3T Madara VS Base Killer Bee

[Draphsin]

Itachi never really tried to fight him head on like Sasuke. Everything he had done back then was to get away from Bee's reach which is something even Sasuke can do if it wasn't for him trying to act cool and face him head on.

As I said previously & am about to say in my response below, itachi did the same thing that sasuke did & sasuke ended up falling. Itachi didn't allow bee to do the same thing despite being in the exact same situation.

Lol. Learn the difference between Taijutsu and moving from point A to point B.

:lol I suggest you do the same.

Madara blitzed Naruto and shoved him back. How the hell does that mean he can best Bee in a taijutsu fight?

Madara attacked him, same

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indicating attack as the ones used by

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The fact that madara landed an attack that knocked SM naruto back while using shunshin proves that he has the ability to best him in cqc. I wouldn't be calling this a blitz or a cqc feat if madara never landed that hit, but he did, so naruto got blitzed like bee gets blitzed here.

& It wasn't a push, no way is madara before obtaining senjutsu stronger than SM naruto even while using shunshin, naruto isn't getting pushed back.

That's like me saying since Minato was faster than Ay (no FTG, according to DB) he should be able to best every shinobi who is slower than him in a taijutsu fight. Makes no sense.

:lol What..? Minato's striking speed is lacking which makes his cqc ability w/o FTG average, you can have the best reactions in the world, doesn't mean your body can physically engage in quick exchanges though.

Your Hashiramas feat is invalid too.

Unbelievable.

He started running before the blast was even shot (you hid that panel)

Lmfao no I didn't, I can't hide scans & I wouldn't post a scan if I wanted to hide the previous one shown... :lol

Tbbs are fast, they can cross

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in a matter of seconds. Outrunning one being fired right behind you & having enough speed to gain at least 5 rashomon gates worth of distance before summoning them is impressive.

And he didn't need to intercept anything because he was already on front of it and unless you have some way to measure the speed Kuramas TBB goes I don't know why you brought this up.

Alright you know what, I didn't think you would be so dense as to compare madara to itachi in any category aside from genjutsu & shurikenjutsu. Here, I'll give you something that undoubtedly proves itachi to be lower than madara if you wanna try this hard to refute what I'm saying.

- Kid Madara w/o sharingan was

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, who are

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3T Uchiha adults.

- Teen Itachi needed

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to deal w/ 3T Uchiha adults.

So unless you have proof that these particular uchiha are for some reason above the senjus raised during a war then this proves that base kid madara > 3T teen itachi, scale it up via age & it only gets worse from there.

I didn't say Itachi was better than Madara in anything.

I quoted you for this very reason:

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And no Madara is not superior in everything, especially when the fight gets to, CQC, Bee wrecks.

If itachi didn't get wrecked in cqc then madara getting wrecked means you believe he's inferior. Or did itachi get "wrecked" as well?

That's you not comprehending my point. Your claim of Madara being better at CqC is invalid.

I didn't fail to comprehend anything, you believe that madara gets wrecked by bee in cqc, I said that's false unless you believe madara to be inferior to itachi since itachi didn't get wrecked. You're right to say that refuting my points doesn't necessarily mean you believe he's better, however saying that madara gets wrecked by bee does say that.

Anyways as for my claim being "invalid" ignore the examples you believe are invalid then, address the new one I presented.

Your claim of him being better isnt holding because of the following reasons; Your feat has been debunked of Madara being some superior badass taijutsu master to Bee because him blitzing Naruto back does not mean he will best Bee in a taijutsu fight.

Yes it does, if a SM user doesn't have the reactions to prevent himself from being hit by madara then they lose in cqc, simple as that really.

Usain Bolt will beat everyone in MMA in a race from point A to point B but it doesn't mean he'll best them in the ring up close where that speed doesn't matter. Get it now?

Really..? Has usain bolt ever hit a MMA fighter square in the face while running, thus knocking that person on their ass? Nope? Then this analogy is invalid. Madara didn't just run over & push naruto down & nothing suggests that happened, he hit him while moving at a speed that naruto couldn't track = blitz. Not hard to understand.

Madara best feat is stomping those fodders in the alliance. Key word, Fodders.

As I said base kid madara clowns senju adults, who are above uchiha adults, who itachi needed his 3T to best. That's the end of any claims regarding itachi being superior in cqc.

Beginning Part 2 Sasuke stomped 500+ fodders with tai/kenjutsu alone and most likely didn't even have Sharingan on and he didn't kill a single one so his feat is even more impressive than Madara and if all it took was someone with a 3.5 in Taijutsu to do that what could someone like Itachi do?

Read above, those fodders get stomped by senju fodders, thus making madara's feat much more impressive on both ends considering he was younger + there's proof he was in base as opposed to your assumption of sasuke being in base.

Need I remind you he's ranked 2 whole tiers above that Sasuke in Taijutsu? So saying Madara is better than Itachi in that is invalid and I suggest you find a factual point to support your claim.

I did, ignore the other examples if you want because even if you think they are invalid, this latest example isn't.

Sasuke was actually engaging him in the fight and trading blows. Itachi ran away.

Wrong, sasuke was parrying/avoiding the attacks coming at him while trying to retreat, the manga page shows it all.

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yet managed to come out w/o getting hit, & he didn't have a sword to help parry the attacks. Sasuke landed on his ass.

No, Naruto and Bee never attacked him at the same time and Narutos hand speed and taijutsu prowess was inferior to Itachis, which is all they used.

Please read the manga,

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while naruto was engaging him thus forcing him to dodge. &

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in taijutsu.

You can say Itachi didn't get touched, but you can't say had the fight continued that way he would have emerged unscathed and the fact that he ran away to retreat is evidence he was getting overwhelmed.

This paragraph is proof that you're misinterpreting my point now. Never mentioned the fight continuing, never mentioned him retreating. I said an attack that sasuke couldn't escape from itachi escaped from unscathed.

Prove that bee has the reactions to stop his wild sword style & protect himself before madara blows him away w/ his katon, otherwise he gets one in the face while madara retreats as easily as itachi did.

Him being on the Genjutsu won't paralyze him so he'll still be able to move and use jutsu so this point meaningless.

Again read the manga, he

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w/ sasuke's genjutsu, &

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after itachi's. He gets momentarily paralyzed just like in canon.

Its not going to protect him from Bee dancing around him.

Bee doesn't dance around anything, not when madara is superior to someone who was able to follow his movements & outrun his attacks. Show me bee's speed feats, show me bee blitzing someone by appearing behind them like

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. Bee doesn't have the speed to do that, cut the nonsense, seriously.

And spraying Ink in his face to obstruct his vision.

Precog + katon counters that w/o any trouble, he gets roasted if he attempts to blow any ink considering madara doesn't even need handseals to use it either.

Bee is constantly on the move and his swords raise above Madara head and he can hit them off the other to quick shot him.

:lol Madara takes a step back then bee gets punked. Gunbai blocks any stray shots.

Not really. It is a ninjutsu Madara has to invoke (the weapon doesn't do it automatically) and the power that comes into it is what comes out so a little Raiton chakra on a sword or pencil isn't blowing Bee back at all.

So? Madara activated it before BM naruto could do anything, now unless you believe bee > BM naruto in any category [which would cause me to stop taking you seriously] then bee gets knocked back as well. As for the bold, never remember that being stated, & even if it's true raiton

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so he gets paralyzed, thus allowing madara to [again] blow a katon in his face.

In any case raiton isn't cutting up the gunbai, your main point is moot.

Yes Madara needs feats and I suggest you post them.

Bee needs them more, sorry.

You made a baseless claim that Madara will disarm Bee, a master taijutsu expert and swordsman, who effortlessly disarmed another master swordsman, Suigetsu.

:lol Oh boy... Bee + samehada is slow, doesn't matter how expertly you can wield your own blade. Samehada =///////= bee's blade, therefore saying that bee will prevent someone w/ actual feats of disarming an opponent from doing so is the only thing that's baseless around here. Madara > itachi, itachi evaded samehada w/o even looking at it, bee loses samehada faster than you can say "baseless".

On the other hand, Madara beat up a bunch of fodders, a feat I showed Sasuke did even better with no effort.

Addressed.

If you're going to continue posting what Madara will do, then support it because nothing supports him beating Bee in CqC, disarming him of his weapons, or roasting him with Katon.

I did, now how about you do the same? Haven't seen a single thing that supports bee preventing samehada from getting taken from him, haven't seen bee have the speed while using his sword style to blitz behind anyone, & definitely haven't seen bee have the reactions to block w/ tentacles as madara blitzes behind him to execute a katon.

 

[A v i]

As I said previously & am about to say in my response below, itachi did the same thing that sasuke did & sasuke ended up falling. Itachi didn't allow bee to do the same thing despite being in the exact same situation.

Itachi avoided him from the very beginning where as Sasuke tried to fight him head on and started avoiding him only when he realized that he's no match for him. You're basically saying because Itachi was able to avoid him in a battle Madara can beat Bee which makes 0 sense. It was a defensive move but you need go for offence in order to be able to beat someone so at best you proved that Madara can avoid him by using Itachi as a reference.Not saying Madara can't win ,just point out the fallacy in your logic.

 

[Draphsin]

Itachi avoided him from the very beginning where as Sasuke tried to fight him head on and started avoiding him only when he realized that he's no match for him.

That's wrong,

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exactly what

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in order to avoid bee as I showed last post,

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, itachi didn't.

You're basically saying because Itachi was able to avoid him in a battle Madara can beat Bee which makes 0 sense.

Uhh...Yeah, it kinda does...Since itachi can effortlessly avoid bee's sword style then madara does the same given he's superior. & Madara having the feats to blitz a SM user puts his striking & movement speed above bee's on top of that. Madara can do what ay did to sasuke & shunshin behind him as he's attacking, then counterattack w/ the same speed that knocked SM naruto back.

It was a defensive move but you need go for offence in order to be able to beat someone.

Easily achievable considering madara's footspeed. Point is that bee's best chance at doing anything to madara gets stripped away since he's too fast for bee to touch, therefore he gets avoided.

So at best you proved that Madara can avoid him by using Itachi as a reference.

Which means bee gets punked in cqc...While bee is swinging his blades madara shunshins behind him w/ the speed that managed to catch a SM user off guard & ends it from there.

Not saying Madara can't win ,just point out the fallacy in your logic.

But there isn't a single fallacy here. Minato w/ FTG > Ay in cqc right? Now take away FTG, is minato still going to be > Ay in cqc? Nope. When you're tiers above your opponent in the movement speed department you can compensate for a lack of striking speed, which is literally what minato does.

Madara is above itachi who casually evaded bee's fastest assault in base w/o damage, + he landed a hit on a SM user. That's enough to prove he has the movement/striking speed to ultimately outmaneuver bee if it comes down to cqc.

 

[roncato]

Samehada counters katon. Bee can wrap himself in tentacles to protect himself as well, and any damage from the heat can be healed using Samehada. Hachibi breaks genjutsu. In close combat Bee wrecks Madara who can't keep up with his unorthodox sword movements + Samehada's attacks since he only has 3T precognition.

Killer Bee takes this mid diff.

You seriously think Madara would lose at taijutsu against Bee? Lol I highly doubt it.

I'd say Madara wins this, his ninjutsu attacks are pretty impressive along with taijutsu.

 

[A v i]

That's wrong,

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exactly what

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in order to avoid bee as I showed last post,

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, itachi didn't.

Try looking at Sasuke's hand, he was trying to fight back while avoiding Bee where as only think Itachi was doing is getting away from him as fast as he could. If look at them then you'll be able to see that Itachi was moving very fast where as Sasuke wasn't as he was fighting back whiling avoiding him. Sasuke's movement speed was not even close to being as fast as his speed in general which proves that he wasn't going for complete defence like Itachi did. Again it doesn't really refute the fact that you tried to put Bee below Madara by using a defensive move of Itachi which would hardly make any sense.


Btw, who's that in your ava? It's a bit hard to accept that I am discussing with Drap when his ava isn't an awesome Obito pic.

 

[Draphsin]

Try looking at Sasuke's hand, he was trying to fight back while avoiding Bee where as only think Itachi was doing is getting away from him as fast as he could. If look at them then you'll be able to see that Itachi was moving very fast where as Sasuke wasn't as he was fighting back whiling avoiding him.

That's pretty much a matter of interpretation, in the panel where bee is using his sword style both sasuke & itachi avoided the initial blitz, however where itachi used shunshin to escape the final move sasuke got caught by it. They were both avoiding in those situations based on how they were both backing up.

Sasuke's movement speed was not even close to being as fast as his speed in general which proves that he wasn't going for complete defence like Itachi did.

What? There's nothing proving that sasuke could've avoided bee's sword style like itachi did, that's simply how you interpret it. Itachi had the speed to escape w/ a final jump & sasuke couldn't do that, that's really all those scans show us.

Again it doesn't really refute the fact that you tried to put Bee below Madara by using a defensive move of Itachi which would hardly make any sense.

It does make sense though, because madara is so much faster than bee that such a move won't touch him like it didn't touch itachi. Madara can get behind him w/o him even knowing at first.

Btw, who's that in your ava? It's a bit hard to accept that I am discussing with Drap when his ava isn't an awesome Obito pic.

It's Roy Mustang, from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, if you haven't seen it I recommend you watch it. Great anime. & I decided to switch it up considering I just recently re-watched the series.

 

[New Dawn]

KB mid diff.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

That's pretty much a matter of interpretation, in the panel where bee is using his sword style both sasuke & itachi avoided the initial blitz, however where itachi used shunshin to escape the final move sasuke got caught by it. They were both avoiding in those situations based on how they were both backing up.



What? There's nothing proving that sasuke could've avoided bee's sword style like itachi did, that's simply how you interpret it. Itachi had the speed to escape w/ a final jump & sasuke couldn't do that, that's really all those scans show us.



It does make sense though, because madara is so much faster than bee that such a move won't touch him like it didn't touch itachi. Madara can get behind him w/o him even knowing at first.



It's Roy Mustang, from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, if you haven't seen it I recommend you watch it. Great anime. & I decided to switch it up considering I just recently re-watched the series.

Lets also not forget that Itachi was fighting Hebi Sasuke being almost blind:

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