Kishi ruined Sasuke's Character ;)

[lndra]

It's just an asspull so Sarada can hate him and run to Naruto while Boruto runs with Sasuke. It's BS though.

They could of made it where Sasuke spent time with his family, trained with Boruto, and Sarada still could of went on Naruto's side for training if that's where she goes anyway since it's unconfirmed.

She still could of activated the Sharingan through love BY spending time with her father. If that's how he wanted to showcase, I don't know why he went with this route :lol

Ex

Spoiler

She's spending time with her father, mother, and Naruto drops by. They all have this one big moment and she just appreciates life, BAM. Sharingan, cries and all that jazz while smiling

Kishimoto: Nope.

 

[Dantee]

that revolution nonsense was flawed and Sasuke is not "finding peace his own way" he's working alongside Naruto.
That is what was wrong with Sasuke, he tried to find peace and fight adversity alone and then learned from Naruto that is the wrong way of doing things. And the shinobi system they are living in is the one Naruto kept preaching about working together to bring peace

The only thing naruto preached about is working together which is no way a complete system/plan for peace. It's at best a moral. Please tell me where Naruto insisted that sasuke stray away from the village and go on missions. Naruto himself said he had no plan for the future while Sasuke had a clear goal/ plan in his revolution. I wouldn't be surprised if Sasuke was the one who came up the agenda for his current missions in the 1st place.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kishi never should have involved Sasuke with pairings.

Exactly this.

 

[Endles Waltz]

They could of made it where Sasuke spent time with his family, trained with Boruto, and Sarada still could of went on Naruto's side for training if that's where she goes anyway since it's unconfirmed.

She still could of activated the Sharingan through love BY spending time with her father. If that's how he wanted to showcase, I don't know why he went with this route :lol

Ex

Spoiler

She's spending time with her father, mother, and Naruto drops by. They all have this one big moment and she just appreciates life, BAM. Sharingan, cries and all that jazz while smiling

Kishimoto: Nope.

Exactly, and he doesn't have to even be there a lot, just not complete abandonment, smh.

He was probably influenced by fans like you, hating so much. :lol

 

[DroGGz0r]

He didn't ruin shit yet. Stop overdramatizing.

 

[lndra]

The only thing naruto preached about is working together which is no way a complete system/plan for peace. It's at best a moral. Please tell me where Naruto insisted that sasuke stray away from the village and go on missions. Naruto himself said he had no plan for the future while Sasuke had a clear goal/ plan in his revolution. I wouldn't be surprised if Sasuke was the one who came up the agenda for his current missions in the 1st place.

The problem is not with what Sasuke hopes to achieve, but the length he will have to go to achieve it. Hagoromo has mentioned many times that too much power corrupts. The problem is Sasuke needs to seize ultimate power if he wishes to hold dominion over the planet. Kaguya was faced with the same decision and choose ultimate power and ate the fruit turning, riding her of heart in the process, as a side effect of the fruit. Sasuke has already been corrupted in part by his power, we can see that in the way Kishi draws his sinister faces, but he still has a heart and wishes to do good. Sasuke will ultimately be faced with a choice though, eat the fruit obtaining ultimate power, or give up his ambitions. If he eats the fruit he will loose sight of his ambitions like Kaguya did tho, and Sasuke knows what happened to Kaguya, so he's a bit more informed. This plan would have only went so far, before chaos ensued.

 

[Dantee]

The problem is not with what Sasuke hopes to achieve, but the length he will have to go to achieve it. Hagoromo has mentioned many times that too much power corrupts. The problem is Sasuke needs to seize ultimate power if he wishes to hold dominion over the planet. Kaguya was faced with the same decision and choose ultimate power and ate the fruit turning, riding her of heart in the process, as a side effect of the fruit. Sasuke has already been corrupted in part by his power, we can see that in the way Kishi draws his sinister faces, but he still has a heart and wishes to do good. Sasuke will ultimately be faced with a choice though, eat the fruit obtaining ultimate power, or give up his ambitions. If he eats the fruit he will loose sight of his ambitions like Kaguya did tho, and Sasuke knows what happened to Kaguya, so he's a bit more informed.


I don't have the time to explain why Naruto's plan is better. Making a new thread lol

That's not what we were arguing about. It's actually a bit more silly.

 

[lndra]

That's not what we were arguing about. It's actually a bit more silly.

Inform me because I only skimmed through it XD

but if it's that silly then forget it

 

[Rohan]

Just like the majority of users here, you are making assumptions on incomplete information.

That's all I have to say.

 

[Ambivalence]

The situation with Sasuke is abysmal, and I don't know how the hell are there people still defending him, or should I say Kishi. It wasn't bad enough that everyone rips on the SS pairing, it wasn't bad enough it somehow happened despite Sasuke trying to kill his future wife more than once, and now... he points a sword at his own child? Are you freaking kidding me? Does that clown Kishi think this is some sort of solidified trend that's just funny and amusing to everyone? So what, can I expect him to make Sasuke stab Sarada through the chest next time and then portray them as the best father and daughter a few chapters later? Lmfao, this is absolute BS.

Screw. This. Gaiden.

 

[Adam Driver]

The only thing naruto preached about is 1. working together which is no way a complete system/plan for peace. It's at best a moral. Please tell me where 2. Naruto insisted that sasuke stray away from the village and go on missions. 3. Naruto himself said he had no plan for the future while Sasuke had a clear goal/ plan in his 4. revolution. I wouldn't be surprised if Sasuke was the one who came up the agenda for his current missions in the 1st place.

1. working together which is what they are doing and is obviously the shinobi system that they live in.
2. Naruto is unaware that Sasuke strayed away from the village on his own behalf, this is made clear when Naruto finds out Salada doesn't know a thing about sasuke
3. Yes Naruto did say he was unsure on how to obtain peace for the world but he knew that it could only be done through cooperation
4. Yes the same revolution where he wanted to enter the darkness alone when Naruto saved him from that darkness

 

[Dantee]

Inform me because I only skimmed through it XD

but if it's that silly then forget it

It was never my intent to argue about his revolution plan. I was only making a point his goal was peace and it's the reason he's been away from the village. the start of the argument began with aids n lovers so yh it's beyond silly at this point.

 

[lndra]

It was never my intent to argue about his revolution plan. I was only making a point his goal was peace and it's the reason he's been away from the village. the start of the argument began with aids n lovers so yh it's beyond silly at this point.

I think Chapter 699 explains it well.

 

[Dantee]

1. working together which is what they are doing and is obviously the shinobi system that they live in.
2. Naruto is unaware that Sasuke strayed away from the village on his own behalf, this is made clear when Naruto finds out Salada doesn't know a thing about sasuke
3. Yes Naruto did say he was unsure on how to obtain peace for the world but he knew that it could only be done through cooperation
4. Yes the same revolution where he wanted to enter the darkness alone when Naruto saved him from that darkness

So Naruto doesn't know Sasuke has been away from the village? complete bs
A system is compromised of many things. Working together isn't the whole system, it's simply a moral compass
So you agree more or less saying the same thing i am


but Same with you Boruto , Don't jump into other peoples arguments when you don't know what we're talking about.

 

[Endles Waltz]

The situation with Sasuke is abysmal, and I don't know how the hell are there people still defending him, or should I say Kishi. It wasn't bad enough that everyone rips on the SS pairing, it wasn't bad enough it somehow happened despite Sasuke trying to kill his future wife more than once, and now... he points a sword at his own child? Are you freaking kidding me? Does that clown Kishi think this is some sort of solidified trend that's just funny and amusing to everyone? So what, can I expect him to make Sasuke stab Sarada through the chest next time and then portray them as the best father and daughter a few chapters later? Lmfao, this is absolute BS.

Screw. This. Gaiden.

Great post.

I'm glad to see someone finally saying it, I was confused how people could not see this.

 

[Nagi]

The problem is not with what Sasuke hopes to achieve, but the length he will have to go to achieve it. Hagoromo has mentioned many times that too much power corrupts. The problem is Sasuke needs to seize ultimate power if he wishes to hold dominion over the planet. Kaguya was faced with the same decision and choose ultimate power and ate the fruit turning, riding her of heart in the process, as a side effect of the fruit. Sasuke has already been corrupted in part by his power, we can see that in the way Kishi draws his sinister faces, but he still has a heart and wishes to do good. Sasuke will ultimately be faced with a choice though, eat the fruit obtaining ultimate power, or give up his ambitions. If he eats the fruit he will loose sight of his ambitions like Kaguya did tho, and Sasuke knows what happened to Kaguya, so he's a bit more informed. This plan would have only went so far, before chaos ensued.

Sasuke should've just cast "infinite izanami" on the world. Only people who acknowledge their mistake and shit will be free while everybody else will be in a genjutsu. Nothing wrong with forcing people to acknowledge shit. XD

 

[superturtle]

Can't ruin something that was already destroyed at Kage Summit.

 

[Edenia]

I agree with your point of view OP and this right here is the main point of it all

All through the manga, up until gaiden, Sasuke has been shown to be the one person in the manga who probably had the most love for his family. It's pretty much all that drove him to do all he did.

It doesn't make much sense except to make Sarada awaken her Sharingan and start a new cycle of hatred for the cursed clan Uchiha. I feel Kishi should have really tried to go on a different path here even if he wants to set everything for the movie. Not to mention that it keeps getting worst for Sakura lol.

 

[Adam Driver]

So Naruto doesn't know Sasuke has been away from the village? 1. complete bs
A system is compromised of many things. 2. Working together isn't the whole system, it's simply a moral compass
So you agree more or less saying the same thing i am


Same with you Boruto , 3. Don't jump into other peoples arguments when you don't know what we're talking about.

1. Yes, Naruto did not know Sasuke was away from the village at least for such a long time since Salada's birth. Naruto only knew about Sasuke telling him he will travel in chapter 699. That can be easily implied because Naruto was surprised that Salada didn't know who her father was.

2. I was only disagreeing when you mentioned Sasuke's flawed "Revolution" plan which had nothing to do with working together to find peace. And people working together to kill Sasuke is completely foolish, and will never be peaceful.

3. Wanted to correct bs on behalf of the revolution nonsense

 

[Dantee]

1. Yes, Naruto did not know Sasuke was away from the village at least for such a long time since Salada's birth. Naruto only knew about Sasuke telling him he will travel in chapter 699. That can be easily implied because Naruto was surprised that Salada didn't know who her father was.

2. I was only disagreeing when you mentioned Sasuke's flawed "Revolution" plan which had nothing to do with working together to find peace. And people working together to kill Sasuke is completely foolish, and will never be peaceful.

3. Wanted to correct bs on behalf of the revolution nonsense

Sigh...No point in me countering this bs. I never said his revolution plan was them working together or that it was the right path. You obviously can't read and want to start an argument over nothing.