Sasuke and Madara can control the size of PS

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

So we are going to be using two things as benchmark in this proof. Kurama and Hashirama's mokujin. From manga, both of these are pretty much the same size and unchanging.

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Meanwhile, we have seen Susanoo change so many times it's hard to keep track. So firstly, humanoid susanoo. As you can see, this version is the same size as kurama.

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Now how big is perfect susanoo(the one madara used agaisnt 5 kages) compared to kurama. Take a look at PS(unstabilized) in the first picture I posted. Used by madara against hashirama before he wraps it around kurama.

That was just a fraction of it's body. Now look at it's full body.

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Compare the two images, and you will see that PS is at least 3 times the size of kurama and mokujin.

Yet, When edo madara fought edo hashirama, PS was the size of mokujin.

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Not just that. But he starts of fighting in humanoid susanoo which is the size of mokujin. But when he goes PS, it's also the same size. Why would PS be the same size as Humanoid susanoo, when they are clearly not in the same league?

Explanation. Madara and Sasuke can control the shape of susanoo and therefore the size of it. They have both done it before. When they wrapped PS around kurama, altering it's shape and size.

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Madara and Sasuke can basically change the size of their PS to match their opponent. Why they would want to do this, only plot knows.

Which would mean.....

Kishi basically nerfed both of them. Full size(biggest each of them can go, can't tell the limit to scaling) PS was restricted. Edo Madara was nerfed against Edo Hashirama and Sasuke was nerfed against Naruto at VOTE2.

Edit: There is a size difference between madara's kurama and naruto's but doesn't really change much, I am not cross comparing. Madara-hashirama, Sasuke-Naruto.

 

[Punk Hazard]

One major flaw in your scale: Kurama is much smaller in the image next to Sasuke's Susano'o than when Madara was controlling him.

 

[Banisher]

wtf did I just read

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

One major flaw in your scale: Kurama is much smaller in the image next to Sasuke's Susano'o than when Madara was controlling him.

Yeah. But sasuke does not fight complete kurama does he?

wtf did I just read

lol. If you have a problem with the thread, state it. I'm stating a reason for inconsistencies in PS size. feel free to argue.

 

[Endles Waltz]

I want to see a colossal PS from adult Sasuke, although I doubt he will be pushed that far in Gaiden.

 

[Gerkak]

If they can change the shape of susanoo then they can change the size to a degree, I agree.

By the way, the kurama next to sasuke is less than half the size of 100% kurama

 

[Dantee]

I think it all comes down to experience with Susanoo and the ability to manipulate your powerful chakra well.

 

[Ambivalence]

Your whole argument crumbles since you've missed the fact that Mokujin = PS = 100% Kurama >>>> 50% Kurama in size. The only time Madara/Sasuke have ''controlled'' the size of their PS was for the ISO Susano'o, which just envelopes Kurama fully.

These two images should prove how much bigger 100% Kurama is than regular Bijus and/or 50% Kurama: [

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[UchihasRightfulHeir]

If they can change the shape of susanoo then they can change the size to a degree, I agree.

By the way, the kurama next to sasuke is less than half the size of 100% kurama

I guess it depends. But you will notice I am comparing sasuke's susanoo to naruto's half of kurama.

However it just goes to show the size inconsistencies in naruto. Full kurama before shrinking is gamabunta size. Yet naruto's kurama avatar is pretty much the same size even though we know it shrank back after its fight with minato.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Your whole argument crumbles since you've missed the fact that Mokujin = PS = 100% Kurama >>>> 50% Kurama in size. The only time Madara/Sasuke have ''controlled'' the size of their PS was for the ISO Susano'o, which just envelopes Kurama fully.

These two images should prove how much bigger 100% Kurama is than regular Bijus and/or 50% Kurama: [

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My argument is not affected by by that. I compare madara's susanoo to hashirama's mokujin. And sasuke to naruto. I don't compare sasuke's PS to madara's. If you notice I say that their PS in battles against counterparts(naruto and hashirama respectively) stay the same size as their humanoid susanoo. When, PS should be way bigger than that.

 

[Angelic.]

thats what she said

 

[To Whatever]

It can be as big as the moon.

 

[Omar19992010]

I guess it depends. But you will notice I am comparing sasuke's susanoo to naruto's half of kurama.

However it just goes to show the size inconsistencies in naruto. Full kurama before shrinking is gamabunta size. Yet naruto's kurama avatar is pretty much the same size even though we know it shrank back after its fight with minato.

Gamabunta was only the size of Full Kuramas Head.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

thats what she said

LOOOL. that's funny.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Gamabunta was only the size of Full Kuramas Head.

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Not really though.

 

[ninjarasengan]

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Not really though.

Not the size of it's head...But Bunta is definitely a lot smaller.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Not the size of it's head...But Bunta is definitely a lot smaller.

Maybe smaller but not half kurama's size. In that fight, gamabunta was able to hold kurama down long enough for minato to teleport him away.

 

[The Necromancer]

One major flaw in your scale: Kurama is much smaller in the image next to Sasuke's Susano'o than when Madara was controlling him.

I do not support that.

Yes, kurama shrunk 16 years ago. But let's look at the facts.

1. Kurama and the rest of the Bijuu were always the same size, in birth and in later years.
2. Bijuu regenerate at will.
3. Bijuu can become complete even from a severely incomplete state. (Juubi)

Going off of these facts, it's reasonable to say that Kurama had regenerated the remaining 50% missing during the 16 years within Naruto, albeit almost entirely being composed of Yang chakra, as he had almost no Yin to supplement.

Ergo, Kurama is at 100%, just not composed of 50% yin and 50% yang.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Maybe smaller but not half kurama's size. In that fight, gamabunta was able to hold kurama down long enough for minato to teleport him away.

He is sitting on kurama's back and is only about as big as his upper torso

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This is Pis also becuase Kurama didn't knock him off with his tails.

Perspective plays a role in this also...in the first picture in your op Madara's half Susanoo is only as large as Kurama's upper torso.

But, i agree that the size of Susanoo can be controled...though, this applies to Bijuu and at least the Toad summons also. Yugito transformed into a smaller Matatabi that could fit into a buildinng and Pein arc Bunta was way smaller than when he helped face Shukaku.

 

[Ambivalence]

My argument is not affected by by that.

Yes it is, since you fail to understand the size difference between full and half Kurama, which is basically you comparing Sasuke's Legged V3 to 50% Kurama Avatar and applying this to Madara's PS and Full Kurama, lol. I don't even know what was the point of that, since Sasuke's PS =/= Madara's PS, and their Iso: Susano'o only enveloped the respective versions of Kurama.

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Compare the two images, and you will see that PS is at least 3 times the size of kurama and mokujin.

Lol, no. What is this even based on? In the scan that you yourself provided (

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), you can see PS and Mokujin being roughly the same size and completely dwarfing Biju-sized Juubilings (not 100% Kurama size). How is PS ''3 times bigger than Mokujin'', when Madara's unstable V4 PS is absolutely the same size as his regular PS which is also the same size as 100% Kurama, which is supported by the fact that Kurama is as big as Mokujin, which I already proved is more or less the same size as PS?

But he starts of fighting in humanoid susanoo which is the size of mokujin

I don't understand where you get this stuff. Madara's V3 was activated for a moment and it was its standard size. It's nowhere near as big as PS, which is easily visible if you look at Madara's size in his V3 Susano'o.

PS can only be altered in size when they're enveloping a Biju, not freely. Lastly, Gamabunta is only the size of Full Kurama's head and neck.