Love the lancer .. worship the lancer !

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Oh, they are.

They are mostly dimensional travellers, have no concept of death, can cut out events in time, have the ability to create their own world with their own rules, are capable of killing omnipotent beings, reality or anything in existence, etc.

Gilgamesh is still ridiculously powerful though.

Bruh, in which fate series do they come in? Is it animation, i heard another Fate series is going to be animated.

 

[Dr Gilgamesh]

I agree, Lancer is greatness. 11/10 thread.​

 

[Worm]

She only claims to be able to doesn't she? I mean she admitted that she has difficulty seeing some ethereal energies when she fought fujino. She said she had to observe it for some time before fully understanding it.

An "omnipotent" can easily one shot way before then. I don't think she stands a chance

Don't get me wrong. Ryougi Shiki cannot stand a chance against Gilgamesh, let alone omnipotent beings.

My post was made entirely if we assume that the battle takes place with Ryougi Shiki's third void personality [ }. That personality is capable of killing anything in existence, including omnipotent beings. Only problem is that it takes time for the [ ] personality to awake into the [ } personality, which would usually end up in her death against even normal Servants, but if we cut out that whole ''waking up'' thing and put her in the [ } personality from the start, she can kill them.

Ryougi Shiki's normal personality has no chance what so ever against omnipotent beings or Servants though. Too human to be able to understand things such as reality's death or etc.

 

[Hexuze]

Bruh, I loved Fate/Zero's Lancer, but UBW's Lancer is better.

Lancer really shows up in the second half of UBWs, he turns out to be a really cool dude.

Alright. Are there any characters are good as kiritsugu in UBW?

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Alright. Are there any characters are good as kiritsugu in UBW?

Lancer>Kiritsugu, but that's probably just me.
Archer is pretty cool too, and Obviously Gilgamesh.

 

[Worm]

Bruh, in which fate series do they come in? Is it animation, i heard another Fate series is going to be animated.

Not Fate/ series directly actually.

Fate/ series is a story that takes place in a multiverse called Nasuverse and more stories occur in said multiverse other than Fate. For an example, they all share the same world building, organizations and rules related to the world or magecraft. Some characters from Fate/ know characters that appear in other Nasuverse events such as Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai.

Remember Fate/Zero's 18th episode with all the vampires taking over the island in which Kiritsugu lived on when he was a kid because his father was researching them? Those vampires are called Dead Apostles and they are the main antagonistic force in Tsukihime, where you get more details and explanations on what those vampires are and where they come from or why Magi are researching them, etc.

Aside from Fate/ and it's many alternative setting or spin-off stories, Nasuverse has

- Tsukihime (including Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood)
- Kara no Kyoukai
- Mahou Tsukai no Yoru

And other works, etc. I can get you a guide for the Nasuverse if you need. Only Kara no Kyoukai has a good anime adaption right now though.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

Not Fate/ series directly actually.

Fate/ series is a story that takes place in a multiverse called Nasuverse and more stories occur in said multiverse other than Fate. For an example, they all share the same world building, organizations and rules related to the world or magecraft. Some characters from Fate/ know characters that appear in other Nasuverse events such as Tsukihime or Kara no Kyoukai.

Remember Fate/Zero's 18th episode with all the vampires taking over the island in which Kiritsugu lived on when he was a kid because his father was researching them? Those vampires are called Dead Apostles and they are the main antagonistic force in Tsukihime, where you get more details and explanations on what those vampires are and where they come from or why Magi are researching them, etc.

Aside from Fate/ and it's many alternative setting or spin-off stories, Nasuverse has

- Tsukihime (including Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood)
- Kara no Kyoukai
- Mahou Tsukai no Yoru

And other works, etc. I can get you a guide for the Nasuverse if you need. Only Kara no Kyoukai has a good anime adaption right now though.

Are they as good as Fate/Zero and UBW? I like the servants aspect.

 

[Worm]

Alright. Are there any characters are good as kiritsugu in UBW?

Majority of Fate/Stay Night's characters are better written than Kiritsugu actually. That's because Kiritsugu was written by Fate/Stay Night's author and he didn't have time to develop him as much as FSN's characters.

Best written FSN character is Shirou, but only in the Visual Novel. Anime doesn't really do a good job on characterizing Shirou and cuts out too many stuff. Kirei is also plenty more complex in FSN's VN, mainly the Heaven's Feel route.

The visual novel in general has a lot more detail and characterization than the anime or Zero.

Are they as good as Fate/Zero and UBW? I like the servants aspect.

Mhm. They are all just as great as Fate. If you're going to go for Kara no Kyoukai's anime, I strongly recommend it. It was great and in terms of adaption, it's closer to the original source than Fate is. Although, movie 6 kind of alters things so it's easily the weakest out of the bunch because of it being a bad adaption of that particular chapter in the Light Novel. Still good tho'.

Kara no Kyoukai can be really confusing at first, but everything gets cleared up as the story goes on. Just pay a lot of attention.

Tsukihime doesn't have an anime adaption sadly. Except that old Tsukihime anime that is such a horrible adaption people pretend it does not exist, hence the ''Tsukihime anime does not exist'' meme.

Mahou Tsukai no Yoru adaption has been implied for the future though.

 

[Gerkak]

Don't get me wrong. Ryougi Shiki cannot stand a chance against Gilgamesh, let alone omnipotent beings.

My post was made entirely if we assume that the battle takes place with Ryougi Shiki's third void personality [ }. That personality is capable of killing anything in existence, including omnipotent beings. Only problem is that it takes time for the [ ] personality to awake into the [ } personality, which would usually end up in her death against even normal Servants, but if we cut out that whole ''waking up'' thing and put her in the [ } personality from the start, she can kill them.

Ryougi Shiki's normal personality has no chance what so ever against omnipotent beings or Servants though. Too human to be able to understand things such as reality's death or etc.

I see

 

[Wretched]

Majority of Fate/Stay Night's characters are better written than Kiritsugu actually. That's because Kiritsugu was written by Fate/Stay Night's author and he didn't have time to develop him as much as FSN's characters.

Best written FSN character is Shirou, but only in the Visual Novel. Anime doesn't really do a good job on characterizing Shirou and cuts out too many stuff. Kirei is also plenty more complex in FSN's VN, mainly the Heaven's Feel route.

The visual novel in general has a lot more detail and characterization than the anime or Zero.

Shirou is the worse character imo , he reminds me of kaneki at the start of tokyo ghoul.
Seriously everything archer told him is true , he has no goals of his own and he follows kiritsigu's ideals and wants to go a way that he already knows it's end ...
I was hoping that archer actually kills him in today's episode but now that shirou has that thingy in him he wont die.

 

[Worm]

Shirou is the worse character imo , he reminds me of kaneki at the start of tokyo ghoul.
Seriously everything archer told him is true , he has no goals of his own and he follows kiritsigu's ideals and wants to go a way that he already knows it's end ...
I hoped archer killed him in today's episode!

@Bold. That is solely because you are watching the anime adaption instead of reading the Visual Novel. A lot of what Shirou does or says is explained in his internal monologues which are constant in the Visual Novel as the whole story is viewed and read from his perspective. You know what he is thinking in his head at every little thing he does, at all times.

Anime cuts out a massive deal of his monologues and leaves some confusing things. The anime director admitted that Shirou is too complex for him to copy his character into the anime well. Although, his personality is kinda altered quite a bit, too.

Seriously everything archer told him is true , he has no goals of his own and he follows kiritsigu's ideals and wants to go a way that he already knows it's end ...

What Archer says is correct, but that doesn't mean he is right. <- That is what Shirou tells you in this episode. Archer says the truth; Shirou will probably never be able to make his ideal reality. But Archer saying that it's a pointless ideal that shouldn't exist is wrong. Because even if it cannot be made into reality, if it saves a lot of people on the way and brings them happiness, then it is the correct thing to do because wishing for everyone to be happy is not wrong, even if it is impossible.

Shirou will probably explain himself in the next episode as he does in the Visual Novel. UBW Shirou will not end up like Archer. In fact, UBW Shirou will end up to be more of a person like Lancer. That should be explained in the next episodes though so I won't spoil.

 

[LitzSabr]

Badass indeed.

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And as usual Azâzel doin' the good work preaching the bestverse.

Alright. Are there any characters are good as kiritsugu in UBW?

As in terms of writing, there are a few even better. Though I doubt as much interesting but thats subjective

 

[Worm]

^ You know it. I'm here to answer all the questions and confusions people have with it as well as leading them into Fate's expansive world.

 

[Wretched]

@Bold. That is solely because you are watching the anime adaption instead of reading the Visual Novel. A lot of what Shirou does or says is explained in his internal monologues which are constant in the Visual Novel as the whole story is viewed and read from his perspective. You know what he is thinking in his head at every little thing he does, at all times.

Anime cuts out a massive deal of his monologues and leaves some confusing things. The anime director admitted that Shirou is too complex for him to copy his character into the anime well. Although, his personality is kinda altered quite a bit, too.



What Archer says is correct, but that doesn't mean he is right. <- That is what Shirou tells you in this episode. Archer says the truth; Shirou will probably never be able to make his ideal reality. But Archer saying that it's a pointless ideal that shouldn't exist is wrong. Because even if it cannot be made into reality, if it saves a lot of people on the way and brings them happiness, then it is the correct thing to do because wishing for everyone to be happy is not wrong, even if it is impossible.

Shirou will probably explain himself in the next episode as he does in the Visual Novel. UBW Shirou will not end up like Archer. In fact, UBW Shirou will end up to be more of a person like Lancer. That should be explained in the next episodes though so I won't spoil.

Ill wait for next week but i dont think knowing that it will change my mind...

In the last episode shirou said alot of things , most of them were lame and confusing

"What archer says is correct but that does not mean that he is right"

"I will kill the me that is you"

Didnt understand a thing he said it seemed to me that he himself had no come backs against archer's words so he started shouting dumb things that sound smart...

 

[Worm]

Ill wait for next week but i dont think knowing that it will change my mind...

In the last episode shirou said alot of things , most of them were lame and confusing

"What archer says is correct but that does not mean that he is right"

"I will kill the me that is you"

Didnt understand a thing he said it seemed to me that he himself had no come backs against archer's words so he started shouting dumb things that sound smart...

They are smart though. It's kind of more difficult to understand without being in his head like in the Visual Novel, but Shirou should explain what he meant by that in the next episode unless they cut it out completely.

In the VN, Shirou is pretty philosophical and has a strong grasp on reality and how things work which is clear from his monologues. I mean I could explain what he meant in those sentences if you don't wanna wait for the next episodes.

 

[LitzSabr]

Real talk.
Archer used UBW in that state. Seems legit

 

[iNotorious]

Dam base shirou has avalon! That's what i call OP!

Lancer best bro 2015

 

[LitzSabr]

Dam base shirou has avalon! That's what i call OP!

Lancer best bro 2015

Helpful, but not the real/complete power of Avalon though. That is whats really OP.

 

[iNotorious]

Helpful, but not the real/complete power of Avalon though. That is whats really OP.

Well he has limited immortality as long as saber is close to his master meaning shirou.

 

[Worm]

Eh, that isn't particulary that strong of an ability in Nasuverse. Still pretty useful though. Kind of like the regenerative abilities of Dead Apostles.