Narutohokage324
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The Kaguya that gave birth to Hagoromo and Hamura is only Kaguya. She only became the Juubi when she merged with the Shinju. .
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Does Naruto still have 6th paths sage mode
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Thats what i was thinking. Now when naruto and sasuke jutsu clashed with eachother they didnt blow eachothers "sealing arm" off did they? forgive me im lazy and dont feel likegoing back to read the manga right now lol
Perhaps I am slipping, but the chakra obito took from madara was meager and yet he was able to create a TSB. Naruto by logic should have more rikudo chakra and bijuu chakra than obito. Yet you say he still can't use TSB? This is why I said using TSB as a sign of having RSM isn't a good idea.
The SA weren't given chakra permanently, the process is different. What the bijuu did for naruto is the same as what hogoromo did for humanity. What naruto did for the SA, K11, etc, was the same as what sakura did for obito simple chakra sharing.
Thought u said u were done
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The Fruit contains the power of the tree. (Shinju/ Juubi)
That chakra was all the chakra in the world and when Kaguya had children those children gained part of her chakra.
The Shinju can not move without Kaguya's chakra. (Kaguya able to manipulate the tree)
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The tree without chakra. (it doesn't move)
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Even if Kaguya did merge with Shinjuu it would only give her a different form. All of the chakra was already hers.
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I said I was done talking about the Rinnegan/KCM crap.Thought u said u were done
(lets go back from the beginning)
The Fruit contains the power of the tree. (Shinju/ Juubi)
That chakra was all the chakra in the world and when Kaguya had children those children gained part of her chakra.
The Shinju can not move without Kaguya's chakra. (Kaguya able to manipulate the tree)
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The tree without chakra. (it doesn't move)
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Even if Kaguya did merge with Shinjuu it would only give her a different form. All of the chakra was already hers.
Sigh.
Kaguya ate the fruit
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Kaguya birthed her two sons
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Kaguya merged with the Juubi/Shinju Tree to take back the chakra was taken from her via Hagoromo/Hamura through birth
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Which *refer back to scan 2* was when they fought the Juubi, which in turn sealed Kaguya.
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Naruto just has less now then what Obito was able to procure from Madara. (The chakra Obito took was rikudou senjutsu chakra) That chakra already has the power of all 9 bijuu.
There is a difference between Rikudou chakra and rikudou senjutsu chakra. Hagoromo gave NAruto and Sasuke both Rikudou chakra. Sasuke in his eye and left hand. Naruto in his body and right arm. This chakra gave Naruto the ability to go RM and utilize the bijuu chakra that he had acquired.
If the bijuu chakra that Naruto had depleted then that would mean that he still has the rikudou chakra given to him, and it is possible that he can use that and nature energy to substitute for Rikudou senjutsu chakra. That is how he was able to use BDRS and OFRS against Sasuke at VoTE2
It could be with just the directng of the movie, never know. Like during the "Power" fillers when they didnt want to display naruto going kcm so they half-assed it. Could be the same situation. They didnt want naruto's first time going rsm to be in a movie when they're making us go through filler to wait for it. Its all apart of the plan manOh sorry, I glossed over that
Anyway. Hagoromo was connected to mankind the same way Naruto is connected to the bijuu. Just like the bijuu can use Naruto as a meeting place Hagoromo thanks to his chakra being inside every human can speak with all of them when they die.
That being said none of them has access to rikudou chakra and said chakra doesn't replenish, but it doesnt ever completely vanish either. Much like Naruto the chakra he gave them only serves as a connection. The ppl instead created their own chakra.
For such humility u sir deserve rep
Too bad i cant give it to u. Lol
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U pretty much just proved my point. :|
The shinju doesn't have a will or chakra of its own. That chakra of he tree is contained in the fruit which Kaguya ate. Ergo the Shinju/ Juubi's chakra is her chakra. When Hagoromo and Hamura were born they received pieces of that chakra. Even if Kaguya merged with the Tree to become the Juubi it doesn't change the fact the Hagoromo and Hamura inherited the Juubi's chakra which is Kaguya's chakra
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I have always thought that kind of logic was halfass'd tbh. After all they did show Sasuke's rinnegan. And the movie is to add on to the end of the manga. So y would u worry about spoiling something when the movie itself is supposed to be for those who have finished reading the series
I love the meme though
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No.
The Shinju fruit is something accessible only when eating the Fruit, it is a power of its own, and is not the Juubi itself.
When Kaguya merged with the Juubi/Shinju Tree, Hagoromo and Hamura took her down.
Not really rocket science.
Lol dafaq bro.
The fruit is the Shinju's chakra concentrated into a fruit. The sacred tree doesn't have chakra. When Kaguya combines with the tree she becomes the Juubi. If the tree has no chakra then the chakra for the Juubi must be from Kaguya. So Kaguya's chakra=Juubi chakra which Hagoromo and Hamura have. At least in part :|
I am confused at how u don't get this but we are going to have to end this here
Ok, u guys. I apologize, but I am tired now. How about we cut things off here
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How can naruto have less than obito? Obito took a fraction of the madara's senjutsu chakra + ichibi and hachibi chakra, naruto has his own rikudo senjutsu, kurama(which has more chakra than the other bijuu combined) and bits of the remaining 8 bijuu chakra. There is no way obito would have more than him.
You got it wrong, naruto's RSM came from the sage as said in the DB, it has nothing to do with the bijuu, the rest of the bijuu chakra are just extra. Naruto's RSM is kurama mode + sage mode + hogormo chakra.
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If you don't believe the sacred tree has any power then someone did not read the chapter when Madara absorbed the Shinju Tree.Lol dafaq bro.
The fruit is the Shinju's chakra concentrated into a fruit. The sacred tree doesn't have chakra. When Kaguya combines with the tree she becomes the Juubi. If the tree has no chakra then the chakra for the Juubi must be from Kaguya. So Kaguya's chakra=Juubi chakra which Hagoromo and Hamura have. At least in part :|
I am confused at how u don't get this but we are going to have to end this here
Ok, u guys. I apologize, but I am tired now. How about we cut things off here
No no, this is what you are confused in.
Shinju Fruit + Shinju Tree = Juubi when combined into one.
YOU are the person who is not understanding it. Hell you could literally find this information in the Wiki.
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SenseiSama
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It doesn't make it superior, the only thing Naruto was superior to Hagoromo in was his Yang chakra. But the Juubi has more power than the bijuu chakra Naruto had in possession yet his RSM is as good as JJ Madara's.
The rule about more chakra not making them stronger applied to RSM because the users had the Gedo Mazo but Naruto didn't. The more Kurama chakra Naruto has the stronger he is, but when it concerns RSM it's the amount of Senjutsu he absorbs which counts and not the bijuu chakra..
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So by this logic Kakashi must still have Rikodou chakra that Obito shared with him?