Sakura and the Haruno Clan not worth mentioning?

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This pic shows all of Konoha's prominent/relevant clan. Guess whos missing. Even the Hatake clan was shown.

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"picture of prominent clans"


Not everyone belongs to a clan nor all clans are detailed. Haruno is probably just a family name it unless they give some details. Seeing Sakura's parents were ordinary genins and not elite shinobies that's more likely. Namikaze seem to be in the same boat- so either just a family name or not much of a clan.


I didn't know dictionaries make a claim like everyone had a clan. Were can we get such a special dictionary- was this encyclopedic edition was released by SJ?
 
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Clan is just another way of saying family. I already posted a link in the thread.
Yea not in Japanese tradition. And Naruto is set mostly in that culture only.

In ancient times, people in Japan were considered the property of the Emperor and their surname reflected the role in the government they served. An example is Ōtomo (大友 'great attendant, companion'). Names would also be given in the recognition of a great achievement and contribution.

Until the Meiji Restoration, Japanese common people (people other than kuge and samurai) had no surnames, and when necessary, used a substitute such as the name of their birthplace. ...... Merchants were named after their stores or brands (for example, Denbei, the owner of Sagamiya, would be Sagamiya Denbei), and farmers were named after their fathers (for example, Isuke, whose father was Genbei, would be "Isuke, son of Genbei")

 
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This pic shows all of Konoha's prominent/relevant clan. Guess whos missing. Even the Hatake clan was shown.

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Also, notice how Sakura seems to have erased her Haruno lineage and completely taken on the identity of an Uchiha.....I mean damn.....she couldn't put up a Haruno symbol or incorporate it into the Uchiha symbol somehow....I know she was desperate for Sasuke's D and is glad to be his "wife", but damn.... it seems a bit overboard to me...almost as if she's trying to compensate for something :rolleyes:
 
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And where was this? Filler. :|
Road to Ninja which was written by Kishi who pretty much kept everyone else's background the same. There are a couple of things in the manga supporting that Sakura is from a ninja family as well.

Yea not in Japanese tradition. And Naruto is set mostly in that culture only.

That link doesn't really show the Japanese definition. Just a list of clans. Unless I overlooked something.

EDIT: Just noticed the edit.
 
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Road to Ninja which was written by Kishi who pretty much kept everyone else same. There are a couple of things supporting that Sakura is from a ninja family as well.
Yeah, no. Road to Ninja isn't canon, at all, whatsoever. Fact is, Sakura's parents weren't ever shown in the manga to be shinobi nor were they stated to be in the databook.
 

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It's not, but it was written by Kishi where he kept everyone's background the same. The fact that Sakura runs around with a symbol and trained to be a ninja at a very young age implies she is from a ninja family.
Source? You are making an assumption and yet claiming it to be a fact so at least provide the authentic link to the statement you are basing on it.

No he hasn't. There would be no reason for her to be a ninja if that was the case.
Why? Since when parents not being in a certain profession means not having a reason to be a ninja.

EDIT: If you're talking about that old interview, that's been confirmed BS. The real reason why her background were never explored was because she was unpopular according to Kishi.
Again source? For:

Sakura's creation is a result of Kishimoto's desire to make a somewhat irritating character who was well-intentioned.[3] Despite these elements, Kishimoto is fond of Sakura, as he feels that many of her personality traits are common among all people, thus giving her a sense of real humanity.[47] When asked in an interview if there is something about Sakura's background that was never revealed, Kishimoto explains that he has never thought of Sakura as she is a "normal girl."
Source : Shonen Jump (Viz Media) 7 (11 #83): 11. November 2009.



So her parents being ordinary nins, even if they are nins, is in line with his interview.

Stated where? And Kishi has written her parents as genin.
Stated where? It makes no difference to me whether they were genins or not- they were still ordinary genins. But where did he write it? I can't remember if it was in the manga.

Besides there are countless nameless or ordinary nins. We don't know which clan Genma belonged to either. He will still be cool. U_U
 
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Hatake clan <3 they seem to be very scarce...but yeah. I remember Kakashi mentioning a 'Haruno clan' back in part 1 Naruto.
After that there was never any focus on her clan, or anything in general when it came to her past besides her and Ino.

Now I'm going to take the Hatake symbol to show it off, ty for the share :cool:
 

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Source? You are making an assumption and yet claiming it to be a fact so at least provide the authentic link to the statement you are basing on it.
Not an assumption at all.




Why? Since when parents not being in a certain profession means not having a reason to be a ninja.
Most of the K11 are ninjas due to it being the family business and Naruto because he wanted to be adknowledged. If Sakura isn't from a ninja family, then what is her reason? Kishi could have easily mentioned it like with Naruto. Unless he did and I just forgot about it.

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Source : Shonen Jump (Viz Media) 7 (11 #83): 11. November 2009.

It was in a recent video interview that TakL translated. Give me moment. I thought you knew about it since you merged the thread on the subject.


Stated where? It makes no difference to me whether they were genins or not- they were still ordinary genins. But where did he write it since I cannot remember a panel in the manga stating this.
Road to Ninja.
 
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Not an assumption at all.






Most of the K11 are ninjas due to it being the family business and Naruto because he wanted to be adknowledged. If Sakura isn't from a ninja family, then what is her reason? Kishi could have easily mentioned it like with Naruto. Unless he did and I just forgot about it.
Ah I didn't notice you were writing about movie. I don't watch movies for Naruto so I keep forgetting about them. But does that really change anything much? Everyone's background isn't the same apart from their parents being nin too.

It was in a recent video interview that TakL translated. Give me moment. I thought you knew about it since you merged the thread on the subject.
No I didn't. I don't remember moderating it either but if I did even then it doesn't mean I checked all the details written in it. And the last time I saw a thread making claims about the manga translations lead the people from other forum come here and deny the claim. So excuse me for not believing such claims at face value.

Thus I still want the link to interview.And I will make my own conclusions basing it on both the interviews. You haven't given me any reason to discard the older interview.


Road to Ninja.
So how her parents being ordinary genins changes the fact that Sakura is still a normal girl? I consider Tenten as a normal girl too. Talented but normal. Neither have any particular background with a baggage to take care of nor any extremely high expectations from their parents or circumstances. There are tons of normal ninjas in the series.

I personally feel that if Sakura was not in team 7 and trying to make a place for herself in the team and to compete with Naruto and Sasuke, she would have not reached the level she did. Their growth inspired her to do more and keep going. Otherwise all that potential would have made her someone like Shizune at the most. Because she would have been satisfied with her progress in any other team. No reason for strive for more for she didn't have any particular ambition growing up initially beyond being a ninja.

What's your definition of normal?
 
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No I didn't. I don't remember moderating it either but if I did even then it doesn't mean I checked the details written in it. And the last time I saw a thread making claims about the manga translations lead the people from other forum come here and deny the claim. So excuse me for not believing such claims at face value.

Thus I still want the link to interview.And I will make my own conclusions basing it on both the interviews.
Here is what he said according to TakL. Which another translate confirmed.

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Its in "Manga Road Kobayashi". Sergeant Dunn posted a link to the video on here. Ask him.

So how them being ordinary genins changes the fact that Sakura is still a normal girl? I consider Tenten as a normal girl too. Talented but normal. Neither have any particular background with a baggage to take care of nor any extremely high expectations from their parents or circumstances.

I personally feel that if Sakura was not in team 7 and trying to make a place for herself in the team and to compete with Naruto and Sasuke, she would have not reached the level she did. Their growth inspired her to do more and keep going. Otherwise all that potential would have made her someone like Shizune. Because she would have been satisfied with her progress in any other team.

What's your definition of normal?
She isn't normal since she thought that being an orphan was awesome. Girl hates her parents with a passion and Kishi never revealed why. That is one of the reasons I found his statement about not having something to reveal about her background to be BS.
 
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I thought Haruno wasn't even a clan in the first place, but just an ordinary family? In the context of the manga, I think the "clans" were just illustrious families with special abilities, not ordinary families.
 

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I thought Haruno wasn't even a clan in the first place, but just an ordinary family? In the context of the manga, I think the "clans" were just illustrious families with special abilities, not ordinary families.
Kakashi's family doesn't have special abilities. Neither does the Sarutobi and Shimura clan.
 

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Here is what he said according to TakL. Which another translate confirmed.

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Its in "Manga Road Kobayashi". Sergeant Dunn posted a link to the video on here. Ask him.
Thanks for the links - But I found the whole interview in naruto wiki

On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).

Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.

Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.

Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine.


Doesn't change the fact that she is normal and Kishi was trying to write a 'realistic' character which he couldn't pull of that well. Kishi doesn't deny the assertion that in the manga she comes of as if from a civilian family. He basically was lost in thoughts..

I think he shouldn't have let such 'fans' affect his writing.

She isn't normal since she thought that being an orphan was awesome.
That's your whole argument? Really? And when and in what context she said that? Link to the panel please?

Girl hates her parents with a passion and Kishi never revealed why. That is one of the reasons I found his statement about not having something to reveal about her background to be BS.
Where in the manga she hates her parents with a passion? Even in the movie it was just a teen throwing a little tantrum for a few moments when not getting her way and in the end she rushes to them.
 
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