Sasuke Or Kakashi?

Naruto X Hunter · May 6, 2015

Solo said:
Then Sasuke mastered Chidori to level beyond Kakashi's understanding.

Sasuke has dislayed more Chidori variations than Kakashi,and mastered Lightning style,even creating his own technique which literally uses Lightning, instead of just turning the users chakra into Lightning.

So yeah.

BenjerminGaye said:
Yes, Oro took him in and experimened on him. Cm1 cm2, resistance to poison, compatability with juugo etc. Half of the stuff he got was through handout and experiments.

Oro gave him cm1/cm2
Itachi gave him ems and ama
Harogomo gave him rikudo chakra and rinne.

Nothing about the above says "prodigy", more like "luckily those stronger than me took interest cuz I'm weak on my own".

Itachi gave Sasuke a one time usage of Amaterasu which could only activate from seeing Tobi's Sharingan.Notice how Sasuke's eye took on the shape of Itachi's for that one time use

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After that whenever Sasuke used it,he had his own MS design.Why? Because he was using his own Amaterasu.

Here's a detailed guide through Sasuke's training,and power-ups.

-He had the best grades in class,skilled in every area

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-At 7/8,Sasuke mastered Fire Style Jutsu on his own

-Graduated at the top of his class

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-At 12 he was able to hold his own against Kakashi,he showed good speed,Taijutsu,Ninja tool usage,strategy,and Ninjutsu - Kakashi was surprised that a Genin even had enough chakra to use Fire Style - Sasuke did at 7/8.

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-At 12/13,Sasuke started using his 2nd Nature Element,lightning Style,and developed it enough to master the Chidori + Lee's High Speed Taijutsu 2 weeks,whereas it took Lee years to attain it.While dealing with the CM,which restricted him.

I say 2 weeks because they had a month to prepare for the finals,and at the beginning of chapter 93,it says,"15 days since the start of training"

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And later in the chapter we see Sasuke meeting up with Kakashi,and Kakashi says,"So...you're finally here."Thus implying Sasuke had shown up for training with their being only 15 days left.

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By 13 Sasuke had learned two nature elements,this especially impressive considering Kakashi said it usually takes years to learn one.

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-By 16 Sasuke mastered the Sharingan

-Mastered the CM which negatively effected him untl he gain perfect control of it

-Mastered lightning style

-Created his own Jutsu,Kirin,which is the strongest Lightning technique that literally uses lightning rather than just changes chakra into it.

-Had great Ninja tool usage

-Great Swordsmenship

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-Mastered Genjutsu

-Mastered Lightning Shape Manipulation

Even using Shape Manipulation which Orochimaru had never seen before.

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All this was before he had MS.Sasuke is the best in his Generation,and one of the best Shinobi in the world even before he awakened MS.

Power ups

Sasuke awakened the Sharingan during the Uchiha massacre,after that he awakened each tomoe in battle,and mastered it through training.

-1 tomoe in each eye

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-Against Haku

2nd tomoe in one eye,

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-Against Lee

2nd tomoe in other eye

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-Against Naruto

Both 3rd tomoe in both eye

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-Curse Mark Stage 1
Fought Orochimaru one one one - Earned Orochimaru's respect - Recieved CM

Sasuke holding his own against Orochimaru

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And setting his face on fire

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Dosu was shocked that Sasuke was even able to get up from it.

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He had to overcome it,and it took away from his own power.He could barely use his chakra and Sharingan cause the CM would start to take over.

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Right before the match in the prelimenaries,the CM got in his way.Sakura knew it was bad and wanted him to quit,but Sasuke never gave up,despite his disadvantage.

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Anko who had the same CM Sasuke has for YEARS said this.

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Sasuke couldn't use his Sharingan during the match or even chakra.

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Even Orochimaru thought he wouldn't win.

Sasuke beat the CM from willpower alone,surprising Kakashi,Anko - who had the same CM for YEARS which still cause her trouble and Orochimaru himself was surprised.

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In yet another life and death battle the CM gets in the way.

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Here's what expeirenced CM users have to say about it.

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-CM Stage 2

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CM Stage 2 still negatively effected Sasuke alot.

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Used it for a few seconds,felt intense pain,and coughed up blood.

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Through training Sasuke mastered the CM.He was able to use it perfectly without any negative side effects.Orochimaru himself even said Sasuke made it his own power.

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-Mangekyo Sharingan

Fought Itachi to the piont where he passed out from exhaustion and awakened it from learning/accepting the truth about Itachi - losing the person he was the closest too.

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-EMS

Gets Itachi's eyes transplanted,rest for a few days.Wakes up - immediately starts training to learn how to use it.

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Even before he even takes the badages off and opens his eyes - damn!

"Shall we test it outside" - Then we don't see Sasuke for 16 full chapters then after that,what do we see?

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We see Sasuke was clearly outside training.

Then he runs into a group of White Zetsu,activates the EMS and practices it through battle.

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Also take note of the fact that EMS is an upgrade of MS,which Sasuke had experience with.

-Rinnegan - Again,learned how to use it in battle,same as MS,and EMS.

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Recap of Sasuke's power ups.

He awakened his 1-3 Tomoe Sharingan stages through battle expeirience,and earned the CM from Orochimaru.

-1 tomoe against Itachi
-2/1 tomoe against Haku
-2 tomoe against Lee
-3 tomoe against Naruto

Then Mastered the Sharingan and CM.Then with MS-Current,he learned how to use his power/techniques near fully through battle,with only training with EMS outside before going into the War.

MS - Amaterasu through the KB fight.Susano'o through the Kage Summit Arc,especially during the Danzo fight.

EMS - tested it out/learned how to use it from using it on Zetsu in the hideout,trained outside,tested it out/learned how to use it on a group of Zetsu then through his battles against Kabuto,Obito,and Madara.

Rinnegan - Teleportation Technique through the battles against Madara and Kaguya,and he clearly got a great understanding of CT from sealing Kaguya,hence using it on the Bijuu.

Futhermore,Kagutsuchi is shape manipulation,Sasuke has Fire manipulation on top of Lightning manipulation.

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Also,during the War,in battle Sasuke was able to adapt his Amaterasu too Naruto's Rasengan in seconds while running,for the first time without ever having used a Rasengan before.

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Sasuke also added in Enton to his Chidori.

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This is especially impressive considering how Kakashi said it normally takes years to learn one element.

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Yet above Sasuke combined two easily at 17.

All of Sasuke's different Fire style,Lightning style,and Enton techniques are a result of different shape manipulations.It took training in order to have such high level Shape Manipulation.[/SPOILER]

Also take a look at what i said to Chie.

Chie said:
All 3 are over wanked. And this thread just seems like a Kakashi fan vs Sasuke fan thread if anything.

When Kakashi mentioned that he thought it was a good time to put Team 7 through the Chuunin Exams, Iruka was against it. Kakashi replied that he became a Chuunin at age 6. Iruka replied that times were different then.

Times were different in that wars were going on. They were putting children through quicker in the system. Even Rin/Obito seemed average or rather on Genin Sakura's/Sasuke's level respectively and were Chuunin by the time they were 12. They needed more fighters and ninja.

The war ended when Itachi was 4- there was no reason for him to graduate from the Academy early at age 7 or become a Chuunin at age 10. He (age 10.5) also joined Anbu earlier than Kakashi (14). My point is that the gap later closed and what was going on as they progressed matters in accordance to graduation times.

You also mention Sasuke's fallacious self-praise in which he states that no genius compares to the Uchiha. This is not true and he was simply trying to boost his own ego in front of Orochimaru there. Otherwise, we wouldn't have only one Uchiha child prodigy mentioned for both intellect and abilities (Itachi) when they were very young, nor would most of the intelligent characters be non-Uchiha (Orochimaru, Kabuto, Minato, Tobirama, Shikamaru, Shikaku, etc).

Either way, I think Kakashi and Itachi are both great child prodigies in their own ways. Sasuke comes after to me and what he receives from the time he is 16 and onward are primarily handouts that any dedicated shinobi which can handle the power would master.

He wasn't saying that to boost his ego.He said that because for the most part it was true.

Here's what Hiruzen,known as The God Of Shinobi,said about Orochimaru.

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And here's what Orochimaru has to say about Sasuke compared to himself.

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We both know Madara was the 2nd strongest Shinobi in history back in his time.Second after only Hashirama.Here's what Tobirama,who knew Madara his whole life had to say about Sasuke compared to him.

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Sasuke didn't have instant mastery over his abilites. The Sage gave him half his chakra,but he didn't give him perfect chakra control which is on his level.

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And no,any Shinobi can't handle the MS,EMS,and Rinnegan.Did you forget how these effect non-Uchiha bodies?

Even Obito said he had difficulty controlling 1 Rinnegan,so having 2 would be overkill for him.

Also Kakashi said it usually takes years to learn Shape Manipulation.

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Yet Sasuke was able to use Enton even better than Itachi.He never had instant mastery over his power ups.He learned to be able to use them so quickly because he is Sasuke, a Genuis Prodigy.

Solo · May 6, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Sasuke has dislayed more Chidori variations than Kakashi,and mastered Lightning style,even creating his own technique which literally uses Lightning, instead of just turning the users chakra into Lightning.

So yeah.

It's funny how people say Sasuke got handouts, but the only thing he got was the Rinnegan Swapping Tech. While Naruto got a shit load of Rasengan variations, that's literally handouts.

But easily forget his accomplishment throughout the manga.

adeshina365 · May 6, 2015

Sasuke.

Naruto X Hunter · May 6, 2015

Solo said:
It's funny how people say Sasuke got handouts, but the only thing he got was the Rinnegan Swapping Tech. While Naruto got a shit load of Rasengan variations, that's literally handouts.

But easily forget his accomplishment throughout the manga.

Lol,i have everything covered.By this point i've already set things up so all i need to do is go to my inbox,pull up a message,copy,and paste.

Take a look above,countering anyone is easy.

Chie · May 6, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Sasuke has dislayed more Chidori variations than Kakashi,and mastered Lightning style,even creating his own technique which literally uses Lightning, instead of just turning the users chakra into Lightning.

So yeah.

Yes. That is what Sasuke chose to focus on. We know this.

He wasn't saying that to boost his ego.He said that because for the most part it was true.

Here's what Hiruzen,known as The God Of Shinobi,said about Orochimaru.

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And here's what Orochimaru has to say about Sasuke compared to himself.

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We both know Madara was the 2nd strongest Shinobi in history back in his time.Second after only Hashirama.Here's what Tobirama,who knew Madara his whole life had to say about Sasuke compared to him.

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Sasuke didn't have instant mastery over his abilites. The Sage gave him half his chakra,but he didn't give him perfect chakra control which is on his level.

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You posted two examples. Of which only one was truly related. One person cannot speak for every single Uchiha.

And yes, Sasuke is a prodigy. I never denied this I just believe Kakashi is above him in raw talent.

And no,any Shinobi can't handle the MS,EMS,and Rinnegan.Did you forget how these effect non-Uchiha bodies?

Never said this.

Even Obito said he had difficulty controlling 1 Rinnegan,so having 2 would be overkill for him.

Also Kakashi said it usually takes years to learn Shape Manipulation.

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Nice work, Sasuke.

Yet Sasuke was able to use Enton even better than Itachi.He never had instant mastery over his power ups.He learned to be able to use them so quickly because he is Sasuke, a Genuis Prodigy.

Enton was Sasuke's own MS tech- Itachi never had it.

You're saying Sasuke is more of a prodigy because he mastered more techniques. He had more opportunity than Kakashi and any Uchiha before him to do so, combined with being the reincarnation of Indra.

He's a prodigy but not better than Kakashi imo. Either way, I'm not replying in this thread anymore.

BenjerminGaye said:
None of what you said disproves my point. Kakashi still on his own merit rose through the ranks faster than anyone else on record.

If that makes you feel better, okay. Either way, I admit he's a prodigy and find his progression impressive since it was faster than that of his teammates and everyone else. I was just bringing up the possibility of different expectations over the times.

@bold: baseless, never was it stated in manga that war accelerated grad rates, seeing as nobody else rose as quick as kakashi did. And we all saw and know who kakashi's class was.Not to mention the fact that u said Obito and rin(as chunin) were around sasuke's and sakura's level, yet in the same post admit to the fact that Sasuke and sakura were taking the very same exams.

It's common sense. Not everything has to be stated.

Kakashi graduated and reached Chuunin faster, Itachi joined Anbu faster. If you still want to use age as an argument.

As for Obito/Rin- that's the point. They were Chuunin whereas the only one to be promoted to Chuunin during Sasuke's/Sakura's generation was Shikamaru. More kids should have been promoted other than him. The standard seems to be higher as years progress or if peace is present. (That's just the way I took it, you are more than free to disagree.)

@underlined.Itachi rose in accordance with his skill, even hiruzen was able to recognize his ability( kage lvl mindset (my ass)) at the young age he was. So that right there is a reason he left/grad early. But it doesn't change him going through ranks slower than kakashi which was the only point yout took it up on yourself to reply to but have yet to disprove.

Glad you admit that.

Kage level mindset only means he was able to perceive things from a less biased standpoint than his clan members did. He actually cared for people outside of his family. Not much else.

No, I did explain why he went through the ranks slower. Or, rather I entertained a possibility.

It's up to you to disagree or agree. Either is fine with me and this isn't too important in the grander scheme of things. ~

@bold/underline: it isn't self praise when the uchiha dropout that is obito, can wage war against the entire shinobi world single handedly. When the single clan is a threat to the entire leaf village. When itachi himself compares part 1 kakashi's skills(known worldwide) to that of an average uchiha.Tbh the only reason they aren't singled out like itachi, is because they have their heads shoved up their but (like itachi said) and squandered their powers.

There were steps Obito had to take to get to that point. He didn't wake up one day with his sharingan and propose it. He took over Akatsuki, gathered beasts, etc. It took years before leading up to the point of proposing war. Also, he just had the most hax MS tech, kamui. MS techs are practically give aways, no one knows what they'll get prior to activating it. This doesn't take raw talent or denote he's a prodigy as an Uchiha. It means he's powerful as an Uchiha.

You mention him being a drop-out, but that drop-out was locked in a cave for a year with nothing to do but listen to an old man's ramblings and train all the time. One year of nothing but serious training and learning will stop someone from being weak.

Itachi was comparing only Kakashi's sharingan usage to an average Uchiha's, but also complimented him on it in the same encounter. Not anything else.

The Uchiha being a major threat to the village doesn't denote they're all prodigies, just that they're powerful. I don't consider these to always go hand in hand. It is easier for an Uchiha to be considered elite. They have the most potential to become powerful (and as a result arrogant). However, I still wouldn't call them all prodigies or geniuses. Such terms go far past just raw power and you admit yourself that they didn't use it well.

tl;dr- I basically agree with most of your post now and did before- I was just bringing up that depending on what one is comparing, it could be either Kakashi or Itachi. And the possibility of the ranking system changing over the years (it's not baseless, it's canon imo u'-'u). And that being an Uchiha does not automatically make you a prodigy or above all, even though it does give a shinobi an advantage and an easier way to get to that point. Both Kakashi and Itachi are prodigies though, so it doesn't really matter if one is above the other imo. I wasn't trying to put down Kakashi or anything, he has plenty of talent. I guess this is most likely my last post in the thread. This was a nice short discussion. ^^

Amberleaf · May 6, 2015

I vote Itachi, he was very skilled from a young age. I seriously believe that if he had something driving him like Sasuke did and hadn't died he would have become one of the most powerful ninja. He had amazing abilities from the start and was a clever fighter too.

Manigold · May 6, 2015

1. Itachi (He became really strong all by himself)
2. Kakashi (He created raikiri when he was a child and show lots of potential becoming a jounin at short age)
3. Sasuke (A prodigy that showed great skills from the beggining, i dont place him in the top because he received a lot of power ups and help from different people to get as strong as he is)

take it easy · May 6, 2015

Better child prodigy ? Kakashi no doubt.

Rohan · May 6, 2015

Itachi and Kakashi are no where near Lord Sasuke.

bains · May 6, 2015

I think Itachi was by far the best child prodigy. He was a anbu blackops before sasuke was barely a genin. He could use the sharigan at a younger age then sasuke. I also think Itachi would have been stronger then sasuke if he got the EMS. Itachi was just more talented then sasuke. Personal opinion though and by no means is Itachi a favorite character of mine. I think kakashi would be second and sasuke third. I don't know, by no means was sasuke truly that strong as a genin. I think Lee was stronger then him during the chunin exams and gaara definitely was stronger then sasuke. Sasuke just improved a lot after training with oro and then fighting Itachi.

Naruto X Hunter · May 6, 2015

Chie said:
Yes. That is what Sasuke chose to focus on. We know this.

You posted two examples. Of which only one was truly related. One person cannot speak for every single Uchiha.

And yes, Sasuke is a prodigy. I never denied this I just believe Kakashi is above him in raw talent.

Never said this.

Nice work, Sasuke.

Enton was Sasuke's own MS tech- Itachi never had it.

You're saying Sasuke is more of a prodigy because he mastered more techniques. He had more opportunity than Kakashi and any Uchiha before him to do so, combined with being the reincarnation of Indra.

He's a prodigy but not better than Kakashi imo. Either way, I'm not replying in this thread anymore.

If that makes you feel better, okay. Either way, I admit he's a prodigy and find his progression impressive since it was faster than that of his teammates and everyone else. I was just bringing up the possibility of different expectations over the times.

It's common sense. Not everything has to be stated.

Kakashi graduated and reached Chuunin faster, Itachi joined Anbu faster. If you still want to use age as an argument.

As for Obito/Rin- that's the point. They were Chuunin whereas the only one to be promoted to Chuunin during Sasuke's/Sakura's generation was Shikamaru. More kids should have been promoted other than him. The standard seems to be higher as years progress or if peace is present. (That's just the way I took it, you are more than free to disagree.)

Glad you admit that.

Kage level mindset only means he was able to perceive things from a less biased standpoint than his clan members did. He actually cared for people outside of his family. Not much else.

No, I did explain why he went through the ranks slower. Or, rather I entertained a possibility. It's up to you to disagree or agree. Either is fine with me and this isn't too important in the grander scheme of things. ~

There were steps Obito had to take to get to that point. He didn't wake up one day with his sharingan and propose it. He took over Akatsuki, gathered beasts, etc. It took years before leading up to the point of proposing war. Also, he just had the most hax MS tech, kamui. MS techs are practically give aways, no one knows what they'll get prior to activating it. This doesn't take raw talent or denote he's a prodigy as an Uchiha. It means he's powerful as an Uchiha.

You mention him being a drop-out, but that drop-out was locked in a cave for a year with nothing to do but listen to an old man's ramblings and train all the time. One year of nothing but serious training and learning will stop someone from being weak.

Itachi was comparing only Kakashi's sharingan usage to an average Uchiha's, but also complimented him on it in the same encounter. Not anything else.

The Uchiha being a major threat to the village doesn't denote they're all prodigies, just that they're powerful. I don't consider these to always go hand in hand. It is easier for an Uchiha to be considered elite. They have the most potential to become powerful (and as a result arrogant). However, I still wouldn't call them all prodigies or geniuses. Such terms go far past just raw power and you admit yourself that they didn't use it well.

tl;dr- I basically agree with most of your post now and did before- I was just bringing up that depending on what one is comparing, it could be either Kakashi or Itachi. And the possibility of the ranking system changing over the years (it's not baseless, it's canon imo u'-'u). And that being an Uchiha does not automatically make you a prodigy or above all, even though it does give a shinobi an advantage and an easier way to get to that point. Both Kakashi and Itachi are prodigies though, so it doesn't really matter if one is above the other imo. I wasn't trying to put down Kakashi or anything, he has plenty of talent. I guess this is most likely my last post in the thread. This was a nice short discussion. ^^

I just checked back,you words were,"Either way, I think Kakashi and Itachi are both great child prodigies in their own ways. Sasuke comes after to me and what he receives from the time he is 16 and onward are primarily handouts that any dedicated shinobi which can handle the power would master."

The thing is it's not proven that anyone outside the Uchiha could handle the MS,besides Kakashi.Itachi was very surprised Kakashi even awoke it. No one besides Madara,and Sasuke ever awoke the EMS,and Nagato was only able to somewhat handle the Rinnegan due to his massive amounts of chakra,still ended up getting the life drained out if him due to summoning the Gedo Mazo for the first time.

My point on the "handouts" was,Sasuke never had instant mastery of them,and learned to use them so quickly because he is Sasuke,a Genuis Prodigy.

Also,Itachi could use Enton.

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Char Aznable · May 6, 2015

^ Itachi didn't have Enton. He only had Amaterasu. Basically spamming black flames. Sasuke could give them shape and form.

shelke · May 6, 2015

What's this talk of Kakashi gaining ranks quickly? It looks like the majority here has never bothered to read the nitty-gritty of the manga when it comes to promotions. War-time or war-like political tension era promotions have been confirmed thrice in the manga; once by Mikoto when Sasuke talked about Itachi gaining ranks quickly and then Minato right at the beginning of Gaiden and Iruka as well right at the beginning of Naruto. Kakashi becoming a Jounin at that age means little or nothing.

I would begin this rather harshly: there is nothing out of the ordinary about Kakashi. His feats speak for themselves. Anyone is more than welcome to name one feat from this ninja that beats out anything Sasuke and Itachi accomplished and at much younger ages?

The answers are wrong to begin with, when the battle is taking place between candidates who are younger than Kakashi by several years, and still their performance is beyond spectacular. How can the balance tilt in his favour? The most decent feat from him would be Obito's technique deciphering and that's what NB only imagined, as Sakura is the one who did the deciphering.

His war time performance was far from decent. At 13 years of age, Sasuke faced much tougher opponents and deduced their abilities quickly than Kakashi did when was a child. Since Kakashi was impressed that Itachi was an Anbu head at 13, one can imagine where he lies. Same is the case with his performance against Zabuza. He knew who he was and still fell prey to his water prison. That says a lot about his deduction capabilities.

For me, it's a toss-up between Sasuke and Itachi. Itachi doesn't have that many feats, so my vote goes to Sasuke. Furthermore, when Orochimaru states that Sasuke was far more intelligent than he was at his age, then that says a lot. Given that according to Hiruzen, Orochimaru was once in a life-time prodigy. I am not sure where these votes for Kakashi are even coming from, when the manga disagrees with you people.

P.s: Did I mention that at mere 17 years of age, Sasuke's Chakra Control is at the Sage's level? Did I also mention that Sasuke learned to use Senjutsu perfectly without training all by himself when he faced Naruto? Glad to see people conjuring up excuses for Kakashi of all the people. The guy had little talent compared to these two. Orochimaru didn't even seem overly interested when he encountered him.

Ambivalence said:
Better child prodigy? Kakashi, easily. Became Jounin at 13 and already had the speed necessary to utilize Chidori, meaning at least Lee-level, and after receiving Obito's 2T Sharingan was already stronger than CE Sasuke, while kid 3T Kakashi can beat CS1 Sasuke as well.

Teenage Sasuke is in another league when it comes to progress, though.

I disagree. War-time or war-like political tension era promotions have been confirmed thrice in the manga; once by Mikoto when Sasuke talked about Itachi gaining ranks quickly and then Minato right at the beginning of Gaiden and Iruka as well right at the beginning of Naruto. Kakashi becoming a Jounin at that age means little or nothing. 3T Kakashi beating 3T Sasuke alone is a fancy dream, let alone Sasuke at CS1 level. That is a completely different ball game.

How was Obito's 2T Sharingan stronger? When it's a manga fact that Sasuke has the strongest Sharingan since Madara?

UzumakiRyu · May 6, 2015

Way I see it is Itachi's childhood feats > Kakashi's childhood feats > Sasuke's childhood feats. This does not take into fact what they achieved when they were teenagers. Then It's Sasuke for obvious reasons.

shelke · May 6, 2015

Ambivalence said:
Sasuke never reacted to Gaara without his Sharingan.

Never said VoTE 1 Sasuke doesn't beat kid Kakashi. CE Sasuke = Chuunin Exam Sasuke, who doesn't have CS2 and a 3T Sharingan. Also, kid Kakashi has a 3T Sharingan [
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And you're right about the Jounin part, I got confused with Itachi's stats.

He didn't. Look closely at the top left image. How many Tomoes do you see in Obito's eye? That's correct, two. The Tomoes increased because the eye is mutating into MS. Obito transplanted 2T Sharingan in Kakashi's eye as he himself died in that state. Kakashi never had 3T Sharingan before this incident.

SatanicGod · May 6, 2015

All these fools forgetting that while Sasuke and Kakashi may have had Jonin level intelligence at a young age.... ITACHI had Kage level intelligence... At 7 years old at that

Ken Kaneki · May 6, 2015

Age should be defined
However without free power ups, it would be Itachi.
He awakened his MS on his own, got Yata and Totsuka at a very young age
Itachi planned free MS and EMS powerups for Sasuke and plot gave him Rinnegan
Kakshi also got his free powerup from Obi to.

DISCOUNTING the free powerups, at similar age in teens it would be
1) Itachi
2) Sasuke
3) Kakashi

Free powerups must be discounted and prodigy does not depend upon free power to increase his skill. Hell even dumbass such as Naruto couldgo toe to toe with Gods with free RSM power up. So if you think Sasuke's MS, EMS or Rinnegan prowess is a sign of being a prodigy, then dumbass Naruto is also a prodigy.

Char Aznable · May 6, 2015

SatanicGod said:
All these fools forgetting that while Sasuke and Kakashi may have had Jonin level intelligence at a young age.... ITACHI had Kage level intelligence... At 7 years old at that

Is that why Danzo was able to manipulate and talk no jutsued Itachi into killing his own clan?

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Pukkake Pokayo · May 6, 2015

DHOH said:
I think kid Kakashi is over rated, yes he created chidori but that was about it.. He only became a jounnin because of the time of war, which was basically mention in the manga. I guess envy body forgets all he did was get save by Minato before he gain the sharingan..

13 year old Sasuke would kick 13 year old Kakashi ass all over the place..

Kakashi needed to get stronger for the war and Sasuke needed to get stronger for revenge.. Sasuke acceleration was twice as fast as Kakashi.

Thanks for the totally unbiased opinion DHOH. Never would have thought you would have supported Sasuke in this one. Can always count on you for complete, balanced, factual answers. Yup, being subjective is too mainstream.
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Ima go with Kakashi, Itachi, Sasuke. Can't really remember the exact age stats. Might swap Itachi with Kakashi. Think he might be getting sympathy votes lel. Not sure how much of a factor Itachi's hokage lvl reasoning is but Sasuke was always compared to him by their father, despite his skills and merits.

(That's childhood only ofc) Sasuke obviously takes it after a certain age due to constant growth and power-ups for his versatile arsenal. Could Itachi do better given Sasuke's conditions and skills/inheritance though? Kakashi capped out pretty early anyway apart from his kamui discovery later on.

UzumakiRyu · May 6, 2015

That big chunk of meat said:
Age should be defined
However without free power ups, it would be Itachi.
He awakened his MS on his own, got Yata and Totsuka at a very young age
Itachi awakened his MS through Shishui who died in order to strengthen his friend therefore it was not awakened solely by himself.
Itachi planned free MS and EMS powerups for Sasuke and plot gave him Rinnegan
Yup always the forward thinker, much like Shishui.
Kakshi also got his free powerup from Obi to.
Sasuke got his powerups from Itachi and he from Shishui.
DISCOUNTING the free powerups, at similar age in teens it would be
1) Itachi
2) Sasuke : I would put Kakashi here simply because from being born to the age of let's say 7-10, Kakashi wins in terms of feats accomplished.
3) Kakashi

Free powerups must be discounted and prodigy does not depend upon free power to increase his skill. Hell even dumbass such as Naruto couldgo toe to toe with Gods with free RSM power up. So if you think Sasuke's MS, EMS or Rinnegan prowess is a sign of being a prodigy, then dumbass Naruto is also a prodigy.

There we go.

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