T_T CONFLICT RESOLUTION THREAD ;_;
;_; If you should ever need this here it is. Try the vm's first (without insults) and then let the orange be the orange. Lets try not to use this too much...and plz keep the pettiness at a minimum as im sure their might be some small mistakes we can look over. >_>
Conflict rezo-[war of generations]
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First of all, Yashiro and I discussed this issue and thought it'd be beneficial to have a formal ruling for the future. Since this is a critical aspect of Obito's abilities we wanted clarification. We are both cool with continuing if that is the ruling.
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Alright, so summation of the moves in question:
I use my CW to attack him directly. My CW can shape-shift so, Universe, (my CW) changes into a cheetah and tries to attack Yashiro (Obito). Yashiro phases through Universe in order to bypass her and then attack me directly. Yashiro also states that he remains intangible until he physically touches me. On my next move, Universe, transforms into a jellyfish and attacks him from behind with her tentacles after he phases through her. At the same time, I (Casshern) use a sound genjutsu in order to stop Obito. This is where the issue unfolds:
1. We disagree on the mechanics behind Obito's phasing ability. I believe his phasing works only when he comes in contact with an object. When the object overlaps his body, he transports said body parts to the other dimension in order to evade attack. I do not believe Obito can remain indefinitely intangible whenever he wishes. This ability only is used at the moment of connection between him and an object. He cannot continually make himself intangible if nothing is making contact with him. If nothing makes contact with his body, he is still within the real world and not in the other dimension. If in the real world, he is susceptible to genjutsu (since it is not a physical attack which he can track and react to by phasing) even if partially phased.
2. Because I feel the way I do about the first point, I believe Obito is susceptible to genjutsu even when phased (although I do not believe he can be phased indefinitely as stated within my first point). In my move, Universe initially attacks Obito around the neck level. He has already phased through her by the time I use my sound genjutsu. Universe's tentacles continuously whip through his chest and below from behind. Because Obito's head is still intact and not in the other dimension, he is still able to hear word FADED. Because he can hear the genjutsu, it takes place. The sound genjutsu should connect, incapacitating Obito since he did not defend from it within his next move. Even escaping fully to the other dimension is not enough because he does not release the genjutsu initially. It would still be within his system.
So issues that need to be decided upon:
1. Can Obito be indefinitely intangible even without an object touching him, thereby making him immune to anything/everything including genjutsu?
2. If the above is true, how can he not be affected by genjutsu if his body is still within the real world?
3. Is Obito susceptible to genjutsu while phased if his head is still within the real world?
Convo with Reborn over the subject just for reference:
I'm going to say this
[12:44:09 AM] Kevin: genjutsu chakra
[12:44:16 AM] Kevin: by which I mean normal genjutsu
[12:44:28 AM] Kevin: enters through the head and affects the rest of the chakra system
[12:44:37 AM] Kevin: if Obito's head intact
[12:44:45 AM] Kevin: meaning it's still on the plain
[12:44:50 AM] Kevin: it can capture him in genjutsu
[12:45:09 AM] Kevin: if the head is not there, the genjutsu shouldn't be able to enter the body
[12:44:09 AM] Kevin: genjutsu chakra
[12:44:16 AM] Kevin: by which I mean normal genjutsu
[12:44:28 AM] Kevin: enters through the head and affects the rest of the chakra system
[12:44:37 AM] Kevin: if Obito's head intact
[12:44:45 AM] Kevin: meaning it's still on the plain
[12:44:50 AM] Kevin: it can capture him in genjutsu
[12:45:09 AM] Kevin: if the head is not there, the genjutsu shouldn't be able to enter the body
if part of your body is gone
[12:54:55 AM] Kevin: but not all of it
[12:55:09 AM] Kevin: what remains can be detected and can be hurt by things
[12:55:19 AM] Kevin: but as genjutsu is
[12:55:30 AM] Kevin: the gateway is the brain
[12:55:39 AM] Kevin: and from the brain the rest of the chakra is disrupted
[12:56:02 AM] Kevin: so if the head is still in the physical plain you're gucci
[12:56:16 AM] Kevin: likewise even if a part of the head is still there
[12:56:23 AM] Kevin: you can cast it but if the whole head is gone
[12:56:27 AM] Kevin: from the plain
[12:56:30 AM] Kevin: ordinary gen will not work
[12:54:55 AM] Kevin: but not all of it
[12:55:09 AM] Kevin: what remains can be detected and can be hurt by things
[12:55:19 AM] Kevin: but as genjutsu is
[12:55:30 AM] Kevin: the gateway is the brain
[12:55:39 AM] Kevin: and from the brain the rest of the chakra is disrupted
[12:56:02 AM] Kevin: so if the head is still in the physical plain you're gucci
[12:56:16 AM] Kevin: likewise even if a part of the head is still there
[12:56:23 AM] Kevin: you can cast it but if the whole head is gone
[12:56:27 AM] Kevin: from the plain
[12:56:30 AM] Kevin: ordinary gen will not work
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• A detailed explanation of the problem(Counter Argument): 1. I have been using Obito for quite a while now and studied his phasing ability in the Anime as well. I may be wrong on this but I am fully under the impression that he is able to phase his entire body, having his entire body within the other dimension whilst still appearing to be fully there within the regular world/dimension. It is mentioned on Obito's narutowiki page that he is able to maintain his phasing formation for 5 minutes at most. As well as within the technique's description, it says he could render "himself" intangible then makes mention of his body parts afterwards, he is also able to sustain this phasing ability for several turns. Obito would never have things constantly phasing through his body but is able to maintain his phasing ability for several turns? It is unclear but we shall find out soon, I guess.
2. Now to the fight in question and my views of it based on the above point; What I have done is phase my entire body to the other dimension upon passing through Universe in cheetah form as she attacks, aiming to bite Obito in the neck region. From my point of view, it could have been an attempt to chomp my entire head off as well. Thus I phased my entire body to the other dimension and sustained said phase until contact was made with Casshern. In the following turn, no contact was made with Casshern yet so I naturally remained phased as per my previous move. Adding to it the fact that Universe transforms into a jellyfish and attacks from behind continuously, along with its tentacles slashing through his chest and lower with other tentacles hovering all around my body, thus I would remain phasing my entire body to prevent getting hit. As Casshern casts the gen and retreats, I drop into the ground, still phasing, and re-appear directly before him to then attack again.
I do indeed believe that Obito is capable of falling victim to genjutsu when not completely phased and his head/brain is still within this existence. Thus I phased my entire body, moving under the impression that it is allowed.
PS: Can we please have someone who knows Obito's abilities fully as well as have experience in genjutsu to have a look at this and give full clarification on it all, if it's not to much to ask. Thanks.