Can Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen and Minato take on SM Hashirama?

[KidGamer65]

What difference would BM minato make?

Hashirama rapes any version of these 3.

He'd increase the difficulty.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Flower three world and Shinsuusenju and small dragon to absorb chakra.

Hashirama won

 

[xxSAGExx]

Minato teleporting SS away wont mean shit. Hashirama will always be standing on it so hashi will get teleported along with it. What minato needs is to separate Hashi from his SS, because he has no way of touching him if he doesnt.

TBB's are joke. SS's atacks stalemated 12 TBB Blades.

FTG- Useful for dodging hashirama's atacks, but nothing else. He isn't touching hashirama and just dodging hashi's atacks all day has no purpose, he isn't winning like that.

SS >= PS+Kiuuby , minato's avatar is a joke for hashirama.

You do know FTG users can choose what they FTG right? If Tobirama or Minato simply touch or have their chakra touch SS then they can choose to FTG Hashirama to them (if using clones) or to one of their markings. Do you forget that Edo Minato FTG Naruto and Sasuke without teleporting Juubito who was holding both of them? Naruto used his chakra arm to touch Sasuke and Edo Minato because he remembered Minato telling them FTG lets him teleport anything he or his chakra touches.

You do know Madara stated that Tobirama was the fastest of their time right? Tobirama said Minato was faster than him, both of them are sensors and are faster than Hashirama so how do you expect Hashirama to even land an attack? Base Edo Minato spread kunai markings on the battlefield while also teleporting the Juubi TBB and base Edo Minato's stats are all lowered than alive Minato. Hiruzen and Tobirama cut through the God Tree branches so I don't see them being afraid of wood; plus Hiruzen can make clones and wall use fire jutsus to burn the wood or Minato summons Gamabuta to shot oil mixed with one of their fire jutsus and it can burn wood down since the oil would make the fire jutsu much stronger. Since Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen all have better battle smart feats, I don't see Hashirama winning this since he can't hit them.

What difference would BM minato make?

Hashirama rapes any version of these 3.

How can he rape them when at least 2 of them are faster than him with Shunshin and FTG plus are sensors? You do know Tobirama is on Hashirama and Madara level right? He's weaker but he's on that level. MS Madara fought Hashirama many times, MS Madara and Izuna were said to be equals, Tobirama killed Izuna (yes he had Susanoo, Sasuke said you need double MS to use it and we seen many MS users use it even though their other MS jutsus differs). Gamabuta oil+fire jutsu= burnt wood. Worst comes to worst Minato can just fuse with the toad Sages and use frog song on Hashirama, mark him to be safe then kill him or Tobirama use him as a Edo tensei sacrifice.

If Minato is alive they get stomped. Too much firepower with SS.

How so? He's the fastest out of them all and is a sensor. He can summon Gamabuta to shoot oil and either him or one of the others use a strong fire jutsu and they'll burn the wood. Or Minato fuse with Ma and Pa toad and use boiling oil which would melt SS from the ground up; also since SS is being touched by the boiling oil which is made with Minato's chakra, he can FTG Hashirama to Tobirama (who he marked) then Tobirama marks him while Hiruzen hits him with Enma. After that Tobirama use his FTG slash on Hashirama neck.

All 3 have more battle smart feats and/or hype; as we seen with Sasuke, Naruto, Shikamaru and many others, a good strategy can take down an enemy who is stronger.

 

[Vega]

Prime Hiruzen babyshakes.

P.S. The Last of Us is a masterpiece, I would definitely recommend it.

 

[FreeTanner17]

I love how nobody takes a question seriously when it comes to the third hokage on here. The fact that they don't even call him the third, but always prime hiruzen. Anyways, the third hokage is pretty strong, but we all saw how he struggled against edo hashirama and edo tobirama. Given that he was weaker in his old age, but it could t have been that big of a difference in strength. Hashirama is pretty dang strong too tho. That's exactly why his strength was considered a legend for so long.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I believe that Hashi wins unless there is prep time. Minato is a tactician nin, Hiruzen has HUGE variety and Tobirama's pretty swift too. Together their weaker movesets are capable of outsmarting him 8 out of 10 times. If it comes to worse then one of them can summon the Reaper and take one for the team.

Throw them in with no time to plan? Hashirama's huge scale jutsus ravage.

 

[veggetta13]

Minato solos.

The point´s been made clear on the Shinsuusenju. Look at it as a design flaw, however that´s because you are seeing it as an attacking tool, if we speak about lack of balance look at Zetsu, or Jinchuriki Madara. I´d say to the least is laws of physics only apply if Kishi feels like it.
Being sit just lowers the gravity axis but from what I see in the panels it is its actual "correct" position.


Hashirama solos by speed and chakra, he could just clone himself 4 times and attack the gokages, in sage mode he could learn how to teleport within few seconds, plus I doubt his brother didn´t teach him how to do so. I´m aware we never see tp on panel on his behalf.

I had fun reading "Falcon´s" development. Funny, this is the 2nd time I see the Kushina in chains (andromeda) panel to justifyheight and weight in relation with the kyubi. Is that the only clear panel to be able to compare humans and a 9 tails?
I understand there´s another one in Konoha destruction but that is supposed to be half Kurama so it doesn´t count.. anyways THANks!

 

[Minator93]

Minato can Solo

Hiruzen can Solo

Tobirama loses individually but in a team he wins U_U

 

[VongolaX]

Do people wank Hashirama that much that they truly believe he can beat two hokages let alone three?

Minato and Hiruzen together would pummel Hashirama, especially when Hiruzen knows his fighting style as much as Madara.

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen in his prime could solo, with low difficulty.

For this reason the hokage win.

Hiruzen can simply use shadow clone jutsu and then (with evidence given by both

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and stomp Hashirama with the lowest of difficulty.

With help from Minato and Tobirama this isnt even fair

 

[Kushina san]

Minato can Solo

Hiruzen can Solo

Hiruzen in his prime could solo, with low difficulty.

For this reason the hokage win.

Hiruzen can simply use shadow clone jutsu and then (with evidence given by both manga itself and Databooks) Hiruzen can have his clone enter the Seventh or Eight Gate and stomp Hashirama with the lowest of difficulty.

With help from Minato and Tobirama this isnt even fair

Oh God, but are you serious?

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read the manga .-.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Madara was stopping all of these guys with ease. He was stronger than Hashi, but not by much.

 

[startup97]

Madara was stopping all of these guys with ease. He was stronger than Hashi, but not by much.

Wait, you mean Edo Madara or JJ Madara?

 

[MickNerks]

Madara was stopping all of these guys with ease. He was stronger than Hashi, but not by much.

When did madara fight tobirama and Hiruzen??

Oh God, but are you serious?

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read the manga .-.

You clearly havent caught up.. They released the new databook my friend, you should try reading it.

 

[solo king]

Hashi can take any of them individually. This is pretty much an established fact. 3 against one is a different story

Is minato alive or Edo? If he's alive he has no kyuubi or sm feats

Also,prime hiruzen is featless.that post
About enma taking town few thousand hands with the newtowns law point was hilarious though

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

When did madara fight tobirama and Hiruzen??



You clearly havent caught up.. They released the new databook my friend, you should try reading it.

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He filled Tobirama with poles effortlessly and Third Hokage was bested by both Obito and Guruguru....not too impressive there. I'm not even a Madara or a Hashirama fan either haha

 

[Great Master Minato]

wood golem blocks TBB, not only that but even if minato has prep with kunai's all over the place hashi can create an entire forest in an instant moving around all the kunais and what not, teleporting the SS statue to the sea wont have any effect since shinobi's can "walk" on water with chakra, we've seen PS and other giant figures "walking on water"

flower world plus wood clones would have minato constantly on the run porting to one place to another, a sneak attack won't work since Hashi's SM has the reaction to counter FTG.

hashi is miles above minato and tobirama, prime hiruzen has no feats and is not even a factor in this fight.

Yep it can block regular TBB but not as big as what Minato can create plus the huge Rasengan that Minato used against Juubito would drill through Golem's hand.

I'm not talking about markings in the battlefield, I'm talking about his canon markings in the sea & other places.

Any forest including Flower Tree World would be wiped out with TBB barrage.

Minato can warp SS out of Hashirama's reach & simply make it non-factor in the fight.

& No Hashirama is not miles above BM Minato...don't put him in the same tier as Tobirama & fanfic Hiruzen.

BM Minato with prep markings beats Hashirama & would lose to him without markings.

 

[~Ethereal~]

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He filled Tobirama with poles effortlessly and Third Hokage was bested by both Obito and Guruguru....not too impressive there. I'm not even a Madara or a Hashirama fan either haha

Oh man, best comment on this thread.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hashirama can just using Great of the great god on Hiruzen and immobelized him. And then use other gate on Tobirama. Tobirama doest have FTG V2 technique, thats mean he cant escape from being hit and press by the Gates by throwing a Kunai. And then Hashirama proceed to use Wood Dragon on them

The problem here is Minato as he has FTG level 2 wheres he can use Kunai to escape from being hit and press by Gates of the great god. But as Minato alone is the moveable threat here. Hashirama can use other jutsu to catch him.

 

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The Weakness of Shinsuusenju

Many people don't realize it, but Shinsuusenju has a major weakness.

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That major weakness is the huge pile of hands on the back of the statue. Now you may ask, why is this a weakness? Basically put, the main body of Shinsuusenju is required to carry a huge amount of weight on it's back. What that means is that the Buddha requires a lot of stability to stand up. Proven when the Buddha is slouching as if he has a hunched back. Now what's my point? Having enough stability to hold up those gigantic hands would require a strong foothold.

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How can Hiruzen use this to his advantage?

It's very simple really. All Hiruzen has to do is summon the Monkey King Enma and transform him into to Kongounyoi.

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The Kongounyoi has proven it's massive strength. It was able to push back the likes of the Kyuubi several hundred meters. What Hiruzen can do is strike the foothold area of the Shinsuusenju. The massive strike on the foothold area with the Kongonyoi would cause the Shinsuusenju to lose it's balance. I've already established that the weight of the thousand hands on the back of the Shinsuusenju incredibly hinders it's balance. The weight of the thousand hands on one side of the statue would only make the statue easier to fall.



How this is going to destroy Shinsuusenju

You might question that if the Shinsuusenju falls, it will just stand back up. But that is not the case.

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We have to take into account Newtons Second Law of motion, F = MA. Where F is the amount of force upon impact, M being the mass of the object and A being the acceleration of the falling object.

Warning: Do not read if your brain cannot comprehend first grade math.

We have to calculate the mass of the entire statue. See my initial calculation of the Kyuubi's height.

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Kushina is 38 px 1.65 m tall.

Which scales the 321 px rock to 14 m.

Rock is 33 px 14m tall.

Which scales the 721 px Kurama to 306 m.

Kyuubi was on all fours when he was pushed by Enma. On all fours, estimated 150m from ground to ears.

Now to get the mass of the Shinsuusenju.

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Kyuubi is 17 pixels tall on all fours, 150m tall on all fours.

The main body of the Shinsuusenju is 139 pixels tall.

Which would scale it's main body to 1226.47 meters tall.

The average volume of a 1.7m human is 66.4 L.

Which would scale the volume of the Shinsuusenju to 47904498.27 cubic meters.

Density of wood averages around 700-800 kg/m^3.

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M = DV

M = (800000g/m^3)*(47904498.27m^3)

Mass of the main body of the Shinsuusenju is 38323598620000 grams.

Now we have to get the mass of the thousand hands.

The cyan line is 321.38 pixels.

Scaling from the Kyuubi's height, the cyan line is 2835.7 meters long.

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The thousand hands look like ball cut in half, so we use the equation above all divided by 2.

Volume of the thousand hands = ((4/3)pi*r^3)/2) = 5969695494 cubic meters

M = DV

M = (800000g/m^3)*(5969695494m^3)

Mass of the thousand hands = 4775756395000000 grams

Add the two masses together.

4775756395000000 grams + 38323598620000 grams

Total Mass of the Shinsuusenju = 5158996257000000 grams

We have to get the acceleration of the falling object. Very easy.

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The purple line is 325 pixels.

Scaling from the Kyuubi's height, the maximum height of the Shinsuusenju is 2867.647 meters tall.

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The acceleration of the statue if the statue were to fall would be 237.08 m/s.

F = MA

F = (5158996257000000g)*(237.08m/s)

F = 1141315039000000000

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1141315039000000000 F = 1547415414577309000 J

That is in pounds, we want to get it in mass. To do that, we multiply it by 453.592.

1547415414577309000*453.592 = 701895250000000000000 J

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701895250000000000000 J = 167756.99091801554 MT

167756.99091801554 MT = 167 Gigatons

If the statue of the Shinsuusenju were to fall and make impact on the ground, it would transfer 167 Gigatons of energy to the entire statue.

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167 gigatons has more than enough energy to destroy multiple islands.



Conclusion

As long as a character has the abilities to trip the Shinsuusenju's foothold, the Shinsuusenju will fall to the ground. Thus creating impact with the ground and transfering over 167 gigatons of energy to it's entire body. Leaving Hashirama's trump card into many broken pieces. To be frank, Madara could have one shotted Shinsuusenju if he was smart enough to aim for the feet. Hiruzen can do the same utulizing Enma's massive physical strength and trip the statue. Once the statue makes contact with the ground, 167 gigatons of energy would transfer into the Shinsuusenju. Thus, destroying it.

I can easily gesture that Hiruzen, DSM Kabuto, Madara, Naruto, Edo Minato, Deidara and some others can destroy the Shinsuusenju as long as they aim for the foothold of the statue.

Thank you for reading, Madara Rules.
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This was the biggest amount of garbage I've ever read.

Your argument is horrible.

1. Shinsuusenju can detach the arms.
2. Hashi is not just going to let him destroy the statue, especially in SM.
3. You tried to do calculations on manga panels and pixels that are not drawn to scale.

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He filled Tobirama with poles effortlessly and Third Hokage was bested by both Obito and Guruguru....not too impressive there. I'm not even a Madara or a Hashirama fan either haha

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