Even I say that Pain so far is still stronger than Naruto with Sage Mode and Sasuke though haven't seen him with the EMS but still Nagato was weakened, couldn't use God Realm plus he changed his mind in the end so ya its pretty much sure Pain is stronger than Naruto and I also think stronger than Sasuke. But what's up with you, you a Naruto hater? I can just say and look man Naruto is the way he is, he has changed people yes because he is the MAIN character. If you say stuffs about Naruto why don't you say things about Sasuke. People say the Kyuubi is a gift and so is the Sharingan. I will admit that during the 3 years with Orochimaru Sasuke became a hell lot stronger but after that he just got free powers without working for it. Plus he got free upgrades whenever it looked like he is outta chakra. But this is just the way this manga is. And you also said that Kishi an idiot, so don't read the manga anymore or better make one yourself that sounds easy doesn't it. So stop whining about Naruto's personality, its just the way he is and that's why this manga is so popular.
