Does one need a certain level of rikudou senjutsu to manifest gudodama?

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You need a black rod to have a set of black balls.

Hagoromo and Hamura used their staff/rod without the balls.

Full RSM naruto have Godou damas I.e. against Juubi jin madara and kaguya. After those fights, naruto never use his full RSM. Naruto can make godou damas again though.

Naruto used gudou dama in his fight with Sasuke.

It would be stupid if Naruto couldn't create new Gudou Dama's, but we haven't seen it yet.
 

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But hagoromos chakra naturally has nature energy in it. Seeing how sasuke is able to sense naruto gather nature energy and susanoo arrow doesn't get erased when collided with gudodama.

While that's ture there's still a distinction between the two. Stupid as it sounds.
 

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But hagoromos chakra naturally has nature energy in it. Seeing how sasuke is able to sense naruto gather nature energy and susanoo arrow doesn't get erased when collided with gudodama.

Sasuke was able to sense naruto's chakra all the way from konoha too. (when he was with team hawk)
Naruto's energy was that great/dense that non sensors sensed it.

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Hagoromoo's chakra was naturally born with rikudou chakra with senjustu like his brother Haruma.
Both brothers had half of kagauya's powers.
Indra=Sasuke and Ashura=Naruro right?
Well...
As for his sons, Indra inherited all of Hagoromoo's strong rikudou chakra and Ashura eventually blossomed rikudou senjustu. Splitting the sage's power in two.

Sasuke can't gather natural energy, so when he absorbed the bijuu chakra it was just more rikudou chakra on top of what he had.Example: When Obito absorbed Madara's rikudou senjustu chakra, his whole life energy converted to strictly rikudou chakra when handing it over to Kakashi.
 
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Gudoudama require NE, Naruto activates them when he's absorbed enough NE for his chakra to turn into Hagoromo's. He doesn't have Hago's chakra like Indra but he has his body so when he absorbs NE to produce chakra it essentially evolves into Hagoromo's Senjutsu.
 

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Gudoudama require NE, Naruto activates them when he's absorbed enough NE for his chakra to turn into Hagoromo's. He doesn't have Hago's chakra like Indra but he has his body so when he absorbs NE to produce chakra it essentially evolves into Hagoromo's Senjutsu.

No they dont. Obito did it, without. And as it stands no user has shown the ability to make more.
 

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Sasuke was able to sense naruto's chakra all the way from konoha too. (when he was with team hawk)

Naruto's energy was that great/dense that non sensors sensed it.

Hagoromoo's chakra was naturally born with rikudou chakra with senjustu like his brother Haruma.
Both brothers had half of kagauya's powers.

As for his sons, Indra inherited all of Hagoromoo's strong rikudou chakra and Ashura eventually blossomed rikudou senjustu.

Sasuke can't gather natural energy, so when he absorbed the bijuu chakra it was just more rikudou chakra on top of what he had.When Obito absorbed Madara's rikudou senjustu chakra, his whole life energy converted to strictly rikudou chakra when handing it over to Kakashi.

Half of that dosen't make sense.
 

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No they dont. Obito did it, without. And as it stands no user has shown the ability to make more.

Yes they do, Obito was the Juubi Jin so his chakra had the Senjutsu levels required for TSB
 
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What exactly doesn't make sense?

I'm differentiating rikudou chakra from senjustu.

The requirements for rikudo senjutsu(he wasn't born with it, if he was his bro would have it as well).
Sasuke's ability to sense(regardless of how dense naruto chakra is sasuke sensed raw natural energy, which is something 1 is unable to do without, being a sage themselves.

Idk where your proof is on obito converting rikudo senjutsu to rikudo chakra.

Yes they do, Obito was the Juubi Jin so his chakra had the Senjutsu levels required for TSB

Obito had little to no chakra(and was on verge of losing consciousness) when he pulled the staff against madara.
 

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Sasuke has the Sage of Six Paths power. It's the Rinnegan. Naruto got the other gift, and gudoudama was part of it. I don't know if he can make more.
 

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But hagoromos chakra naturally has nature energy in it. Seeing how sasuke is able to sense naruto gather nature energy and susanoo arrow doesn't get erased when collided with gudodama.

Nature Energy is by definition energy that comes from your surroundings. So it doesn't make sense to say he already has it in him.
 

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Nature Energy is by definition energy that comes from your surroundings. So it doesn't make sense to say he already has it in him.

I think it comes from the juubi since as its Been said it's the embodiment of natural enegry. Thus when he combines it with his own (becoming jj) he gains tSb. Just like maddy and obito, and kaguya did.
 

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The requirements for rikudo senjutsu(he wasn't born with it, if he was his bro would have it as well).
Sasuke's ability to sense(regardless of how dense naruto chakra is sasuke sensed raw natural energy, which is something 1 is unable to do without, being a sage themselves.

Idk where your proof is on obito converting rikudo senjutsu to rikudo chakra.



Obito had little to no chakra(and was on verge of losing consciousness) when he pulled the staff against madara.

1. He was born with it and so did Haruma:

Hagoromoo and Haruma had rikudou staffs when fighting the mother.
Haruma is not a JJ and he still had Gudodamas:

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So him and hagoromoo were born with a little senjustu.
Because Gudodama = RSM

2. OP argued that Sasuke was able to sense naruto's natural energy so he must have RSM.
My retort is that Sasuke long sense naruto since BSM during the war, so he clearly doesn't have sagemode it's just as Orochimaru said.

3. Obito absorbed RSM energy from Madara, correct?
When he gave his whole life energy to Kakashi, Kakashi didn't get RSM from Obito, he only got rikudou chakra.
 

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1. He was born with it and so did Haruma:

Hagoromoo and Haruma had rikudou staffs when fighting the mother.
Haruma is not a JJ and he still had Gudodamas:

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So him and hagoromoo were born with a little senjustu.
Because Gudodama = RSM

2. OP argued that Sasuke was able to sense naruto's natural energy so he must have RSM.
My retort is that Sasuke long sense naruto since BSM during the war, so he clearly doesn't have sagemode it's just as Orochimaru said.

3. Obito absorbed RSM energy from Madara, correct?
When he gave his whole life energy to Kakashi, Kakashi didn't get RSM from Obito, he only got rikudou chakra.

Obito absorbed rikudou chakra from madara. Not RSM energy whatever that is. It then manifested into a staff. After he transfered the remaining bijuu chakra to naruto he lost the staff. He later transfered whatever chakra he had left to kakashi. Obito never had RSM after he lost the juubi.
 

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Sasuke was able to sense naruto's chakra all the way from konoha too. (when he was with team hawk)
Naruto's energy was that great/dense that non sensors sensed it.

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Hagoromoo's chakra was naturally born with rikudou chakra with senjustu like his brother Haruma.
Both brothers had half of kagauya's powers.
Indra=Sasuke and Ashura=Naruro right?
Well...
As for his sons, Indra inherited all of Hagoromoo's strong rikudou chakra and Ashura eventually blossomed rikudou senjustu. Splitting the sage's power in two.

Sasuke can't gather natural energy, so when he absorbed the bijuu chakra it was just more rikudou chakra on top of what he had.Example: When Obito absorbed Madara's rikudou senjustu chakra, his whole life energy converted to strictly rikudou chakra when handing it over to Kakashi.

1. Please get that Movie based databook from my face. If those were indeed godudama staffs it would be the full set for each and not 1.

2.Sasuke sensed natural energy not naruto's chakra. Non sensors(heck even some sensors still cant) can never sense natural enegry. Godudama=/= Rikudou sage mode, in fact the only person with rikudou sage mode is naruto.

3.No obito gained staff prior to absorbing chakra from maddy, then gave what he absorbed to naruto.
 

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The requirements for rikudo senjutsu(he wasn't born with it, if he was his bro would have it as well).
Sasuke's ability to sense(regardless of how dense naruto chakra is sasuke sensed raw natural energy, which is something 1 is unable to do without, being a sage themselves.

Idk where your proof is on obito converting rikudo senjutsu to rikudo chakra.



Obito had little to no chakra(and was on verge of losing consciousness) when he pulled the staff against madara.

Chakra is chakra regardless of how much there is, he still had the chakra required for Goududama. Rikudou Senjutsu = TSB
 
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