As usual, Kisame punks him mid difficulty at the very worst. Someone who can tango with V2 B is clearly on another level to Kakuzu, shouldn't be debatable. At all.
Based on match up he was able to "tango with bee", not because they were the same level or even close. Kisame wins more times then not but not because "he was able to tango with bee". Having a key weakness over a particular ninja doesn't make you better then the rest who wouldn't be phased by that one advantage you had over another ninja(s).
Do we have to go through this every time, so you're saying while mid-blitz on Kakuzu he's going to avoid it perfectly? Either way it gets him off of attacking Kakuzu although its not like he has great reaction feats, because why would he? As you said he's a tank.
But dude...what? If he's fast enough to blitz Kisame, who can react to V1 B, who physically moves faster than people like SM Naruto and MS Sasuke, then he obviously has the speed to easily react to people on his level of speed, meaning he has top tier reactions. Being a tank doesn't change that.
Katon trips him up, doesn't matter how strong he is, everything uses feet to remain standing, he could of course press himself into the ground but that too, gets him off of attacking Kakuzu.
No, it doesn't. Learn how fire works, though I'm 100% sure you know how it works. I highly suggest you stop reading the DB. You take colorful statements from there and try to literally apply them while forgetting WHY that occurs in the first place. Why do you think Katon "causes the enemy to lose their footing"? Because it is fire that will burn their feet as it spreads across the ground, thus causing them to either evade, or causes them to fall. Can this fire burn B's feet? Obviously not. Nor can it or will it push him. So it does nothing to him.
Bruh...gian was negated by Raikiri? When an element is negated before it can touch the opponent the force tends to be gone as well? Even so it pushed him back a bit showing that Kakuzu probably has superior raiton mastery.
How? Pretty sure he can't coat his jin cloak (which is already chakra) with raiton chakra to make a lariat? Even if he did a lariat doesn't pierce anything really, I could be wrong as I don't recall his fight with MS Sasuke that much. Only pierced Kisame due to his jin bones and raiton wasn't really used there. So what exactly is his raiton going to do to Kakuzu? Who can take force attacks all day long.
Uh, he has swords. Lmao. Lariat uses the chakra to basically tear away at the skin. It's debatable whether or not Domu is strong enough to tank something as strong as V2 Lariat anyway, considering what a Lariat from V1 B with proper force behind it can do, let alone one from V2 Killer B with his little skeleton.
Kisame doesn't hold onto Samehada very tightly as shown with the facts that he's dropped it on occasion so Kakuzu grabbing it with his threads that blitzed Kakashi is a thing, especially if he's trying to absorb and elemental attack. Which gets me to my other point how exactly can he absorb something as massive as Kakuzu's fuuton given the fact that it would encompass him completely? He's be nothing more then a dot in the center of the storm? But no matter he can't absorb from all sides until he's fused and as I said he doesn't have top tier speed its his reactions that make him able to deal with the faster shinobi. But physical reactions won't help him with such massive jutsu, along with the fact that they're quick as well. Then there is the fact that everything he throws at Kakuzu is tanked in terms of ninjutsu and if he tries to take him out with swipes of samehada he gets caught in the threads?
Then he can just partially fuse with the blade meaning Kakuzu can't snatch it from him. If he tries to snatch Samehada up while Kisame is absorbing a jutsu, then he'd have to be pretty close since he was less than 5m away when he caught Kakashi with his threads. That's impossible unless he's caught in his own jutsu, or unless he's fast enough to close that distance, and then attack, which he's not.
Whatever touches his sword gets absorbed, and his sword can work as a physical barrier, meaning he absorbs whatever comes close to him instead of absorbing it all. Besides, all this doesn't matter when he fuses, and I never said he wouldn't fuse for this match. I just said it isn't needed, and it's not.
-Kisame still has Mizu Bunshin, which clone him and all his weapons. That includes Samehada. So that pretty much handles the absorbing from multiple angles issue. And no, his clones won't be weak fodder considering 30% Kisame's clones, which are 10% of him, weren't absolutely raped by Team Gai. Imagine 100%. Say Kisame's chakra is 100. 30% Kisame's is 30. 1/10 of 30 is 3. 1/10 of 100 is 10. That's almost 4x stronger. That also lets him cut any threads that come his way.
-Kisame can still attack underwater using sharks, which can also be used to increase his mobility. Kisame can still turn this entire battlefield into a lake. Granting him the option for a sneak attack and giving him an easy way to evade any elemental jutsu that he somehow fails to absorb, which is via his sharks carrying him underwater. Attacking Kakuzu from underwater pretty much makes the "thread attack when he gets close" strategy impossible to pull off.
-Or he can just block some of this guy's attacks with his own. Bakusui Shoha+1000 Feeding Sharks is enough to pretty much offset literally any jutsu Kakuzu uses. Gian isn't going to do anything. Fuuton should be strong enough to counter it, but it does nothing to Kisame which is the main point. Katon is :lol.
He doesn't need to absorb everything that comes his way, and even if he does have to...he has the ability to do so.
Sure, everything that hits his main body is tanked. But his Suiton is still plenty strong enough to take out any of Kakuzu's masks if they leave his body.
Kakuzu's jutsu are not quick. The only remotely quick jutsu he has is Gian. The rest have shown nothing that'd lead me to believe they are fast.
Yes Samehada can slice them but he's not nimble enough with the massive sword to slice more than one line of threads at a time so he'd still be grabbed. He needs WD to win this :lol how you think he takes down Kakuzu without it....
I don't even overrate him anymore? You just give the whole base negative vibes on him with your "Base Naruto solo's GG" annoyance and the groups consistency to try and insult me on defending him. I've wanked him in the past by saying he can beat Minato, Tobirama and a kage or two (still think he takes trollkage) but he's sub par by any means and was an interesting character when Naruto was at its peak.
Not useles, his fuuton/katon combo can take down the water dome (its a structure, remove a chunk of it and it all falls) sure Kisame can put it back up again, but again that provides an opening for Kakuzu.
No. Lol. It's a structure made of water. Remove a chunk of it and the rest will reform as the thing holding it together in the first place, Kisame, hasn't been removed.
Easily evaded? Why no one has ever succesfully evaded the threads in the manga so I don't know why you underrate them, his elemental jutsu? Sure I can see why you would be hesitant to notice they're strength. But the threads have literally never, been evaded. So you're saying that Kisame who needs to engage CQC, is going to successfully avoid all of
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while Kakuzu is casually sittting at the bottom of the dome like a sea plant, just waiting to snatch him, need I remind you how fast they can travel
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fast enough to smash the ground, sure he can evade a few but if Kakuzu sends them out from different angles and at different times it becomes harder. Then there is the fact that he can jump use those tentacles to propel himself in a direction if he needs to move which would give him enough burst for a short enough time to avoid being blitzed by Kisame.
Thousand sharks? Fuuton + Katon combo is a thing, and sadly since the thousand sharks are used piled up on each other in such a large manner, the jutsu can hit from basically anywhere.
Ahh this is what I was thinking about, can GSB absorb internal chakra? I don't think it can as its supposed to absorb jutsu and grow larger, now
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Domu sends chakra throughout the body to create the hardened skin, if it were ABOVE the skin it would create basically an earth cloak, but that isn't the case, nor does it create a new layer so by logic it seems that the chakra used is within Kakuzu himself hardening the skin. Its questionable if GSB can absorb that....and Doton>Suiton.
GSB absorbs chakra. There is nothing in the manga that absorbs chakra, but can't absorb chakra out of the user's body, so why give this handicap to GSB?
-Mokuryu. Absorbs chakra from Naruto's Avatar. Absorbed chakra from Madara's body.
-Preta Path. Absorbed FRS. Absorbed chakra from Naruto's body.
-Dosu absorbed Sasuke's chakra with his fodder absorption technique.
-Kaguya absorbed Amaterasu, and then absorbed chakra from Naruto and Sasuke.
No reason to believe it can't absorb chakra from inside the body. None whatsoever. Doton>Suiton doesn't matter when the Suiton absorbs chakra.
Then there is the fact that Kakuzu can rip it from the inside with his threads, causing it to lose its form.
Yes guys. Because B, who is already sturdy as all hell, in his JINCHUURIKI CLOAK POWERED BY THE SECOND STRONGEST BIJUU is just a regular human. Got any more jokes?
Swords cutting is fanfiction? What else are you going to throw at me. Not sure if you are even being serious at this point, cause this is starting to make you look like a clown. Samehada is a sword. Those are pieces of Samehada. Yet somehow they can't cut because.....you say so? :lol Get that stuff out of here.
-They can't pierce through a human being = They aren't swords. Then there is the fact that Samehada already isn't a very good sword when it comes to slicing, it merely has scales that cut the opponent when used.
-Kusanagi BLADEcouldn't pierce through cloaked Naruto. Guess it's not a sword.
-A SWORD couldn't cut KCM Naruto. Guess it's not a sword. Must be some weird object that only looks exactly like a sword.
Not sure what logic you are trying to use here. Inb4 "I didn't see the cloak and the tails" :lol
No...it just doesn't make a clean cut. It is a sword. It can cut. Slicing and cutting are literally the same thing, and even if they were different, they'd achieve the same thing here.
Then of course look where they are located. On the back of his fin, it would be quite hard to move in such a fashion as to succesfully slice a large piece of threads.
They are located on the back of the fin because that's where he made them appear. He's fused with Samehada. Not to mention he can just use more, and the momentum from his speed underwater should be enough to cut through them regardless of their position. And large piece? If we are talking about what was used against Base Naruto when he solo'd tried to land FRS then I doubt that they would be able to cut, but that's what feeding sharks and Daikodan are for, or simple evading.
Again, Samehada can't absorb from all directions if he does that he's going to be repeatedly electrocuted by raikiri level raiton chakra as it spreads throughout the "lake". Not to mention Kakuzu won't be forced in there so don't see how that would help him much.
Kisame absorbs chakra with or without Samehada as shown in the Manga. Raikiri level Raiton chakra? The only thing that makes it that level is the shape transformation. If it hits the lake and it spreads out, it loses that shape, thus it loses that power, thus Kisame absorbs it. He already absorbed Aoba's chakra attached to the strings even without Samehada.
Based on match up he was able to "tango with bee", not because they were the same level or even close. Kisame wins more times then not but not because "he was able to tango with bee". Having a key weakness over a particular ninja doesn't make you better then the rest who wouldn't be phased by that one advantage you had over another ninja(s).
Getting rid of the Bee crap, because I know he wins
Then he can just partially fuse with the blade meaning Kakuzu can't snatch it from him. If he tries to snatch Samehada up while Kisame is absorbing a jutsu, then he'd have to be pretty close since he was less than 5m away when he caught Kakashi with his threads. That's impossible unless he's caught in his own jutsu, or unless he's fast enough to close that distance, and then attack, which he's not.
He can't partially fuse with the blade, its not a thing he was shown to un-fuse and the Samehada came off his arm. Why he would randomly partially fuse when he hasn't before is sketch. Threads would remove it quicker than he can fuse anyways.
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Kakashi was busy with a jutsu and he got caught, Kisame will be busy with a jutsu and he will be caught :lol if Kisame's absorbing the jutsu then Kakuzu can come as close as he wants.
Whatever touches his sword gets absorbed, and his sword can work as a physical barrier, meaning he absorbs whatever comes close to him instead of absorbing it all. Besides, all this doesn't matter when he fuses, and I never said he wouldn't fuse for this match. I just said it isn't needed, and it's not.
:lol it is needed, as proven by your lack of any plausible argument here nice cop-out though. Its absorption field is not that large so its not absorbing all of the atsugai still.
-Kisame still has Mizu Bunshin, which clone him and all his weapons. That includes Samehada. So that pretty much handles the absorbing from multiple angles issue. And no, his clones won't be weak fodder considering 30% Kisame's clones, which are 10% of him, weren't absolutely raped by Team Gai. Imagine 100%. Say Kisame's chakra is 100. 30% Kisame's is 30. 1/10 of 30 is 3. 1/10 of 100 is 10. That's almost 4x stronger. That also lets him cut any threads that come his way.
Please give me proof that he can clone Samehada. Its never been shown and its highly un-likely, can't clone another living thing its that simple. FT and TAC are both wrong on the matter. He can make like what? Three clones? Without Samehada? Then there is the fact that the stronger they get the weaker the original, so in the end its just leveling the number advantage but without Kisames main factor of victory in this battle (samehada) they get wrecked in seconds.
-Kisame can still attack underwater using sharks, which can also be used to increase his mobility. Kisame can still turn this entire battlefield into a lake. Granting him the option for a sneak attack and giving him an easy way to evade any elemental jutsu that he somehow fails to absorb, which is via his sharks carrying him underwater. Attacking Kakuzu from underwater pretty much makes the "thread attack when he gets close" strategy impossible to pull off.
Katon+Fuuton combination can literally paste Kisame if he tries to get close underwater as Samehada won't absorb all of it, not to metion pretty sure he has it on his back when he's swimming. Kakuzu could himself go underwater and just remain near the surface giving him the ability to see when Kisame comes near him and impale him with threads so the strategy is still viable...just stick to the WD.
-Or he can just block some of this guy's attacks with his own. Bakusui Shoha+1000 Feeding Sharks is enough to pretty much offset literally any jutsu Kakuzu uses. Gian isn't going to do anything. Fuuton should be strong enough to counter it, but it does nothing to Kisame which is the main point. Katon is :lol.
Combination wrecks them though......Gian may pierce through them and reach Kisame tbh, think about what would happen if one of them were met with Raikiri.
He doesn't need to absorb everything that comes his way, and even if he does have to...he has the ability to do so.
Yes he does, and no he doesn't fuuton could still get him.
Sure, everything that hits his main body is tanked. But his Suiton is still plenty strong enough to take out any of Kakuzu's masks if they leave his body.
It can take out the Katon one, both the others jutsu can negate Kisame's which sadly aren't all that fast, and I doubt they'd do so well when used skyward. He can keep the katon one near his body or within him and bring it out if he wants combination.
Kakuzu's jutsu are not quick. The only remotely quick jutsu he has is Gian. The rest have shown nothing that'd lead me to believe they are fast.
No. Lol. It's a structure made of water. Remove a chunk of it and the rest will reform as the thing holding it together in the first place, Kisame, hasn't been removed.
If that is the case then it gets smaller...and smaller....and smaller, until he provides new water for it, which again provides an opening.
GSB absorbs chakra. There is nothing in the manga that absorbs chakra, but can't absorb chakra out of the user's body, so why give this handicap to GSB?
-Mokuryu. Absorbs chakra from Naruto's Avatar. Absorbed chakra from Madara's body.
-Preta Path. Absorbed FRS. Absorbed chakra from Naruto's body.
-Dosu absorbed Sasuke's chakra with his fodder absorption technique.
-Kaguya absorbed Amaterasu, and then absorbed chakra from Naruto and Sasuke.
Its a giant bomb? Kisame stated the stronger the enemies technique the stronger it gets
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I mean i'm trying to find the DB page but its literally the one page that isn't translated. All of those techniques (bar the ones I don't know) require the opponent to touch the other, not the suiton. If Kisame could give his suitons ability to absorb internal chakra water dome would suck out the chakra of an opponent itself not fused Kisame.
Lol. It's water first of all. Second of all, which ties into the first point
Your point? Kisame isn't keeping it together like the WD it can be ripped apart.
Yes guys. Because B, who is already sturdy as all hell, in his JINCHUURIKI CLOAK POWERED BY THE SECOND STRONGEST BIJUU is just a regular human. Got any more jokes?
Wut? Samehada absorbs chakra, so the cloak is useless to them, so its just them and skin.....
Swords cutting is fanfiction? What else are you going to throw at me. Not sure if you are even being serious at this point, cause this is starting to make you look like a clown. Samehada is a sword. Those are pieces of Samehada. Yet somehow they can't cut because.....you say so? :lol Get that stuff out of here.
-Kusanagi BLADEcouldn't pierce through cloaked Naruto. Guess it's not a sword.
-A SWORD couldn't cut KCM Naruto. Guess it's not a sword. Must be some weird object that only looks exactly like a sword.
Except one those were both stated to be swords, we really have no idea what these things are. Two they don't negate chakra like Samehada...making the cloak useless. Not to mention both of those clearly have sharp edges....does this thing look like its sharp on the edge? Does this thing look anything like a sword in any way?
Ha...Ha, your jokes were funny I guess.
Not sure what logic you are trying to use here. Inb4 "I didn't see the cloak and the tails" :lol
No...it just doesn't make a clean cut. It is a sword. It can cut. Slicing and cutting are literally the same thing, and even if they were different, they'd achieve the same thing here.
Samehada can indeed slice the threads but a bone that doesn't even have sharp edges? Naahh
They are located on the back of the fin because that's where he made them appear. He's fused with Samehada. Not to mention he can just use more, and the momentum from his speed underwater should be enough to cut through them regardless of their position. And large piece? If we are talking about what was used against Base Naruto when he solo'd tried to land FRS then I doubt that they would be able to cut, but that's what feeding sharks and Daikodan are for, or simple evading.
No? It came out of his gils because they are openings. he can't make them spawn from wherever. I was taking about the ones he used against Base Naruto, but I don't see it cutting any of them regardless.
Kisame absorbs chakra with or without Samehada as shown in the Manga. Raikiri level Raiton chakra? The only thing that makes it that level is the shape transformation. If it hits the lake and it spreads out, it loses that shape, thus it loses that power, thus Kisame absorbs it. He already absorbed Aoba's chakra attached to the strings even without Samehada.
"Amount of chakra put into the jutsu" So gian has the same amount of chakra as raikiri (the push back of Kakashi was because he had superior second state manioulation) but the negating was merely because they had equal chakra so Kisame and his basic absorption isn't absorbing it without Samehada. Sure he can heal, but it will happen more than once.
I don't really feel like going to the Hebi Sasuke thread, so if you haven't already hold off on that
Kakashi escaping even when it was used point blank and even when he had a distraction helping him is what tells me is isn't that fast. Showing me how "fast" it fires out via the use of panels doesn't even begin to help your argument. It being big means what exactly?
Is this before or after Kisame smacks the clown? Cause the only way this nonsense actually occurs is if Kisame sits there, twiddles his thumbs, and lets Kakuzu try to evaporate his dome.
Not going to post scans for the rest since I'm pretty sure you know how Preta Path and Dosu works since you should recall those occasions.
Its a giant bomb? Kisame stated the stronger the enemies technique the stronger it gets
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I mean i'm trying to find the DB page but its literally the one page that isn't translated. All of those techniques (bar the ones I don't know) require the opponent to touch the other, not the suiton.
2. Even if it were a bomb, it doesn't prove your point.
3. It gets stronger by absorbing the enemy's jutsu, which is made of chakra. Thus it absorbs chakra.
4. How does the last sentence even have anything to do with Daikodan? All of what techniques? All the matters is, Daikodan has been stated to absorb whatever it comes in contact with. An enemy's chakra is no different.
If Kisame could give his suitons ability to absorb internal chakra water dome would suck out the chakra of an opponent itself not fused Kisame.
What are you talking about? Whoever said he can just give any Suiton he has the ability to absorb chakra? Water Dome does not have the ability to absorb chakra. The only Suiton that can absorb chakra on contact is Daikodan. I really hope that you aren't trying to tell me that it doesn't have that ability.
Your point? Kisame isn't keeping it together like the WD it can be ripped apart.
Using threads to try and rip apart a giant shark completely made of water that utterly dwarfs his threads is the dumbest thing you could possibly say today. He can try and do this, but his threads would simply go right through Daikodan and do absolutely nothing to it. It'd be a different story if his threads weren't pencils in comparison to the shark, but they are, so it doesn't matter.
Then there's the fact that they have teeth, and that the DB states that it uses it's jaws to rip apart the enemy. So yeah. Threads do nothing but make Kakuzu look a fool before he gets killed.
Wut? Samehada absorbs chakra, so the cloak is useless to them, so its just them and skin.....
That shit only matters when the chakra has actually been absorbed, but that should be obvious. Lol.
Except one those were both stated to be swords, we really have no idea what these things are. Two they don't negate chakra like Samehada...making the cloak useless. Not to mention both of those clearly have sharp edges....does this thing look like its sharp on the edge? Does this thing look anything like a sword in any way?
1. We do have an idea. He is merged with Samehada. Thus they are Samehada's body parts. Thus they are swords.
2. Does Samehada look like a sword in any way besides it having a hilt? No. Does that change the fact it's a sword? No. Does that change the fact that it can actually cut? No. These are parts of Samehada. You look dumb trying to tell me that parts of a sword can't cut.
I can literally use the same logic for Samehada, which is a sword, to try and say that the smaller parts of Samehada
No? It came out of his gils because they are openings. he can't make them spawn from wherever. I was taking about the ones he used against Base Naruto, but I don't see it cutting any of them regardless.
Lol. Since you were talking about the larger ones it doesn't really matter.
Not in the slightest
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"Amount of chakra put into the jutsu" So gian has the same amount of chakra as raikiri (the push back of Kakashi was because he had superior second state manioulation) but the negating was merely because they had equal chakra so Kisame and his basic absorption isn't absorbing it without Samehada. Sure he can heal, but it will happen more than once.
