When did Naruto become Hokage?

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Naruto became Hokage during Chapter 700(time frame), and the flash back was after the kids were born.

I can prove it if you want. Just ask
lol, you can't actually, no one can, it's all speculation at this point. We don't know when exactly he became Hokage. He could have already been Hokage in that scene in The Last by the way, and either way, that scene just like the rest of the movie was written by SP with a little supervision, it was just meant to show Naruto's kids.
 

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lol, you can't actually, no one can, it's all speculation at this point. We don't know when exactly he became Hokage. He could have already been Hokage in that scene in The Last by the way, and either way, that scene just like the rest of the movie was written by SP with a little supervision, it was just meant to show Naruto's kids.
Actually I can. No he wasn't, otherwise he would of had his face carved in the mountain. There is no ifs or buts here, if Naruto was the actual Hokage, Kishimoto would of represented his face at the end of the movie. But it only showed Naruto as a father, so in turn the obvious becomes a fact.

It doesn't matter either-way, because Kishimoto rewrote the script for the movie in the end.

EDIT; I can basically use Boruto as my topic of closing this argument as well since he was a normal kid before his father became the Hokage too.
 
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Actually I can. No he wasn't, otherwise he would of had his face carved in the mountain. There is no ifs or buts here, if Naruto was the actual Hokage, Kishimoto would of represented his face at the end of the movie. But it only showed Naruto as a father, so in turn the obvious becomes a fact.

It doesn't matter either-way, because Kishimoto rewrote the script for the movie in the end.

EDIT; I can basically use Boruto as my topic of closing this argument as well since he was a normal kid before his father became the Hokage too.
We don't know when Naruto became Hokage, read my previous comment again, using a scene from The Last as reference is a mistake in the first place. (That scene doesn't even confirm he wasn't)

We need concrete manga evidence on when exactly he became Hokage, until then any guess is as good as yours.
 

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We don't know when Naruto became Hokage, read my previous comment again, using a scene from The Last as reference is a mistake in the first place. (That scene doesn't even confirm he wasn't)

We need concrete manga info on when exactly he became Hokage, until then any guess is as good as yours.
He became Hokage in Chapter 700, around that time I would say. At least that's what Kishimoto represented through their parallels, it wouldn't make much sense for Naruto to become Hokage a year later, and then Kakashi decides to leave anyway. If you read the manga panels it pretty much makes sense, that and with Naruto holding a Gokage meeting.

The manga says it all, no?
 

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He became Hokage in Chapter 700, around that time I would say. At least that's what Kishimoto represented through their parallels, it wouldn't make much sense for Naruto to become Hokage a year later, and then Kakashi decides to leave anyway. If you read the manga panels it pretty much makes sense, that and with Naruto holding a Gokage meeting.

The manga says it all, no?
See you are still speculating, this is exactly what I mean, you assume he became Hokage around 700 because 'it makes sense', but in reality all we know is that he was already Hokage.

This new chapter implies that he was Hokage much earlier, since Sarada doesn't remember Sasuke so he left at the max when she was 3-4 years old, and there is the possibility that Sakura was actually pregnant during that meeting (I doubt it) which would mean he was Hokage even earlier.

It's speculation at this point.
 

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See you are still speculating, this is exactly what I mean, you assume he became Hokage around 700 because 'it makes sense', but in reality all we know is that he was already Hokage.

This new chapter implies that he was Hokage much earlier, since Sarada doesn't remember Sasuke so he left at the max when she was 3-4 years old, and there is the possibility that Sakura was actually pregnant during that meeting (I doubt it) which would mean he was Hokage even earlier.

It's speculation at this point.
No, I'm assuming he became Hokage at that time because the character themselves talk about him just recently becoming the Hokage. It's really just that simple, there is no need to overthink Chapter 700 in that sense.

Not at all. Because the Last showed Naruto as a father, and just a father. Then we see Boruto/Himawari rush to hug their father. Now we don't know much about the kid, but he has a direct problem with Naruto and doesn't get to spend much time with him anymore. So are we to assume that Boruto who was a certain age during the Last, hated his father in that sense then? No, it was later when he became Hokage, which was in the Chapter 700 time period.

How could that be wrong?
 

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No, I'm assuming he became Hokage at that time because the character themselves talk about him just recently becoming the Hokage. It's really just that simple, there is no need to overthink Chapter 700 in that sense.

Not at all. Because the Last showed Naruto as a father, and just a father. Then we see Boruto/Himawari rush to hug their father. Now we don't know much about the kid, but he has a direct problem with Naruto and doesn't get to spend much time with him anymore. So are we to assume that Boruto who was a certain age during the Last, hated his father in that sense then? No, it was later when he became Hokage, which was in the Chapter 700 time period.

How could that be wrong?
Again, this is an assumption and the way you perceived it, in my last comment I provided a counter argument with different perceptions.

So ultimately it is ambiguous, nothing you or I say can change that.
 

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Again, this is an assumption and the way you perceived it, in my last comment I provided a counter argument with different perceptions.

So ultimately it is ambiguous, nothing you or I say can change that.
Er, it's not really an assumption when the sources are there. It's just shrewd to ignore the blatant facts presented in front of you when you just piece two and two together.

The Last = Father, not a Hokage, children are born.

Flash back = Naruto is the Hokage, children are already born.

Then you piece Chapter 700.
 

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Er, it's not really an assumption when the sources are there. It's just shrewd to ignore the blatant facts presented in front of you when you just piece two and two together.

The Last = Father, not a Hokage, children are born.

Flash back = Naruto is the Hokage, children are already born.

Then you piece Chapter 700.
I don't see any blatant facts on when Naruto became Hokage, all I see is your assumptions and your refusal to even consider any counter arguments even though some of them are more plausible.

There is no point in continuing this discussion anyways, you can believe what you want, but don't expect others to do the same because nothing is clear cut at this point. :lol
 

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I don't see any blatant facts on when Naruto became Hokage, all I see is your assumptions and your refusal to even consider any counter arguments even though some of them are more plausible.

There is no point in continuing this discussion anyways, you can believe what you want, but don't expect others to do the same because nothing is clear cut at this point. :lol
What counter arguments? I literally haven't seen anything productive to moot any point as a fact.

Naruto becoming the Hokage recently in Chapter 700, is a fact. Why is that so? The conversation implies that. Okay check
Naruto wans't the Hokage in The Last, but his children were already a considerable age and could talk and communicate. Check.
Naruto in the flash back, was the Hokage already, meaning that it took place after the last when Naruto achieved his goal in becoming the Hokage.

So I'm confused on how anything I said was wrong? It's pretty clear as day, it just seems like you are denying what is being presented in front of you. Though please prove to me where I stated something that was not clearly stated in its canon representations.
 

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What counter arguments? I literally haven't seen anything productive to moot any point as a fact.

Naruto becoming the Hokage recently in Chapter 700, is a fact. Why is that so? The conversation implies that. Okay check
Naruto wans't the Hokage in The Last, but his children were already a considerable age and could talk and communicate. Check.
Naruto in the flash back, was the Hokage already, meaning that it took place after the last when Naruto achieved his goal in becoming the Hokage.

So I'm confused on how anything I said was wrong? It's pretty clear as day, it just seems like you are denying what is being presented in front of you. Though please prove to me where I stated something that was not clearly stated in its canon representations.
Naruto becoming Hokage recently in chapter 700 <-- certainly not a fact, just your assumption, you say it's based on character conversations but those conversations don't imply that he just recently became Hokage, it's just your own interpretation.

Naruto is not a Hokage in The Last <-- not a fact, just your assumption, and that movie shouldn't even be used as reference.

Now for the counter argument.

Sarada does not remember Sasuke, characters mention that he left before she could form memories. She asks him what was he doing all these years and why didn't he visit, then we get that flash back of the meeting, clearly implying that Naruto was Hokage when Sarada was too young to remember, or even before she was born.
 
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Naruto becoming Hokage recently in chapter 700 <-- certainly not a fact, just your assumption, you say it's based on character conversations but those conversations don't imply that he just recently became Hokage, it's just your own interpretation.

Naruto is not a Hokage in The Last <-- not a fact, just your assumption, and that movie shouldn't even be used as reference.
Let's see.

Read Chapter 700, without me bringing the chapter or scans to moot that point. Show me where it implies that Naruto did not recently become Hokage in that time period?

Show me where Naruto's face was carved in the mountain, show me where Naruto/Boruto's conflict arised, and show me where Naruto was too busy to spend time with his family because he was the Hokage.

Just stating what's in front of me.
 

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Naruto became the Hokage just before 700, because that's what is implied to the readers through Kishi. We can see the Gokage meeting being held in Konoha to show that Naruto is the new Hokage. And the whole atmosphere is festive.
The only logical explanation would be maybe Sakura wasn't pregnant in that meeting. She isn't even wearing the Uchiha crest.
 

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Let's see.

Read Chapter 700, without me bringing the chapter or scans to moot that point. Show me where it implies that Naruto did not recently become Hokage in that time period?

Show me where Naruto's face was carved in the mountain, show me where Naruto/Boruto's conflict arised, and show me where Naruto was too busy to spend time with his family because he was the Hokage.

Just stating what's in front of me.
Just because we can't prove when Naruto became Hokage doesn't mean we have to automatically assume he just recently became Hokage.

This is exactly what I am saying, it's ambiguous, we don't know when he became Hokage but the recent chapter suggests it was way before chapter 700.

Naruto becoming Hokage recently in chapter 700 <-- certainly not a fact, just your assumption, you say it's based on character conversations but those conversations don't imply that he just recently became Hokage, it's just your own interpretation.

Naruto is not a Hokage in The Last <-- not a fact, just your assumption, and that movie shouldn't even be used as reference.
Now for the counter argument.

Sarada does not remember Sasuke, characters mention that he left before she could form memories. She asks him what was he doing all these years and why didn't he visit, then we get that flash back of the meeting, clearly implying that Naruto was Hokage when Sarada was too young to remember, or even before she was born.
 

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Just because we can't prove when Naruto became Hokage doesn't mean we have to automatically assume he just recently became Hokage.

This is exactly what I am saying, it's ambiguous, we don't know when he became Hokage but the recent chapter suggests it was way before chapter 700.
The only thing right here with what you said, is that we never saw Naruto become Hokage in the manga. But with the story Kishimoto has, he probably won't. It should be clear as day Endles, that if Naruto isn't the Hoakge in the Last, but is the Hokage in Chapter 700. It happened between those two time frames.

The chapter shows recently, I never stated it was that day exactly.



Now for the counter argument.

Sarada does not remember Sasuke, characters mention that he left before she could form memories. She asks him what was he doing all these years and why didn't he visit, then we get that flash back of the meeting, clearly implying that Naruto was Hokage when Sarada was too young to remember, or even before she was born.
Naruto himself asks Sarada to explain on what she knows about Sasuke, and when she says that won't happen he looks at her confused along with Chou Chou. Then he remembers he had been away for almost the entire time.

The reason why Sarada doesn't remember Sasuke, was because he wasn't there. This is not my including her as a baby, because we don't even know that far. However, we do know from the flash back that Sasuke's conversation implies the time frame which I explained way too many times, *and it almost seems as if this mission was brought up from a careful observation and study. Meaning it took a while for Sasuke to get there, that also seems to be implied when Sasuke gives his verdict on the hypothesis.

^This paragraph is speculation starting from the *
 
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