All he did was rush Minato with chainz not only was he wreckless he was on a time limit plus he was a kid(13-14) As Hebi Sasuke compared to part 1 Sasuke shows with age comes better reaction time and all around speed. He can't touch Minato but Minato can touch him Lmao.

Anytime i defend Obito im fanboying sure... Don't waste your time here just concede then.​

 

[EZQ]

His reaction time isn't superior to Minato l0l stop.

How was he more versatile? All he did was rush Minato with chainz not only was he wreckless he was on a time limit plus he was a kid(13-14) As Hebi Sasuke compared to part 1 Sasuke shows with age comes better reaction time and all around speed. He can't touch Minato but Minato can touch him Lmao.

Anytime i defend Obito im fanboying sure... Don't waste your time here just concede then.​

Minato's reaction speed > Obito's , he even has SM so how are you even arguing this?

But lets say you are right.. lets say Obito's reaction speed surpassed Minato's. How does this change the result of their last meeting? Minato's SM reflexes should be more than enough to react to Obito's kamui if Obito is trying to warp him away, Obito's Kamui's speed hasn't changed until you proof otherwise (but you won't). Minato already reacted to Obito's kamui in canon and now with SM reflexes he has to dodge the same atack? Minato's reflexes went even bigger in the war arc while Obito's kamui didn't bring any changes on its speed what so ever. That's it for Obito warping minato away, now lets move to how is Obito touching minato?, Minato escaped Ay's fastest punch which is faster than anything Obito has. It doesn't matter if Obito can use Mokuton or bigass Fire jutsu, since they wont be hitting minato, on the other hand, all minato has to do is wait for Obito to materialize and Rasengan his ass, which would be easier than the last time since minato now showed he can use FTG with clones.

I don't see Obito touching Minato if its not with his Gedo Mazo or his Bijuus

 

[Great Master Minato]

KCM Minato is not "too much" for obito. Why do people exagerate?

I suppose Minato's FTG mark is not already tagged on obito like in the manga.

Rinnengan Obito beats minato. It depends on Obito's restrictions tough. If obito atacks with the Gedo Mazo or with the bijuus then there's no need for him to materialize (idk if i wrote that right) since he won't need to touch minato himself. And if Obito doesn't materialize Minato is never touching him.

If gedo mazo and bijuus are restricted then Obito loses again.

BM Minato is a different story tough, he can fight even against the gedo mazo, but the main problem are the bijuus.

IMO it goes like this:

Obito without Gedo mazo and bijuus: Loses to Alive minato and KCM minato (of course BM too)

Obito with Gedo mazo and without bijuus: Beats alive and KCM Minato, BM Minato can push him to high diff or take this.

Obito with gedo mazo and bijuus: Beats every form of minato

Scenario 2 is a joke. That left eye is only working for Izanagi, and he will use it just to get stomped again.

The only way Obito beats Minato is in a match he doesn't need to atack with his own body! Because if he materializes he gets FTG'ed

@bold 1 KCM Minato is too much for Obito without his paths.

@bold 2 No! BM Minato manhandles the Bijuus, 50% Kurama > 2-7 tails combined plus Gedo Mazo can't catch Minato & evetually gets nuked from there Minato proceeds to slaughter Obito so yeah BM Minato beats Obito even with his paths...BM Minato is just too much for him.

 

[KidGamer65]

His reaction time isn't superior to Minato l0l stop​

Based on what again?

Oh wait, nothing. What did I expect?

How was he more versatile? All he did was rush Minato with chainz not only was he wreckless he was on a time limit plus he was a kid(13-14) As Hebi Sasuke compared to part 1 Sasuke shows with age comes better reaction time and all around speed. He can't touch Minato but Minato can touch him Lmao.

Obito's abilities were the same as they are now, he just didn't use them because they are shit. You keep repeating this "Better reaction time" argument like it means anything here, but you keep ignoring the obvious flaw in your logic. OBITO GETTING FASTER DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE GOT FASTER THAN MINATO, let alone Minato with Sage Mode. Either prove that he did or stop arguing for Obito, cause you are only fanboying at this point.

Anytime i defend Obito im fanboying sure... Don't waste your time here just concede then.

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Because every time you defend Obito, you ignore, twist or deny Manga fact and provide trash argumentation.

 

[ARGUS]

Rinnegan obito wins
Ms obito gets schooled

 

[EZQ]

@bold 1 KCM Minato is too much for Obito without his paths.

@bold 2 No! BM Minato manhandles the Bijuus, 50% Kurama > 2-7 tails combined plus Gedo Mazo can't catch Minato & evetually gets nuked from there Minato proceeds to slaughter Obito so yeah BM Minato beats Obito even with his paths...BM Minato is just too much for him.

50% Kuramas BIJU DAMA is = To the other's combined BIJU DAMA. That's only for bijudamas, 50% Kurama is not stronger than the other bijuus combined, what kind of fan fiction is that? Minato isn't beating all the paths if they're combined, Biju damas are not the only atack they can do. If minato has to put down the bijus one by one he's screwed, he needs to charge a TBB strong enough to kill Bijuus, which i gues has to be a really large TBB, and if he takes that long time just to charge a TBB he becomes a steady target for the other bijuus. So, Minato has no means to beat all the bijuus at the same time and if he tries to take them down one by one he loses too much time charging the TBB and would get atacked by the other bijus (since TBB is the only atack he has to take down a tailed beast).

So no, BM Minato is no way taking on Rinnengan obito with his paths. lol.

If you are gonna answer, just bother to answer this question: How is Minato taking down the bijuus?

 

[Great Master Minato]

50% Kuramas BIJU DAMA is = To the other's combined BIJU DAMA. That's only for bijudamas, 50% Kurama is not stronger than the other bijuus combined, what kind of fan fiction is that? Minato isn't beating all the paths if they're combined, Biju damas are not the only atack they can do. If minato has to put down the bijus one by one he's screwed, he needs to charge a TBB strong enough to kill Bijuus, which i gues has to be a really large TBB, and if he takes that long time just to charge a TBB he becomes a steady target for the other bijuus. So, Minato has no means to beat all the bijuus at the same time and if he tries to take them down one by one he loses too much time charging the TBB and would get atacked by the other bijus (since TBB is the only atack he has to take down a tailed beast).

So no, BM Minato is no way taking on Rinnengan obito with his paths. lol.

If you are gonna answer, just bother to answer this question: How is Minato taking down the bijuus?

First of all how they gonna screw Minato? Any Bijuu Dama either gets tanked or flicked back by Kurama's tails, at worst case Minato can redirect them via Guiding thunder.

They don't have enough firepower to put him down, Kurama Avatar's tails tanked Juubi's laser which is many times stronger than 2-7 tails Bijuu Damas combined let alone one by one.

Now to answer your last question, remember Hachibi's (that should be more durable than other Bijuus aside from Kyuubi) was heavily injured (to the point that Bee couldn't maintain BM any longer) by his own regular Bijuu Dama which nowhere near the level of Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama.

Conclusion : Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama which takes almost no time to form can one shot any of Obito's Jins & force them to go back to base (being non-factors)

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

What's he doing against Frog Song? Minato's teleporting just negates anything Obito wants to try. Obito doesn't use Shadow Clones and has no allies fast like the toads of Minato, so he's overwhelmed in every way in speed. Jinchuuriki, CT, Gedo Mazo don't make any difference, as they aren't beating teleportation with boom-smash-bijuu-powah-AoE.

Edit: I don't see Dead Demon restricted. Obito likes to remain awfully still sometimes, and purposely goes to grab his opponents. Dead Demon probably stops jutsu from being cast once you've grabbed somebody's soul, so a Kamui absorption in progress could probably be stopped.

 

[EZQ]

First of all how they gonna screw Minato? Any Bijuu Dama either gets tanked or flicked back by Kurama's tails, at worst case Minato can redirect them via Guiding thunder.

They don't have enough firepower to put him down, Kurama Avatar's tails tanked Juubi's laser which is many times stronger than 2-7 tails Bijuu Damas combined let alone one by one.

Now to answer your last question, remember Hachibi's (that should be more durable than other Bijuus aside from Kyuubi) was heavily injured (to the point that Bee couldn't maintain BM any longer) by his own regular Bijuu Dama which nowhere near the level of Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama.

Conclusion : Kurama's regular Bijuu Dama which takes almost no time to form can one shot any of Obito's Jins & force them to go back to base (being non-factors)

1- Minato's chakra reserves <<< 6 bijuu's chakra reserves. Sure minato can keep dodging and tanking their atacks but he would fall before the others after a short period of time, since he would be tired of dodging atacks from 6 bijus at the same time.

2- Minato is not gonna dodge and tank all day, and when he takes his turn to atack is when the other bijuu take their advantage to hit him, since Minato's only way of hurting bijuu is TBB, and he has to become stationary to make that.

3- They don't have the fire power to take him down with one TBB but Minato's avatar would be gettin weaker after his chakra starts running out, he's not an edo like in the war.

4- That was not the hachibi's regular BD, it was a surprise atack to the juubi, so it had to be done fast, Killer Bee didn't have time to make a bigger one, Minato would have the same problem in this matchup.

5- So the bijuus are having a hard time hitting Minato but Minato is the one that's gonna have the hardest time trying to take down 6 bijuus.

This becomes a battle of durability, and Minato's chakra will dry out before the other 6 bijuus.

 

[Great Master Minato]

1- Minato's chakra reserves <<< 6 bijuu's chakra reserves. Sure minato can keep dodging and tanking their atacks but he would fall before the others after a short period of time, since he would be tired of dodging atacks from 6 bijus at the same time.

2- Minato is not gonna dodge and tank all day, and when he takes his turn to atack is when the other bijuu take their advantage to hit him, since Minato's only way of hurting bijuu is TBB, and he has to become stationary to make that.

3- They don't have the fire power to take him down with one TBB but Minato's avatar would be gettin weaker after his chakra starts running out, he's not an edo like in the war.

4- That was not the hachibi's regular BD, it was a surprise atack to the juubi, so it had to be done fast, Killer Bee didn't have time to make a bigger one, Minato would have the same problem in this matchup.

5- So the bijuus are having a hard time hitting Minato but Minato is the one that's gonna have the hardest time trying to take down 6 bijuus.

This becomes a battle of durability, and Minato's chakra will dry out before the other 6 bijuus.

1)Proof? Kyuubi is by far the strongest Bijuu & has the most amount of Chakra unless you can prove this with facts it's pure assumption to think Kyuubi's Jin has less Chakra than other Jins even combined...KCM Naruto/BM Bee/6th Gated Gai & MS Kakashi held their own against the Bijuus & BM Minato is more powerful than any of them...BM Naruto who's weaker than BM Minato soloed the Bijuus...why would Minato fail to do so?

2)Flash Bijuu Dama can be formed instantly & Minato can move with FTG while he prepares his Bijuu Dama & any of Kurama's Bijuu Damas can one shot other Jins considering Hachibi got one shot by his own Bijuu Dama which is way weaker than Kyuubi's.

3)Let's say he has 5-8 min limit just like Naruto...BM Naruto took down the other Bijuu in under a minute...again why would Minato fail to do the same thing?

4)Irrelevant since Minato doesn't need a big Bijuu Dama to one shot other Jins as stated above Flash Bijuu Dama can get the job done.

5)Yes because hitting a teleporting Kurama Avatar is way harder than hitting a regular Jin.

Minato by far has the best durability & firepower here so this should favor him more than the others.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

I don't see why he has to pay attention to the 6 bijuus when he can just wait till Frog Song is done and kill Obito, or he could use Dead Demon. The bijuu aren't the opponent and will eventually break free after Obito dies. Minato can run away from them faster through Reverse Summon after he kills Obito, too.