Why Peace In Narutoverse Is unfeasible

[itsxtrayy]

Ever since Kishi introduced the idea of world peace into the manga I thought it was a huge mistake, mainly because it's just an impossible goal to achieve and it seems completely counterintuitive for a shonen battle manga.

The reason why I believe this doesn't work in-universe is because of the entire premise of the show. This is a world built around ninja mercenaries taking jobs which involve killing other people and getting paid to do it. The money ninja's bring in is the foundation for their economy: no missions no money, no money their entire economy collapses. The only way for there to be peace in a world like this is if everybody stops being Ninja's, but no ninja's no money it's a paradox that Kishi doesn't even bother to address.

Even Pain brings this up in chapter 436 he says "The land of fire and Konoha have grown too big. The nations make war to protect their interests and for national gain. If not, the people would starve. But the battleground was always our small village, our small land. And each time, our land laid waste and people left impoverished."

Konoha MADE WAR for national gain becuase otherwise PEOPLE WOULD STARVE war in Narutoverse brings in money and resources. How can there be peace in a world that RELIES on fighting and war to fuel their economies. Convientely Kishi doesn't even address these questions.

If Naruto was serious about peace he would abolish the ninja system and the people of this world would of had to find another way to support themselves that brings in just as much if not more money than missions and war. But like I said this is a shonen battle manga and peace doesn't fit into this story. That's not to say it couldn't fit Kishi would of had to change the ending drastically tho.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Kishi should've had chakra abolished altogether. That was the source of war and such.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Because the uchiha are always butthurt

 

[The Work]

Honestly, it's just the Uchihas.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Because the uchiha are always butthurt

Honestly, it's just the Uchihas.

The Uchihas didn't cause the first,second,and third Shinobi world war. The whole world was in the cycle of revenge,and hatred. That was the history of the Shinobi world.

Every single person who has ever fought for their own gain isn't an Uchiha. This is human nature.

 

[itsxtrayy]

The Uchihas didn't cause the first,second,and third Shinobi world war. The whole world was in the cycle of revenge,and hatred. That was the history of the Shinobi world.

Every single person who has ever fought for their own gain isn't an Uchiha. This is human nature.

Thank you for soloing those bums, they obviously didn't comprehend the post I wrote.

 

[YellowFang]

Honestly, I was hoping that Kaguya collects all chakra from NV and Naruto & Sasuke with their temporary assists from Hago, defeat her and TADA!!!

World is pure of chakra and Naruto/Sasuke at normal scales... potential for future story development...

 

[lndra]

"If Naruto was serious..."

I'll stop you right there. Naruto can't remove the shinobi system, you think he can forcibly take down the Ninja System which is home to the Five Villages, and tell them to stop being ninjas?

Ninja's will always be there, it is impossible. The only thing they can do is bring peace through cooperation, so when the world faces trouble like so, the fives villages can act as one, exactly like the shinobi alliance. So far it has been 5-6 years since Naruto became Hokage, and so far (and even Kakashi's time) the villages have cooperated with ease.

 

[Karna]

Why peace in NV is possible: Because Kishi says so.

We don't look at what the creator says and think whether it fits, we take whatever Kishi says and bend our NV theories and logic accordingly to fit, that's how fiction works.

But to argue against your post, Kishi made the drastic change- the modernization of NV in last chapter of the main series to show that shinobi world has changed and it can change again if required to gain peace and people can find jobs- construction, general store, cell phone-tech manufacturer etc etc. And if each village specialized in different fields they would all become interdependent and peace would be established. And even if something happened we have Narujesus to save the day anyway, again we bend logic to fit authors unchallenged words.

 

[take it easy]

Say thanks to Indra who started cycle of hatred.

 

[Young Vongola]

I think one of those novels that came out after Naruto's end touched on the economics of after the war when Kakashi became Hokage and stuff, and how some people's lives got messed up because they were broke. I don't think people on here consider it canon, but it makes sense.

But ultimately it's a shonen fantasy series, it isn't supposed to be too realistic, I guess you just have to take what the author writes into the story.

 

[itsxtrayy]

"If Naruto was serious..."

I'll stop you right there. Naruto can't remove the shinobi system, you think he can forcibly take down the Ninja System which is home to the Five Villages, and tell them to stop being ninjas?

Ninja's will always be there, it is impossible. The only thing they can do is bring peace through cooperation, so when the world faces trouble like so, the fives villages can act as one, exactly like the shinobi alliance. So far it has been 5-6 years since Naruto became Hokage, and so far (and even Kakashi's time) the villages have cooperated with ease.

It's hilarious how you stop me at the tail end of my post lol, but do you not see how this is a plot hole? Ninja's support the economy by completing missions on missions ninja's kill each other there can't be peace this way because there will be no money and there societies will collapse.

 

[lndra]

It's hilarious how you stop me at the tail end of my post lol, but do you not see how this is a plot hole? Ninja's support the economy by completing missions on missions ninja's kill each other there can't be peace this way because there will be no money and there societies will collapse.

Ninja's are police dogs. They aren't killing anyone who isn't a rogue, or who is disrupting the peace.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Why peace in NV is possible: Because Kishi says so.

We don't look at what the creator says and think whether it fits, we take whatever Kishi says and bend our NV theories and logic accordingly to fit, that's how fiction works.

But to argue against your post, Kishi made the drastic change- the modernization of NV in last chapter of the main series to show that shinobi world has changed and it can change again if required to gain peace and people can find jobs- construction, general store, cell phone-tech manufacturer etc etc. And if each village specialized in different fields they would all become interdependent and peace would be established. And even if something happened we have Narujesus to save the day anyway, again we bend logic to fit authors unchallenged words.

You have a very skewed understanding of narrative, what you just said is ridiculous. If something doesn't make sense in a story it's called bad writing, it's that simple, stories can have their own internal logic, but the world and characters have to follow that logic. The readers don't just take whatever the author writes and not call bullshit if it doesn't make sense.

I thought about your last post and I agree, thats why i said in my post that it could work. But finding a solution to peace was the main problem in the last part of the manga this is something kishi should have shown a solution to in order to bookend the story.

 

[Raven Zecrow]

There can never be "true" peace since conflict is always bound to erupt. The best they can do is cooperate with each other for as long as they can and hope for the best.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Ninja's are police dogs. They aren't killing anyone who isn't a rogue, or who is disrupting the peace.

Dude ninja's fight other ninja's on mission's did you even read the manga? Clients can hire them to do ANYTHING from picking weeds in their gardens to assassinating people. And depending on the job That's how much money they get paid, this was explained in like the first 10 chapters. And as pain said without doing these missions and fighting wars PEOPLE WILL STARVE. It's a clear as day paradox.

 

[lndra]

Dude ninja's fight other ninja's on mission's did you even read the manga? Clients can hire them to do ANYTHING from picking weeds in their gardens to assassinating people. And depending on the job That's how much money they get paid, this was explained in like the first 10 chapters. And as pain said without doing these missions and fighting wars PEOPLE WILL STARVE. It's a clear as day paradox.

Was the world at peace and working together under one creed?

 

[Avani]

Peace is not a physical object that you can find and then keep it. It's a status, that has to be maintained with regular efforts.

Chakra, Kaguya were not the reason of Wars. They were there before Kaguya came and took over the control. BZ was able to manipulate them in to starting bigger wars for his personal gain, it was only because the conflicts were already present. So removing chakra from universe won't stop anything. Kunai and words would still be usable.

You have a very skewed understanding of narrative, what you just said is ridiculous. If something doesn't make sense in a story it's called bad writing, it's that simple, stories can have their own internal logic, but the world and characters have to follow that logic. The readers don't just take whatever the author writes and not call bullshit if it doesn't make sense.

I thought about your last post and I agree, thats why i said in my post that it could work. But finding a solution to peace was the main problem in the last part of the manga this is something kishi should have shown a solution to in order to bookend the story.

He added the solution- a UN and regular negotiations around a table instead of in the battle field.

 

[itsxtrayy]

There can never be "true" peace since conflict is always bound to erupt. The best they can do is cooperate with each other for as long as they can and hope for the best.

I agree, but part of doing everything the best they can do should be downsizing their militaries and trying to find other ways to support their economies than completing missions and war. It's implied this kind of happened but it's something we needed to see imo.

 

[itsxtrayy]

Peace is not a physical object that you can find and then keep it. It's a status, that has to be maintained with regular efforts.

Chakra, Kaguya were not the reason of Wars. They were there before Kaguya came and took over the control. BZ was able to manipulate them in to starting bigger wars for his personal gain, it was only because the conflicts were already present. So removing chakra from universe won't stop anything. Kunai and words would still be usable.



He added the solution- a UN and regular negotiations around a table instead of in the battle field.

That's not a solution because, like I pointed out in my post, if ninja's aren't fighting villages aren't making money. War and missions are the foundation of their economies, they need conflict so the people won't starve. It goes like this: Peace=Starving people. War and Missions= booming economy and fed people.