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Luffy doesn't operate that way. He literally just lets everyone do as they please and what fits them. They're all on equal standing.
[Discussion] Clash of the Badass "right hand men"
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I thought it was stated that zoro was his first mate, meaning that zoro is luffys right hand man. On a ship, the fist mate is like a second captain, therefore he is his right hand man. According to the wiki, the third databook mentions zoro as being vice-captain like.
OT: I actually want to see zoro vs killer more. I am interested in killers strength as he is the only other non captain supernova.
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Zoro is the first mate. And they aren't on equal standing. Zoro is literally the man in charge after luffy. Idk why people believe they are on an equal standing, because luffy lets them do whatever they want? lol. Rayleigh was still Roger's right hand man, despite him being basically like Luffy.
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It would be interesting to see. ^_^
Those match ups aren't fake.. lol. They are match ups of characters who exist, the anime simply put the people who matched the specific roles.
And even in the manga, he says "its too soon for our fight". << Blackbeard says that.
Databooks aren't written by Oda. Those things are just extra merchandise and just as much canon as a One Piece calender or a Chopper plushie.
In One Piece there are only a handful of first mates, and Zoro isn't one of them. Sounds all nice and dandy when you say that Zoro is the man in charge, but he is incapable to lead. He will be the first one to go in battle and never back down, but that doesn't make you a leader. The last time Zoro influenced the group of sh's to take a different actions probably dates back to Water 7 with the Usopp situation.
When you look at it objectively, the people who always make the big decisions are Nami, Sanji and Robin, they create the plan the rest executes. And Luffy storms off without listening to it.
So in that aspect Riker Slade is right. Luffy treats everybody as equals including himself. Just because he is the captain doesn't make Luffy feel that he is above certain people.
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There are 10 confirmed first mates in One Piece and 4 of which are canon. So this idea of every ship has a first mate is just not true. The Strawhats don't have hierarchy, they thrive on anarchy.
the term right hand man is probably a better choice for Zoro.
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Except that he has been called Luffy's first mate already in the manga which Oda does write.
And the wikia is not a proper source to use as the author doesn't write the wikia, its written and changed by fans of the series.
Edit: Found it, Bart calls Zorro Luffy's vice captain in chapter 723.
And I recall it being mentioned in part 1 when the other supernovas saw him, but I would have to dig through it to find it.
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Zoro is directly under Luffy why? Because he is the strongest after luffy, and he was the first person to join luffy. And he is the only person that luffy actually sought out to join him.
Luffy = lets everyone mess around, because he lets them doesn't mean he can't be a dictator. Roger's crew seems to have had the same thing. And same for Shank's group. At the end of the day, Zoro has more power than anyone else in the ship except luffy. Luffy and Zoro not using their power =/= they don't have it.
You are here talking about the manga.. yet you are using wikia to prove your point?? lol
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(Without having to lie )Also, the guy who has shown unmatched loyalty to the crew (aka not letting Ussop back in without an apology). Sure you can say Robin/nami/usop/sanji/chopper/brook/franky will all die for the crew also.. BUT this dude holds his captain at such a high level, nobody else has shown that. In fact to him his captain's dream is bigger than his own. Anyone else had a moment like that? nope
Zoro and Luffy also share the closest bond out of the strawhats as far as "trust" goes.
The first part of the list has nothing to do with the position of a first mate. The middle part applies to all strawhats and the taking charge never happened.
The closest thing to a decision making vice captain on the ship is Nami. But like I said in my previous post. There is no need for a first mate within a 9 man crew. If for any reason Luffy isn't there, then in the best case there are still 8 people left who all very well know what their role is.
There is no need for someone to shout at the henchmen or tell a division what their next mission is. There is no hierarchy
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It's funny because Nami has given the crew more orders than Zoro ever has. The only instance a substantial decision was given to Zoro was what to do while they traveling on the Sea Train, and Zoro sat down, closed his eyes and basically said "Let's let whatever happens happen."
On the other hand, every time the ship needs to go somewhere, Nami is the one who gives the orders. Storm approaching? Nami gives the orders. Need to change direction? Nami gives the orders.
There's also the fact that Sanji has taken a leadership role before. The Strawhats don't have first mates and right hand men. The hierarchy is Luffy--->Everyone else, and even then, Luffy doesn't see himself as so much above the rest, it doesn't go to his head. Every Strawhat has an equal say in what they do, all of them have a voice on board the ship unless it's something like the moments where Luffy decides to go to an island. For example, in this very arc, Franky was the one who spoke up on helping the Tontottas. Luffy wasn't going to at first, but he listened to Franky, and made the decision to. If anyone thinks Luffy's crew is the type to have a first mate, you either haven't been paying attention to the dynamic Oda has established, or you wish for him to backtrack it just for Zoro, which is just an amazing level of fanboying.
On the other hand, every time the ship needs to go somewhere, Nami is the one who gives the orders. Storm approaching? Nami gives the orders. Need to change direction? Nami gives the orders.
There's also the fact that Sanji has taken a leadership role before. The Strawhats don't have first mates and right hand men. The hierarchy is Luffy--->Everyone else, and even then, Luffy doesn't see himself as so much above the rest, it doesn't go to his head. Every Strawhat has an equal say in what they do, all of them have a voice on board the ship unless it's something like the moments where Luffy decides to go to an island. For example, in this very arc, Franky was the one who spoke up on helping the Tontottas. Luffy wasn't going to at first, but he listened to Franky, and made the decision to. If anyone thinks Luffy's crew is the type to have a first mate, you either haven't been paying attention to the dynamic Oda has established, or you wish for him to backtrack it just for Zoro, which is just an amazing level of fanboying.
Yeah except zoro stepped in to tell everyone else to back down when they were defending usopp. Pretty much what a vice-captain should do.
Oh and as far as the databook goes, i did do some research before I posted that and found that all the carriers off the databook list oda as the author. I found no hard evidence that he was not the author other than people like yourself claiming he isnt. At the very least he has some sort of supervisory role in it. If there is proof out there that he isnt I havent been able to find it. Sorry I dont have insight to all things in the universe oh kind master. Please do enlighten me oh greeat one.
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So now Nami doing her job as a navigator makes her more of a leader than Zoro? Nami warning the crew about the weather isn't being a leader, it's just her doing her job. As far as I'm aware, Sanji has never taken the leadership role when Zoro is around.
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In a sense, yes. That part of my post was an address to what KingHashi said above about Zoro being in charge when Luffy isn't around. Being in charge means to give orders, but Nami has given the crew orders far more times than Zoro has. The only order Zoro has ever given the crew were not to let Usopp in haphazardly, and to let luck decide whether or not a wave kills them. Nami being able to do so because she's a navigator doesn't negate the fact that she's being in a commanding position more times than Zoro has.
And Zoro has never taken leadership of the crew at all.
The databook harms the argument btw. If Oda wrote it, why would he write "vice-captain like?" If Oda wanted Zoro to be the vice-captain, or perceived as such, why not just write "Yeah, he's the vice-captain" instead of "He's like a vice-captain?" Bear in mind, the latter means he isn't, but is just similar to.
no need for sarcasm when you're wrong, makes it only worse.
Databooks are compiled by assistants based on manga, anime, interviews and sbs. They write some padding around it and slap it in a book.
Oda's name is still on the front because it is his damn manga.
Just like I said before, It's no more canon than a One Piece calender. If you look up a One Piece calender Oda's name also is probably on it, doesn't mean he was photoshopping choppers' Christmas hat in December.
Sanji kicked Luffy through a table during the Usopp argument, weeks before Zoro said something about it. How is that for leadership when you kick the captain and tell him to stop doing what he is doing.
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Theres no need to be rude either whether you are right or not. If someone is wrong, prove them wrong, you dont get to be a jerk just because you are right. My research into only yields what i can find on google.
Oh and being that his assistants are the ones who write it, you think they don't have any inside view as to how things work in one piece. Certainly they arent more knowledgable than oda but they are more knowlegable than you or I. What they put in the book is probably based a lot on conversations with oda as well as just summary of the plot. They obviouslyt ask oda the names of characters that are found only in the databooks. They also have to get odas sketched from him. To say that oda has no involvement would be silly. He certainly knows whats put into it. And in the US at least an authors name is not put on a book they had no input into. For instance the star wars expanded universe was once owned by george lucas and his writers, but I never saw them listed as authors on any of the expanded universe books unless they explicitly participated. If their name was on it it was only in thanks or as a based on the SW universe by Lucas.
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I came to this thread to point out that, Shiliew is most likely not BB's first mate. But as I see, there is a debate going on.
Silly people, make threads about the pirates of the old and their links to the OP storyline and then in another thread are just driven by their hate of Zoro.
First mate - The name itself literally means the first person to Join the crew. Is this so difficult to understand?
And I'll provide a manga proof,
Now among the Handful of first mates in the cannon one piece series, give me a proof of this not being the case and the debate ends.
Silly people, make threads about the pirates of the old and their links to the OP storyline and then in another thread are just driven by their hate of Zoro.
First mate - The name itself literally means the first person to Join the crew. Is this so difficult to understand?
And I'll provide a manga proof,
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Now among the Handful of first mates in the cannon one piece series, give me a proof of this not being the case and the debate ends.