Uzumaki Macho
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Him putting Marco above Teach, Magellan above Sabo, and a bunch of featless VAs above Luffy is also very disturbing.
[Discussion] Nothing wrong with this list IMO
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I meant to put Burgess above Doffy haha
I'm not saying anything about Zoro and Sanji. I'm saying that EOS The M3 will fight the other M3
Considering how close in power the M3 is, surely Burgess is extremely close to Shiliew in the same way Sanji is to Zoro.
He thinks Zoro is stronger than them, clearly
fap fap fapYou're only saying that because you hate Croco-boy, you can't deny he's a strong AF character, check my other thread
Yeah... You think Magellan is weak?
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Featless VA's? Guess you've skipped over the entire MF arc... they're the VA's that were posted to Marineford and therefore the strongest VA's
Teach gets trounced by the Admirals right now. Marco pushes them to high diff
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Uzumaki Macho
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Teach was being careless. Did you miss the part where Luffy had him on his knees after Jet Bazooka? All VAs that could reach MF on time were ordered to go to MF. A Yonko first mate isn't beating a Yonko.Did I? Whoops
I meant to put Burgess above Doffy haha
I'm not saying anything about Zoro and Sanji. I'm saying that EOS The M3 will fight the other M3
Considering how close in power the M3 is, surely Burgess is extremely close to Shiliew in the same way Sanji is to Zoro.
He thinks Zoro is stronger than them, clearly
You're only saying that because you hate Croco-boy, you can't deny he's a strong AF character, check my other thread
Yeah... You think Magellan is weak?
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Featless VA's? Guess you've skipped over the entire MF arc... they're the VA's that were posted to Marineford and therefore the strongest VA's
Teach gets trounced by the Admirals right now. Marco pushes them to high diff
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Stop being presumptuous, I'm a fan of Crocodile. That doesn't stop me from knowing that if a pre-skip, pre-gear Luffy can beat him, then anyone worth their salt in the NW can. Yes, he has had feats in Marineford that one wouldn't have expected from him based on Alabasta, but the fact remains that Alabasta Luffy had what it takes overwhelm Crocodile. That means someone at Luffy's level in Alabasta can keep up with Crocodile in physical strength and speed, and damage him enough to defeat him.Did I? Whoops
I meant to put Burgess above Doffy haha
I'm not saying anything about Zoro and Sanji. I'm saying that EOS The M3 will fight the other M3
Considering how close in power the M3 is, surely Burgess is extremely close to Shiliew in the same way Sanji is to Zoro.
He thinks Zoro is stronger than them, clearly
You're only saying that because you hate Croco-boy, you can't deny he's a strong AF character, check my other thread
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You're always anti-Crocodile in threads though.
The feats in Marineford show he was heavily nerfed so Luffy could beat him. There's no way in hell Crocodile powered up while being starved in Level 6 of Impel Down. The very premise of being on Level 6 of Impel Down proves he's far stronger than was originally portrayed. He's portrayed greater feats of endurance and defense, most probably feats of both Kenbunshoku and Busoshoku Haki. His ranged attacks could reach several hundred meters away and his attacks that he showed in Impel Down would've oneshotted Luffy many times over.
He was definitely undermined. How does this work: Base Alabasta Luffy can hurt Crocodile and send him flying but Jozu (with Haki and Diamond) can only hurt him to a limited extent from two attacks in a row. HOW does that happen!?
If we base our lists on how strong characters are, surely the most recent portrayal would be the most accurate one to go by instead of an arc made over 12 years ago when Oda was still planning on making the manga no more than 500 chapters in length, which, distorted the proportions of strength of the characters involved.
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Yeah lets just ignore the fact that Oda emphasized them both being injured and Luffy has completely dominated Doffy. He's not giving him shit, he hasn't even inflicted minor damage to G4. In fact Its going to take a freaking time limit for Doffy to even make a comeback.
Its clear to any one who isn't a fanboy that G4 is > Doffy. G4s doing to DD what a Healthy Doffy should do to a weakened version of himself.
The time limit was stated for a reason. Doffy ain't making a comeback until G4 runs out and even still he's going to lose to a Luffy using only g2/g3 while DDs going to be in his ultimate form.
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Poor Luffy, being transported everywhere by Ucy and only having one cut throughout the entire arc before he fought Doffy, such a great injury must be as life threatening as Doffys
Did you know that if your internal organs get cut in half you'll start dying? Doflamingo is dying. Do you really think Luffy can neg Law three times in a row without difficulty WHILE on the Den Den Mushi talking to his crew? Nah. Don't think so.
Love how you changed the subject because you know I'm right
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Right Burgess is probably really close to Shiliew but they're not close to BB. BB/Luffy Sanji-Zoro/Shiliew-Burgess. So by saying Burgess>Doffy that's equivalent of Zoro>Doffy or Sanji>Doffy or even Shiliew>Doffy. I just don't see it, I find it very hard to picture any crewman beating a captain of a high tier rival fleet. I also don't think Burgess could beat Law. If Burgess>Doffy then Burgess>Luffy because Luffy had a lot of help going into this fight and it's not as big of a thrashing as I think a lot of people expected. Until I see more from Burgess, Law/Luffy/Doffy/Kuma/Magellan>Burgess.
Now granted, obviously at EOS Burgess will be stronger than Doffy here in Dressrosa but is he currently stronger than him I don't see it. Will Doffy get any stronger by the end of the series? Time will tell and if he grows relative to everyone else, i.e. nobody grows further than another, he'll still be stronger.
I told ya man, people love to hold on to those pre-skip defeats like they actually mean something more than the depiction of the character. Obviously Alabasta Luffy couldn't fight Jozu or stop an attack from Mihawk yet people think Croc's shit despite being able to do these things. It's like they think the title of shichibukai is given out for nothing within OP World. By that logic Vegeta in Saiyan Ape mode is weaker than Yajorobi forever because he got his tail cut off by him once.
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Burgess was fodder to Ace according to Blackbeard(someone Blackbeard defeated mid-high difficulty), so Burgess wasn't even close to his captain in strength and i have no reason to believe that someone who got another powerful devil fruit on top of it would have less growth rate than someone who never got a devil fruit over the timeskip, especially when they followed the same adventure and more than likely Blackbeard became much more adept with both his devil fruits, so more than likely Burgess remains fodder to Blackbeard after the timeskip
On the other side, Shiliew was Magellan's equal(someone who low-diffed the entire Blackbeard pirates, albeit off-guard, but you get the point), so it's very likely that Shiliew was stronger than the Blackbeard pirates(including the captain) at the very least until he obtained the Gura Fruit(so Burgess fodder to him too) and considering they followed the same adventure with Shiliew apparently still not being properly integrated in the crew(more like an ally considering Blackbeard said he wasn't fully trusting him), it's safe to assume that Burgess is still fodder to him post-timeskip
On the other side, Shiliew was Magellan's equal(someone who low-diffed the entire Blackbeard pirates, albeit off-guard, but you get the point), so it's very likely that Shiliew was stronger than the Blackbeard pirates(including the captain) at the very least until he obtained the Gura Fruit(so Burgess fodder to him too) and considering they followed the same adventure with Shiliew apparently still not being properly integrated in the crew(more like an ally considering Blackbeard said he wasn't fully trusting him), it's safe to assume that Burgess is still fodder to him post-timeskip
Uzumaki Macho
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Croc was getting massacred by Jozu until Doflamingo saved Croc so idk why you brought that up. Mihawk blocked Croc, not the other way around. Even if Croc blocked Mihawk, Daz was able to block a slash from Mihawk too, and Daz was much weaker than MF Luffy.
Changed what subject? I merely added on and said Luffy was injured too. I like how you ignore the issue with Bellamy and the fights at the coliseum and his short skirmish with Mingo though.
I like how you ignore that G4 completely dominated DD too. Mingo couldn't even touch him with his awakening.
I also like how you have a bunch of featless VAs on your list who had worser performances than Croc but yet their ahead of all the SNs and your buddy Croc who did much more than them though.
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Luffy above Doffy? Do you people not realize that he is dying? His organs were ripped to shreds and you're trying to compare Luffy's damage to his? And to all those spouting nonsense like "Doffy is getting dominated though" a disabled 3rd grader could kick your ass if all of your internal organs were torn. And is everyone forgetting Law getting completely negged by Doffy while he was on his Den Den Mushi? This Gear 4th hype is freaking ridiculous.
What has DD possibly indicated that would put him above a healthy G4 Luffy? His strength didn't magically change because his health did. His awakening which only requires his fingers failed to even touch Luffy, he got kicked in the face by rhino Schneider but his face isn't what's injured its his gut. He blocked Kong gun, still got hurt. The only attack that's even hit his gut was Leo bazooka which seems to have nearly did doffy in. There is no gear 4 wank only underestimation because its Luffy that's doing this.
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Repairing ur self doesn't take off the pain...doesn't matter how strong u r u cannot train ur internal organs they r the most vulnerable part of ur body....