[Discussion] F/sn ubw s2 ep9

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Base shirou won.
Rip archer
Saber vs Gilgamesh confirmed
Bye bye shinji

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Disliked the episode, honestly. The Answer fight was a particulary lot better in the VN. The adaption of it didn't sit that well with me seeing as how they only gave it the first 5 minutes of this episode.

But meh, the adaption isn't good in general. Still has the godly visuals, animation and soundtrack though. And I can always go re-read the VN if I want to read Fate for the story and characters.
 

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He finally got what he deserved :lmao:
I wanted shirou to kick his butt but gilgamesh did it first so i guess that works too :lmao:

Now we have like 4 episodes left... base shirou vs base gilgamesh mega confirmed

He has limited immortality as long as saber is summoned and is near shirou :bdpf:

rin better pack some popcorn! we don't need a sakura in this fighto :lmao:
 

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Disliked the episode, honestly. The Answer fight was a particulary lot better in the VN. The adaption of it didn't sit that well with me seeing as how they only gave it the first 5 minutes of this episode.

But meh, the adaption isn't good in general. Still has the godly visuals, animation and soundtrack though. And I can always go re-read the VN if I want to read Fate for the story and characters.
This might make the anime watchers to give the VN a try, a win win situation.
 

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Fate route sets things up (world building, characters' personalities, etc.) so FSN uses it as a context for UBW and HF - the routes build up on and contextualize each other - and is Saber's story. It's good. Though, UBW and HF are the best routes.
 

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That shinji death was kind of gross.

Great episode though, explained a lot. Animation during the fight was great, Archer kind of got tnj'd but I like how they did shirou's power up. It wasn't forced and flowed well with the story.
 

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Archer didn't really get TnJ'd though. Though, I suppose it kind of seemed like that in the anime since it didn't stress out that Archer was a lunatic who completely forgot why he chased after Kiritsugu's ideals and his world-view was extremely black and white at that point.

Shirou's words didn't really move him in the VN. He remembered the scene with Kiritsugu from his past after he started over-powering Shirou and the latter abandoned any kind of swordmanship techniques and started trashing out like an animal who's just frantically attacking forward. Archer forgot why Shirou - and him - chased after that ideal which resulted in his black and white world-view.
 

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Well this isn't the VN and he got tnj'd.

But I didn't like archers character, he could've been an example of what not to be instead he decided just to kill shirou.
Uh, Archer being a symbol of what Shirou shouldn't become is quite a bit relevant to the fact that Archer wanted to kill Shirou. In quite a bit of ways, actually.

The thing is, Shirou imposes a black and white world view onto his mindset because he doesn't understand what ''saving'' or becoming a hero actually means and his only way of going about doing that is by dividing the world into black (bad, villains) and white (good, innocent everyday citizens) and then just ''eliminating'' the black side of the world in order to reach a fully white utopia where everybody is ''saved'' and happy. This is due to Shirou being ''violent'' and aggressive in his very nature and not being really capable of understanding the full range of human emotion - since he is a sociopath and has a limited range of emotions accordingly. Though, that isn't exactly Shirou's world-view in full extent. He has an understanding and more extensive grasp of the world, he merely imposes the black and white mindset onto himself because that's the only method he understands how to act upon.

The idea of Archer is what would become if Shirou started doubting his own world-view or rather the ''good side'' of it and becoming more and more focused on the black side of things, as well as becoming more cynical, maniacal and violent in everything he does after being shaped by such focus. Basically high-lighting Shirou's morally incorrect habits and doubt about his ideals. Archer imposes the black and white world-view so much that he completely forgets the whole reason why he does that until that actually becomes his automatic world-view. Archer wanting to kill Shirou is essentially a high-light of the fact that Shirou saves people for his own benefit and doesn't actually do it for others. It focuses on Shirou's ''truth'', i.e. selfish base behind his whole hero complex and actions.

He basically forgets why wanting to save everyone is morally correct and thinks of Shirou's ideals in a very machine-like and factual manner. If it's impossible to achieve, then you should chase after the impossible. So that's why he tries to kill Shirou. To try and create a time paradox, possibly erasing himself out of existence so he doesn't have to act as a hero anymore. Because it only brings him suffering and degrades his mental health further.
 
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Base shirou won.
Rip archer
Saber vs Gilgamesh confirmed
Bye bye shinji

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I hope Shirou and Saber kick Gilgamesh's ass, after he was acting all mighty. It would be interesting to see his expression after losing.
 

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Enjoyed watching it. Especially liked the parts where they gave Archer's and Saber's monologues.
Saber thinking what would've been the difference had she not pulled the sword and stuff. UFO why no Fate route :( I'm surprised that gave her some character arc considering they said they won't.
And oh noes, Archer is ded. :rolleyes:

Uh, Archer being a symbol of what Shirou shouldn't become is quite a bit relevant to the fact that Archer wanted to kill Shirou. In quite a bit of ways, actually.

The thing is, Shirou imposes a black and white world view onto his mindset because he doesn't understand what ''saving'' or becoming a hero actually means and his only way of going about doing that is by dividing the world into black (bad, villains) and white (good, innocent everyday citizens) and then just ''eliminating'' the black side of the world in order to reach a fully white utopia where everybody is ''saved'' and happy. This is due to Shirou being ''violent'' and aggressive in his very nature and not being really capable of understanding the full range of human emotion - since he is a sociopath and has a limited range of emotions accordingly. Though, that isn't exactly Shirou's world-view in full extent. He has an understanding and more extensive grasp of the world, he merely imposes the black and white mindset onto himself because that's the only method he understands how to act upon.

The idea of Archer is what would become if Shirou started doubting his own world-view or rather the ''good side'' of it and becoming more and more focused on the black side of things, as well as becoming more cynical, maniacal and violent in everything he does after being shaped by such focus. Basically high-lighting Shirou's morally incorrect habits and doubt about his ideals. Archer imposes the black and white world-view so much that he completely forgets the whole reason why he does that until that actually becomes his automatic world-view. Archer wanting to kill Shirou is essentially a high-light of the fact that Shirou saves people for his own benefit and doesn't actually do it for others. It focuses on Shirou's ''truth'', i.e. selfish base behind his whole hero complex and actions.

He basically forgets why wanting to save everyone is morally correct and thinks of Shirou's ideals in a very machine-like and factual manner. If it's impossible to achieve, then you should chase after the impossible. So that's why he tries to kill Shirou. To try and create a time paradox, possibly erasing himself out of existence so he doesn't have to act as a hero anymore. Because it only brings him suffering and degrades his mental health further.
Man you can surely try to say what you're saying without expanding it that much, like it should be. :V
 
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