Madara vs Naruto

[Blunt]

- Quad Juubi TBB is countered via Goudama shield, and or the shield is cut down with Rasenshuriken variants.

-Naruto bests him in CQC (Boil Release punch, which knocked back Kaguya, equally powerful chakra arms and more or less equal to Madara in every physical aspect.)

-He lacks the Six Paths without the second Rinnegan, which means no Preta or Deva, which also means he cannot repel Rasengan variants nor absorb them. Limbo is gangbanged by a few clones, all in all, the Rinnegan is useless here.

-Goudama are irrelavant here, they are easily busted by Lava Rasenshuriken or anything even remotely near that caliber with the utmost of ease.
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If Madara were to be allowed to use v3 Susano'o, things could change quite a bit, his Susano'o would be fueled by his immense chakra and Rikudo's Senjutsu. Allow usage of Susano'o bound Mokuton and Shadow Clones and Madara wins handily, Madara logically should be able to replicate this feat in his Jinchuriki form.

Madara wins high difficulty without restrictions, loses to Naruto low difficulty with said restrictions.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Madara were to be allowed to use v3 Susano'o, things could change quite a bit, his Susano'o would be fueled by his immense chakra and Rikudo's Senjutsu. Allow usage of Susano'o bound Mokuton and Shadow Clones and Madara wins handily, Madara logically should be able to replicate this feat in his Jinchuriki form.

How in the world would V3 Susanoo and Mokuton be factors here when in a downscaled Madara vs BM Naruto fight, Naruto obliterates Madara's Susanoo, clones and all? With ease at that. Mokuton isn't even a factor for obvious reasons unless we are talking about Shinsuusenju, which he doesn't even have any feats of whatsoever.

 

[Holy God]

If Madara with one Rinnegan can use all the Six Paths, then he wins with medium difficulty. Otherwise, he loses.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Naruto still win. Hypothetical feats cant be used here.

You only can turn this battle from Manga plot base into fan fic base without using any unseen feats like PS, TBB or SS

 

[-immortal-]

Madara shit stomps idunno dafuq yall been thinking hyping naruto so much

Madara babyshakes this b!tch
Yall act like Gudodama can't protect madara and he gets shits stomped

Narutos gudodama stIck got cut by a simple Raiton jutsu

Madara roflstomps naruto If he is serious.

Boy naruto didn't even land a hit on madara w/o sasuke dafuq yall think

 

[MickNerks]

Naruto Wins with Low difficulty.

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is enough to finish Madara

For the ones who think Madara stands a chance,

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, because as far as im concerned this would overwhelm him.


GG M-DAWG!!!

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[Holy God]

Naruto Wins with Low difficulty.

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is enough to finish Madara

For the ones who think Madara stands a chance,

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, because as far as im concerned this would overwhelm him.


GG M-DAWG!!!

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Mere shadow clones? You do know that Madara has wood clones which are factually stronger and each would have more chakra knowing that Madara has around four times more than Naruto.

 

[V h o]

So the same madara who got wrecked by LRS and can only use one limbo.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

answer would always be the same

Manga feats = Naruto wins

Hypothetical feats = Madara wins

 

[MickNerks]

Mere shadow clones? You do know that Madara has wood clones which are factually stronger and each would have more chakra knowing that Madara has around four times more than Naruto.

You do know that Mokuton clones are useless against naruto becuase they turn into tree's whenever they get near him thanks to kurama's life energy.

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So nooo.. Madara's mokuton clones are fodder to naruto's clones.


@underlined: Who lied to you and told you that madara had more chakra than Naruto??

 

[Rozari]

Naruto wins

 

[Omar19992010]

You do know that Mokuton clones are useless against naruto becuase they turn into tree's whenever they get near him thanks to kurama's life energy.

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So nooo.. Madara's mokuton clones are fodder to naruto's clones.


@underlined: Who lied to you and told you that madara had more chakra than Naruto??

Those are Zetsu first of all not Mokuton clones and if that was the case Obito and Madara would have turned into trees a long time ago.

 

[Holy God]

You do know that Mokuton clones are useless against naruto becuase they turn into tree's whenever they get near him thanks to kurama's life energy.

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So nooo.. Madara's mokuton clones are fodder to naruto's clones.


@underlined: Who lied to you and told you that madara had more chakra than Naruto??

You didn't show any examples of wood clones being turned into trees, not to mention that the Zetsu Naruto fought only transformed after being defeated. By the way, I hope you know that even Madara himself has Hashirama's DNA and not a single part of him has rejuvenated into a tree, meaning it will only apply to wood-techniques without control. When Zetsu die they "lose control" of their bodies and they essentially become useless wood.

As to respond to the second part, you don't have to be any sort of genius to figure out that Madara, who has the chakra of nine tailed beasts, far surpasses Naruto in terms of quantity. Naruto and his tailed beast chakra only accumulate to the amount of about two tailed beasts all together(counting himself, half of Kurama, and the 5% of the others).

 

[MickNerks]

Those are Zetsu first of all not Mokuton clones and if that was the case Obito and Madara would have turned into trees a long time ago.

Please re-read the scans which i will post for you a SECOND TIME.

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Both Yamato and Killer Bee state than naruto's chakra affect's Mokuton Techniques. Mokuton clones also fall under the umbrella of mokuton techniques, which means when in contact with naruto the clones will begin to sprout trees from there bodies.

Netheir Obito or Madara are mokuton techniques. They only have Hashirama's dna inside then. Hashirama's DNA is not the same as a mokuton technique.

I hope that helps clear up the confusion.

You didn't show any examples of wood clones being turned into trees, not to mention that the Zetsu Naruto fought only transformed after being defeated. By the way, I hope you know that even Madara himself has Hashirama's DNA and not a single part of him has rejuvenated into a tree, meaning it will only apply to wood-techniques without control. When Zetsu die they "lose control" of their bodies and they essentially become useless wood.

As to respond to the second part, you don't have to be any sort of genius to figure out that Madara, who has the chakra of nine tailed beasts, far surpasses Naruto in terms of quantity. Naruto and his tailed beast chakra only accumulate to the amount of about two tailed beasts all together(counting himself, half of Kurama, and the 5% of the others).

@ 1st Bold: In my scans [

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] Yamato and killer bee both state that Naruto's chakra affects all mokuton techniques.

@ 2nd Bold: Hashirama's DNA and a mokuton technique are not the same thing. Madara has hashirama's dna (which isnt mokuton) inside of him. You may be confused if you think DNA and Mokuton techniques are the same thing. I can assure you they are not.

@ 3rd Bold: Please understand that the naruto who we referring to has Rikudou's senjutsu chakra mode, which means he not only has A LIMITLESS SUPPLY of bijuu chakra which is impossible for him to use all of their chakra at once, but also has an

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. So in terms of who has the most chakra both parties have an infinite amount.

@ 4th Bold: Please provide scans that can prove naruto has 5% of the other tailed beast. That at best is fanfic as the portion percentage of each beast was never explained. Also, you forgot to add the infinite amount of senjutsu at his disposal.

 

[Holy God]

Please re-read the scans which i will post for you a SECOND TIME.

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Both Yamato and Killer Bee state than naruto's chakra affect's Mokuton Techniques. Mokuton clones also fall under the umbrella of mokuton techniques, which means when in contact with naruto the clones will begin to sprout trees from there bodies.

Netheir Obito or Madara are mokuton techniques. They only have Hashirama's dna inside then. Hashirama's DNA is not the same as a mokuton technique.

I hope that helps clear up the confusion.



@ 1st Bold: In my scans [

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] Yamato and killer bee both state that Naruto's chakra affects all mokuton techniques.

@ 2nd Bold: Hashirama's DNA and a mokuton technique are not the same thing. Madara has hashirama's dna (which isnt mokuton) inside of him. You may be confused if you think DNA and Mokuton techniques are the same thing. I can assure you they are not.

@ 3rd Bold: Please understand that the naruto who we referring to has Rikudou's senjutsu chakra mode, which means he not only has A LIMITLESS SUPPLY of bijuu chakra which is impossible for him to use all of their chakra at once, but also has an

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. So in terms of who has the most chakra both parties have an infinite amount.

@ 4th Bold: Please provide scans that can prove naruto has 5% of the other tailed beast. That at best is fanfic as the portion percentage of each beast was never explained. Also, you forgot to add the infinite amount of senjutsu at his disposal.

The Wood-Style is based on chakra creating wood and the user's life-force to manipulate/grow said wood. You only posted your downfall showing that the Wood-Style: Wood Dragon Technique did not deactivate as it absorbed Naruto's chakra and life-force, yet grew larger.

You're correct on this one. I was thinking that Zetsu were created from Hashirama's DNA, forgetting that they actually came from the Holy Tree.

He does not have an unlimited amount of tailed beast chakra. We've even seen Kurama run out and having to sleep when fighting against Sasuke. He also cannot passively absorb sage chakra, unlike the ten-tails, so that means he does not have access to an unlimited amount of that unless he has a clone sit down and concentrate.

He does not have a large amount of them. Most people agree it's only five to ten percent. Even Madara laughed at the amount Obito had pulled from him to give to Naruto. It's not significant at all.

 

[MickNerks]

The Wood-Style is based on chakra creating wood and the user's life-force to manipulate/grow said wood. You only posted your downfall showing that the Wood-Style: Wood Dragon Technique did not deactivate as it absorbed Naruto's chakra and life-force, yet grew larger.

He does not have an unlimited amount of tailed beast chakra. We've even seen Kurama run out and having to sleep when fighting against Sasuke. He also cannot passively absorb sage chakra, unlike the ten-tails, so that means he does not have access to an unlimited amount of that unless he has a clone sit down and concentrate.

He does not have a large amount of them. Most people agree it's only five to ten percent. Even Madara laughed at the amount Obito had pulled from him to give to Naruto. It's not significant at all.

1. Useless Clones.
The wood dragon showed you the flaw of Mokuton Clones. I didnt say naruto would de-activate the technique, I said that they would uncontrollably grow trees from their body, which is what happend with the wood dragon. The clones unlike the wood dragon will lack mobility with huge tree's coming out of their body and shifting their weight. The wood dragon was large enough to not be affected, but a 6 ft clone would defintely be affected by a 10 ft tree growing out of them. THUS MOKUTON CLONES ARE USELESS AGAINST NARUTO!!

2. Tailed Beast
I didnt saw the tailed beast would give him unlimited chakra, I said that all of them combined give naruto a near limitless amount, as he cant use all of their chakra at once and out of the 9 someone will be gathering chakra for naruto to use. So he will never run out because he has 9 entities collecting chakra inside of him so he can use if needed.

2.5 Unlimited Senjutsu
Six Paths Senjutsu - The user's physical strength, speed, stamina and regeneration are exponentially increased. The user also gains the ability to use senjutsu and fly, as well as use chakra arms and create multiple Truth-Seeking Balls.
- Fourth Databook, pg 310

Its clear that naruto had unlimited senjutsu when he doesn even charge to enter sage mode, he spammed mulitple techniques at once and spammed thousands of shadow clones and not once did he revert from RSM, which means that he (while fighting) was passively absorbing senjutsu chakra or had a endless amount.

3.
If that was the case then madara wouldnt have infinite chakra either seeing how he only had half of the kyuubi and not the full amount.

 

[Blunt]

How in the world would V3 Susanoo and Mokuton be factors here when in a downscaled Madara vs BM Naruto fight, Naruto obliterates Madara's Susanoo, clones and all? With ease at that. Mokuton isn't even a factor for obvious reasons unless we are talking about Shinsuusenju, which he doesn't even have any feats of whatsoever.

I said Susano'o bound Mokuton clones, nowhere did I ever mention usage of other Mokuton on Madara's part, I suggest you take a look back on my post. It's quite obvious that Mokuton is non factor.

Naruto's cloak pushed Sasuke's v3 to the point that it became his avatars physical equal, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that just a 3x boost? Rikudo's chakra/Senjutsu enhancements are far higher than any boost in the manga, it allowed an MS user the ability to stabilize a PS, with little chakra in comparison to Madara's Jinchuriki form. I see no reason as to why v3 Susano'o wouldn't be pushed to the same level his PS was in his EMS state or even higher, add to the fact that Madara (the original body, not the clones) can probably double the size of his construct. Multiple Susano'o clones (while yes, watered down) would very easily handle Naruto's clones, and start to overwhelm him, they are only a match in physical aspects, Susano'o changes that.

This is all hypothetical, but Naruto has already performed this in VoTE2, and Madara has performed this in his Edo Tensei form.

 

[Holy God]

1. Useless Clones.
The wood dragon showed you the flaw of Mokuton Clones. I didnt say naruto would de-activate the technique, I said that they would uncontrollably grow trees from their body, which is what happend with the wood dragon. The clones unlike the wood dragon will lack mobility with huge tree's coming out of their body and shifting their weight. The wood dragon was large enough to not be affected, but a 6 ft clone would defintely be affected by a 10 ft tree growing out of them. THUS MOKUTON CLONES ARE USELESS AGAINST NARUTO!!

2. Tailed Beast
I didnt saw the tailed beast would give him unlimited chakra, I said that all of them combined give naruto a near limitless amount, as he cant use all of their chakra at once and out of the 9 someone will be gathering chakra for naruto to use. So he will never run out because he has 9 entities collecting chakra inside of him so he can use if needed.

2.5 Unlimited Senjutsu
Six Paths Senjutsu - The user's physical strength, speed, stamina and regeneration are exponentially increased. The user also gains the ability to use senjutsu and fly, as well as use chakra arms and create multiple Truth-Seeking Balls.
- Fourth Databook, pg 310

Its clear that naruto had unlimited senjutsu when he doesn even charge to enter sage mode, he spammed mulitple techniques at once and spammed thousands of shadow clones and not once did he revert from RSM, which means that he (while fighting) was passively absorbing senjutsu chakra or had a endless amount.

3.
If that was the case then madara wouldnt have infinite chakra either seeing how he only had half of the kyuubi and not the full amount.

Once again, however, Naruto has only been seen able to influence Zetsu when defeated. The clones won't simply suddenly become a tree. Though since it seems like you won't budge from your opinion, there's also the fact that Madara can copy Naruto's use of the Multiple Shadow Clone Technique.

Only Kurama can give Naruto chakra because only he is sealed within Naruto. If the tailed beasts could simply remotely give their chakra then becoming a host of the ten-tails would be useless for Madara because the tailed beasts would be able to transfer to Naruto without a problem. He only has the power to telepathically speak to them because their chakra already resides within him.

I don't think we've ever seen Naruto go into sage mode without gathering prior to. He was able to after his death because Hagoromo gave sage chakra to him and Sasuke(which is why Black Chidori was possible). Therefore, he does have to charge and cannot passively absorb. It was even showed as a special trait possible to only Hugo's clan.

Madara doesn't have infinite chakra here. Only him after activating Infinite Tsukuyomi comes close to it because then he can absorb the chakra of those under the visual technique.

 

[KidGamer65]

I said Susano'o bound Mokuton clones, nowhere did I ever mention usage of other Mokuton on Madara's part, I suggest you take a look back on my post. It's quite obvious that Mokuton is non factor.

Lmao, my bad bro.

Naruto's cloak pushed Sasuke's v3 to the point that it became his avatars physical equal, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that just a 3x boost? Rikudo's chakra/Senjutsu enhancements are far higher than any boost in the manga, it allowed an MS user the ability to stabilize a PS, with little chakra in comparison to Madara's Jinchuriki form. I see no reason as to why v3 Susano'o wouldn't be pushed to the same level his PS was in his EMS state or even higher, add to the fact that Madara (the original body, not the clones) can probably double the size of his construct. Multiple Susano'o clones (while yes, watered down) would very easily handle Naruto's clones, and start to overwhelm him, they are only a match in physical aspects, Susano'o changes that.

Wasn't a 3x boost. The boost Kakashi got was a 3x boost. The cloak boost is much stronger and Sasuke had 2 cloaks and Senjutsu, so he had a bigger boost than Kakashi, but yes, Rikudo boosts>any other boost. So sure, let's say that JJ madara's V3 Susanoo would be as strong as EMS Madara's Perfect Susanoo.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo at the EMS level is absolute fodder to Naruto whether or not he has his Avatar. Not being able to physically duke it out with Susanoo doesn't mean that Naruto isn't going to stomp it, and the weakened clones. So no, you don't have a point here. Multiple BDFRS wreck Madara and his clones. Naruto has like 9 Gudo Dama, so that's 9 BDFRS and Madara's Susanoo isn't even going to take one let alone 9.

Naruto doesn't even need shadow clones to handle this, he only needs BDFRS, which Madara can't even think about blocking without PS. It's AoE is also enough to catch every clone.

This is all hypothetical, but Naruto has already performed this in VoTE2, and Madara has performed this in his Edo Tensei form.

I agree with it being possible, it's just not going to work. Not to mention if Madara makes too many he'll only end up weakening himself, but that shouldn't be a problem as long as the number stays below 10 or so.

 

[Blunt]

Lmao, my bad bro.




Wasn't a 3x boost. The boost Kakashi got was a 3x boost. The cloak boost is much stronger and Sasuke had 2 cloaks and Senjutsu, so he had a bigger boost than Kakashi, but yes, Rikudo boosts>any other boost. So sure, let's say that JJ madara's V3 Susanoo would be as strong as EMS Madara's Perfect Susanoo.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo at the EMS level is absolute fodder to Naruto whether or not he has his Avatar. Not being able to physically duke it out with Susanoo doesn't mean that Naruto isn't going to stomp it, and the weakened clones. So no, you don't have a point here. Multiple BDFRS wreck Madara and his clones. Naruto has like 9 Gudo Dama, so that's 9 BDFRS and Madara's Susanoo isn't even going to take one let alone 9.

I guess you do have a point here, even if Madara knew it was coming nothing can be done, it traveled many miles upward in a second or two, and the explosion from one spanned a distance far, far greater than multiple mountain ranges. Even if the v3 Susano'o were to be boosted to such a level, there's no stopping the onslaught of BDFRS, it's AoE is far to huge.

I concede, there's absolutely no way for Madara to win this match, even with these conditions.

I agree with it being possible, it's just not going to work. Not to mention if Madara makes too many he'll only end up weakening himself, but that shouldn't be a problem as long as the number stays below 10 or so.

Agreed.