[Discussion] Kong the strongest WG has to offer?

[KingHashirama]

Well, Spandam was still the leader of cp9 despite being fodder. So that's an example of strength not equating position.

I agree.

You get my point though. They were equals so they're both considered the strongest of their time; lets not get into the trivial specifics. Akainu is probably stronger, though that's irrelevant when comparing him to a deathbed ridden WB. The difference was evident.

Doesn't matter. We know of Garp's strength based off hype alone and cameo feats (crushing 7 mountains with ease, breaking chinjao head, "hero of the marines", more or less = to roger (see earlier scan) etc..

Lol yeah. Even Kuzan is like 50.

That dude would be an exception in the big graph.

- All the pirate crews = leader has to be the strongest
- Revolutionary = Leader is the strongest

I don't see why WG (the people that are opposite of the Revolutionaries , who are all fighters) would be some weaklings.. I mean look at all the people under them, they have the warlords and etc under them also. To have all that under you , and none of them actually question them.. you have to be freaking strong man. That CP guy was getting stepped on by his own group, and in the end the one who lead them is Lucy aka the strongest of them.

Yes, but Roger wasn't even the strongest of his time, and for all we know Kong and Roger probably never even fought. I mean simply look at all the VA that haven't fought luffy, but are stronger than Smoker. Garp was simply the guy who kept fighting Roger, doesn't mean hes the strongest marine.

God damn, Oda should've started them off at 40 atmost. They don't even look 50 lol.

Shanks is the youngest top tier in OP.

I wonder how old Kaidou/Dragon/Big mom are.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

meh... whatever the case is, it's safe to say that Kong currently is on high level, Luffy can't match for the time being. Stronger than Doffy too.

 

[KingHashirama]

meh... whatever the case is, it's safe to say that Kong currently is on high level, Luffy can't match for the time being. Stronger than Doffy too.

How about predictions on Dragon vs Kong , will it happen or not?

 

[Hexuze]

How about predictions on Dragon vs Kong , will it happen or not?

Ofc it will, he'll protect Mariejois once Dragon makes his move. The fight will be there IMO.

 

[KCN]

That dude would be an exception in the big graph.

- All the pirate crews = leader has to be the strongest
- Revolutionary = Leader is the strongest

I don't see why WG (the people that are opposite of the Revolutionaries , who are all fighters) would be some weaklings.. I mean look at all the people under them, they have the warlords and etc under them also. To have all that under you , and none of them actually question them.. you have to be freaking strong man. That CP guy was getting stepped on by his own group, and in the end the one who lead them is Lucy aka the strongest of them.

Yes, but Roger wasn't even the strongest of his time, and for all we know Kong and Roger probably never even fought. I mean simply look at all the VA that haven't fought luffy, but are stronger than Smoker. Garp was simply the guy who kept fighting Roger, doesn't mean hes the strongest marine.

God damn, Oda should've started them off at 40 atmost. They don't even look 50 lol.



I wonder how old Kaidou/Dragon/Big mom are.

To be honest, we're just going to keep repeating ourselves with no actual evidence. I have no evidence to tell you how strong Kong/Gorosei and neither do you. Lets agree to disagree and simply wait for it to be revealed. I've made my own implications which tell me Roger and Garp are the strongest of their respective fields, and you've made yours.

 

[A v i]

To nearly kil someone countless of times screams equals to me. If you fight someone and the tides change repeatedly, with Garp or Roger getting the upper hand on different occasions what does that tell you?

Trying to kill each other has really nothing to do with being equal. Even Usopp can try to kill Luffy and vice versa but he's actually no match for him. The point of one of them getting upper hand at random times is something you pulled out of nowhere. Only thing that was stated by Roger was that they tried to kill each other. Even Law and Joker share same kind of relation yet they're not necessarily equal to each other.

Not once did I say Garp was the strongest in the world. You're making the mistake of comparing WB and Garp, when i compared garp to roger. Styles makes fights, and we don't know the specifics on all their encounters. Besides at that point, they were both old men way out of their primes. Garp is a straigt brawler who relies on his physical attributes, which evidently worsen with age. A devil fruit remains a devil fruit, regardless of age. WB's power has longer lasting properties so trying to justify a reputation is useless when they're both out of their prime.

It's not that I am comparing their strength. I am comparing their respective hypes associated with Roger. If Garp was truly one of two people that can match Roger then Whitebeard wouldn't have been stated to be the only one that could match Roger. Why would Oda bother with making such a claim if he knew that two people can evenly match Roger? They may have different fighting styles but they both did match Roger so Garp should be mentioned along with Whitebeard but it didn't happen.


As I said before Garp might have cornered him and almost killed him when Roger wasn't at his peak and was overtaken by him him later which makes complete sense.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

How about predictions on Dragon vs Kong , will it happen or not?

In the most worst case scenario, I would say Kong will take action, but not this one. I mean Dragon. It would take two admirals to take Dragon down. Much of an exaggerate? Maybe, but look at Sabo, and he's only 2nd in command. Makes you wonder if Dragon stronger than Sabo. Kong would be saved for a World War at the end of the series. the guy didn't show up at Marineford, and from the look of things, he seems to be very close to Gorosei in terms of ranks and job friendship.

 

[KingHashirama]

In the most worst case scenario, I would say Kong will take action, but not this one. I mean Dragon. It would take two admirals to take Dragon down. Much of an exaggerate? Maybe, but look at Sabo, and he's only 2nd in command. Makes you wonder if Dragon stronger than Sabo. Kong would be saved for a World War at the end of the series. the guy didn't show up at Marineford, and from the look of things, he seems to be very close to Gorosei in terms of ranks and job friendship.

But i think Dragon wont be making a move until Luffy is Pirate King.

Ofc it will, he'll protect Mariejois once Dragon makes his move. The fight will be there IMO.

*_* hopefully its done good. But then Kkong id like 70 or summin. While Dragon is probably in his 40s. x-x.

 

[KCN]

Trying to kill each other has really nothing to do with being equal. Even Usopp can try to kill Luffy and vice versa but he's actually no match for him. The point of one of them getting upper hand at random times is something you pulled out of nowhere. Only thing that was stated by Roger was that they tried to kill each other. Even Law and Joker share same kind of relation yet they're not necessarily equal to each other.



It's not that I am comparing their strength. I am comparing their respective hypes associated with Roger. If Garp was truly one of two people that can match Roger then Whitebeard wouldn't have been stated to be the only one that could match Roger. Why would Oda bother with making such a claim if he knew that two people can evenly match Roger? They may have different fighting styles but they both did matched Roger so Garo should be mentioned along with Whitebeard but it didn't happen.


As I said before Garp might have cornered him and almost killed him when Roger wasn't at his peak and was overtaken by him him later which makes complete sense.

What are you talking about? Read the scan again [

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]. It says they have nearly killed each other countless of times, not tried to. That usopp/luffy analogy is off, bro. Like I said, if they've met all those times in the sea, and they've both nearly died as a result of all their numerous encounters (meaning there're no flukes or one off upper hand victories for Garp, he can actually equal him), what does that tell you? It's literally all their in the scan. If Roger is actually stronger than him, then he'd win everytime. Even though it'd be extreme diff, he'd still win everytime due to being partially stronger as you're suggesting.

You're talking to me about hype. I'm talking to you based off Roger's own words.

That's your opinion.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

But i think Dragon wont be making a move until Luffy is Pirate King.

Becoming a Pirate King whether it's going to be Oda's last scene/panel or there are much up ahead for Luffy as a Pirate King to do. What I'm afraid of is that Oda if he said something he sticks to his word. I don't think after the manga ends we'll see movies Luffy as Pirate King. Like Dragon Ball. Or is Toriyama still have much for Goku until 12th universe?

It's not clear at Luffy's case. Are there more adventures after he becomes a Pirate King? Or Oda will illustrate the fitting end of the last Pirate King that the era of piracy will end with him?

 

[KCN]

Actually I'll concede that point. Just remembered it was Buggy who said WB was the only man who tied Roger, and he was present on Roger's ship so his statement is more or less fact. Besides even if Roger did win extreme diff against Garp, that could still mean Roger nearly died (Zoro vs Mr.1). So yeah, I'll concede that point.

 

[Bogard]

It was said garp was only two men who could fight equally against Roger. It does make sense if you consider Garps rep; "hero of the marines" and all that.

1- Buggy said only WB could equally fight with Roger and he has been in Roger's ship until the day he died
2- WB got the title of WSM right after Roger's death. It would not have been possible if Garp was truly equal to Roger
3- Even after being old and sick 22years later, Garp's own friend and marine superior(Sengoku) acknowledged WB as the strongest
4- Kong said the previous era was WB's despite WB being old and sick(so much weaker than before)

No matter how you look at it, that vague statement from Roger doesn't make sense at all if Garp was truly equal to him. It could make sense though if Roger was talking about his younger days, that in the past they were so close in power that they could nearly kill each other, but with time, Roger surpassed him. It could also make sense if Garp was having the superiority in military forces like Shiki was doing in chapter0 to having the capability to corner him strategically. We know Roger was as reckless as Luffy and with someone as strategical as Sengoku alongside him, it's not really impossible, but it definitely doesn't make sense at all to think that Garp was equal to Prime Roger in strength when you look back to it

 

[KCN]

1- Buggy said only WB could equally fight with Roger and he has been in Roger's ship until the day he died
2- WB got the title of WSM right after Roger's death. It would not have been possible if Garp was truly equal to Roger
3- Even after being old and sick 22years later, Garp's own friend and marine superior(Sengoku) acknowledged WB as the strongest
4- Kong said the previous era was WB's despite WB being old and sick(so much weaker than before)

No matter how you look at it, that vague statement from Roger doesn't make sense at all if Garp was truly equal to him. It could make sense though if Roger was talking about his younger days, that in the past they were so close in power that they could nearly kill each other, but with time, Roger surpassed him. It could also make sense if Garp was having the superiority in military forces like Shiki was doing in chapter0 to having the capability to corner him strategically. We know Roger was as reckless as Luffy and with someone as strategical as Sengoku alongside him, it's not really impossible, but it definitely doesn't make sense at all to think that Garp was equal to Prime Roger in strength when you look back to it

Yeah i already conceded that point.

 

[ssjelf]

Well you have to understand that Kong was Fleet Admiral before Sengoku. therefore Kong was stronger back then. But then he was presumably promotes and sengoku took his place, and then he steped down and akainu took his place. So He is actually a bit older than Garp even and is long past his prime. With that said though i have no doubt he is incredibly powerful because he still holds the Commander in Chief title which should be filled by someone who is stronger than the Fleet admiral, or at least much more experienced and therefore has an edge. I'm not sure if Akainu would be stronger than him or not but I imagine he is in the same tier.

For comparison see whitebeard who's destructive power was off the charts and he could solo anyone at marineford but his age cought up to him. So I imagine Kong is quite the same in the sense that he would be very powerful for a short time before losing stamina, kinda like a master roshi. I dont think we will ever get a direct comparison between him and akainu because kongs role will be more likely fending off other fighters like dragon rather than pirates. I definitely think he is still above admiral level though and can probably fight with the yonko pretty evenly at least for a bit.

 

[KingHashirama]

Becoming a Pirate King whether it's going to be Oda's last scene/panel or there are much up ahead for Luffy as a Pirate King to do. What I'm afraid of is that Oda if he said something he sticks to his word. I don't think after the manga ends we'll see movies Luffy as Pirate King. Like Dragon Ball. Or is Toriyama still have much for Goku until 12th universe?

It's not clear at Luffy's case. Are there more adventures after he becomes a Pirate King? Or Oda will illustrate the fitting end of the last Pirate King that the era of piracy will end with him?

Well, the "great war" is supposed to occur when someone finds the treasure, and if luffy finds it he'll be the Pirate king.

Well you have to understand that Kong was Fleet Admiral before Sengoku. therefore Kong was stronger back then. But then he was presumably promotes and sengoku took his place, and then he steped down and akainu took his place. So He is actually a bit older than Garp even and is long past his prime. With that said though i have no doubt he is incredibly powerful because he still holds the Commander in Chief title which should be filled by someone who is stronger than the Fleet admiral, or at least much more experienced and therefore has an edge. I'm not sure if Akainu would be stronger than him or not but I imagine he is in the same tier.

For comparison see whitebeard who's destructive power was off the charts and he could solo anyone at marineford but his age cought up to him. So I imagine Kong is quite the same in the sense that he would be very powerful for a short time before losing stamina, kinda like a master roshi. I dont think we will ever get a direct comparison between him and akainu because kongs role will be more likely fending off other fighters like dragon rather than pirates. I definitely think he is still above admiral level though and can probably fight with the yonko pretty evenly at least for a bit.

But any admiral can fight a yonkou "evenly" with the exception of whitebeard.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Two commander-in-chiefs cannot exist at the same time, regardless of this: it would be a massive butt-rape curbstomp victory against Dragon.

Kong might very well be the strongest, we have no way of knowing yet

WG Match ups:

Dragon vs Kong
Luffy vs Sakazuki
Zoro vs Issho
Sanji vs Borsalino
Sabo vs Ryokugyu

 

[A v i]

Actually I'll concede that point. Just remembered it was Buggy who said WB was the only man who tied Roger, and he was present on Roger's ship so his statement is more or less fact. Besides even if Roger did win extreme diff against Garp, that could still mean Roger nearly died (Zoro vs Mr.1). So yeah, I'll concede that point.

That's what I was saying. He was very close match which is why he came closer to nearly killing him but not an equal like Whitebeard. I don't think any of them ever won a match. You see in most cases battles b/w pirates and marines won't last until the very end because various kinds of interruptions such as Garp getting more back up from marines which would lead Roger's crew to retreat or Roger's crew holding him back etc.

 

[Olorin]

I think the 4 strongest that the wgvhave to offer (gorosei excluded) are Garp, Sengoku, Kong and Akainu, all should be in the same tier

 

[IPulseZz]

Garp

IMO I think he was the strongest at the marineford war, shame he was held back throughout it...

 

[kageking]

It's possible that Kong and the Gorosei are actually more powerful than the admirals...but I don't see how, if they were, they would allow the existence of yonkou, the revolutionariez and for Roger to become pirate king. If they are stronger than Garp (who was = to roger) why not simply defeat Roger and show the world government is the supreme power and probably avoid the great pirate age from happening at all.
To me it's illogical. However it may be possible that they are only willing to fight to protect an ultimate secret or something (the void century, one piece who knows) and that once Luffy gets that far they will be forced to fight him. That still seems strange to me cos why wouldnt they use their power to avoid that happening in the first place, act preemptively instead of retroactively. I guess well wait and see then...but with the pace of this Dressrosa arc the wait is gonna be hella long...