EMS Sasuke vs Raikages and Mu

[Izanamı.]

3rd & 4th Raikages

Restriction: PS

who wins?

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

team wins

 

[Beans2]

Team wins, Ay isn't needed

 

[DMT]

3rd Raikage, 2nd Tsuchikage and 4th Raikage wins with no to low difficulty

 

[Xlad]

EMS Sasuke should take this at mid-high difficulty. Post is quite sloppy, but hell with it.

- EMS Sasuke without PS=

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or lower.

- MS Sasuke could still

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, even though he could not follow his speed.

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, so he far better chances to track their movements and hit them down with his offense. Ei and Muu aren't guaranteed to survive given how Planetary Rasengan blew holes on Mu and Chidori pierced through Ei. Third Raikage is the only one with great durability. But even he is unlikely to survive against Enton considering its inextinguishable.

- I can't see any sort of offense being landed on him. He can evade and react to incoming attacks before even reaching him. [

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] Especally effective when combining EMS precognition with this speed. This doesn't help that Legged Susanoo itself is very mobile. [

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] This is assuming that

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could be pulled off against Sasuke. But it's best feat was maiming legless V2 Susanoo after

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.

- Without those factors, its safe to say more favor tips in Sasuke's favor. In this case, he also isn't going to play around like Madara did to the Gokages. Instead, he would likely evolve straight into Legged Susanoo, prohibiting chances of them landing attacks. When Madara evolved into

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, those same strategies couldn't work on him. No reason it can't be said for Sasuke either.

- He also has the option of fielding himself with

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. This would increase further risk of inextinguishable burning. Muu won't be considering Jinton is a short-long range attack. However, the further the range, the more likely Sasuke can evade. Muu also doesn't have the speed to evade Amaterasu like Ei.

So Sasuke's way of winning would basically be tracking and reacting to the team's offense. He has more than enough feats to react to incoming attacks. Then he could proceed to attack using his Enton since there I can't see counters against them once they hit.

 

[Unorthodox]

Team wins, Ay isn't needed

please dont tell me your going to come with those same arguments you had in the past

Sasuke wins med diff max

 

[TRE MERCER]

Xlad already solo'ed the thread im just here to put the nails in the coffin.

L0l Beans thought the past Kages could defeat unrestricted Nagato ofc he thinks they win here. Kirin one shots Ei. 3rd Raikage pathetic speed get him covered with Amaterasu/Enton via blade method. Snakes use smell sensing to catch and find Mu and then proceed to take him out.​

 

[Beans2]

please dont tell me your going to come with those same arguments you had in the past

Sasuke wins med diff max

The same arguments that convinced KidGamer65 on that matchup?

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Xlad already solo'ed the thread im just here to put the nails in the coffin.

L0l Beans thought the past Kages could defeat unrestricted Nagato ofc he thinks they win here. Kirin one shots Ei. 3rd Raikage pathetic speed get him covered with Amaterasu/Enton via blade method. Snakes use smell sensing to catch and find Mu and then proceed to take him out.​

Mu lightens 3rd Raikage meaning he's as fast as V2 Ay so he dodges Amaterasu.

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[Beans2]

EMS Sasuke should take this at mid-high difficulty. Post is quite sloppy, but hell with it.

- EMS Sasuke without PS=

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or lower.

- MS Sasuke could still

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, even though he could not follow his speed.

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, so he far better chances to track their movements and hit them down with his offense. Ei and Muu aren't guaranteed to survive given how Planetary Rasengan blew holes on Mu and Chidori pierced through Ei. Third Raikage is the only one with great durability. But even he is unlikely to survive against Enton considering its inextinguishable.

Sasuke's precognition greatly improved from MS to EMS but his jutsu execution speed isn't much faster, without Juugo's senjutsu or a kyubi cloak his Susanoo isn't fast enough to land hits on lightened Raikage. Sasuke's fastest attack is Amaterasu and that was dodged by V2 Ay. Even if Amaterasu was landed on either Raikage, it would take time to burn through them due to their great durability, especially the Third.

- I can't see any sort of offense being landed on him. He can evade and react to incoming attacks before even reaching him. [

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][

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] Especally effective when combining EMS precognition with this speed. This doesn't help that Legged Susanoo itself is very mobile. [

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][

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] This is assuming that

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could be pulled off against Sasuke. But it's best feat was maiming legless V2 Susanoo after

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.

Sure legged Susanoo is fast, but V2 Ay or Lightened Raikage are still faster. After Muu lightens the Third Raikage, he doesn't need to remain in a backpack combo with him since Nukite is a chakra-based piercing attack, not a physical blow that's dependant on Raikage's mass (so Raikage doesn't need to be weighted down for his attack to be effective and can remain lightened.) That being said, Sasuke can't defend against Muu and a lightened Third Raikage at the same time. Jinton and Nukite would both rip through his strongest Susanoo. Muu can go behind a rock or a tree, and prep jinton outside of Sasuke's line of sight so he can't nail him with Amaterasu (Muu still knows where to direct jinton since he can sense.) If Sasuke focuses on Muu and strings a Susanoo arrow to disrupt jinton's prep, he has to stop tracking the lightened Third Raikage leaving him vulnerable to getting blitzed by a Raikage faster than him with Nukite which tears through Susanoo (coating Susanoo with enton doesn't help since Raikage can tank Amaterasu long enough to deliver a killing blow to Sasuke). If he continues tracking the Third Raikage, large scale jinton gets executed and kills him.

- Without those factors, its safe to say more favor tips in Sasuke's favor. In this case, he also isn't going to play around like Madara did to the Gokages. Instead, he would likely evolve straight into Legged Susanoo, prohibiting chances of them landing attacks. When Madara evolved into

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, those same strategies couldn't work on him. No reason it can't be said for Sasuke either.

A legged V3 Susanoo was too durable for lightened Ay to bust. However Third Raikage can still bust it with Nukite.

- He also has the option of fielding himself with

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. This would increase further risk of inextinguishable burning. Muu won't be considering Jinton is a short-long range attack. However, the further the range, the more likely Sasuke can evade. Muu also doesn't have the speed to evade Amaterasu like Ei.

This wouldn't stop the Third Raikage since he can run through it and survive Amaterasu long enough to kill Sasuke before he succumbs to the flames. Sasuke can't actively defend against Raikage if he's focusing on disrupting Muu's jinton prep.

So Sasuke's way of winning would basically be tracking and reacting to the team's offense. He has more than enough feats to react to incoming attacks. Then he could proceed to attack using his Enton since there I can't see counters against them once they hit.

He can track and react to their respective attacks individually, either by disrupting them or defending with Enton Blade. But he can't defend himself from both of their strongest attacks if they use them at the same time, since if he focuses on defending himself from one, the other kills him. Simply a bad matchup because Muu and Raikage both have really powerful offensive techniques. One of them gets killed in the process though, no doubt.

Oh and the 4th Raikage can be useful with providing distractions and stuff.

 

[Haizaki]

Mu and the 3rd would lose. Sasuke can use Amaterasu on Mu instead of the Raikage so it requires Mu's reactions rather the the 3rd.

Plus the fact that Sasuke can track them....His Nukite is extremely linear which leaves him opened for a Genjutsu or a counter from Sasuke

 

[Xlad]

Some ass kissing in here I see.

@BAC2: I'll reply to you in a bit.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Could go either way, I'm torn on the match personally. I can see Sasuke taking it if he's quick enough on the trigger, but I don't see the Third Raikage successfully evading Amaterasu when intending to land a fatal blow or a busting Susano'o attack. Which is essentially GG in some terms, he'll fight certainly but the raiton shroud will now constantly be hounded by Amaterasu on him. Could prove problematic in a length fight. Likewise, Ay is nothing but a minor distraction and Sasuke can realistically ignore his presence most of the battle. Even with Oonoki's aggravated rock technique, a V3 (Or was it V2?)

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overall, with just a single rib cracking.

Muu's function here is to keep the Third Alive, meaning no Jinton. Without Muu, the Third will struggle to really fight back against Sasuke. And even with a full Muu, it's entirely likely that Sasuke would keep a surveillance on the fight and be vigilant for Muu. But what makes me really lean in favor for the Kages is if Muu is prepared to sacrifice half of himself to immobilize Sasuke. From a distance,

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and leave a lightened Third Raikage to attack Sasuke's Susano'o. The only risk here is Sasuke using Amaterasu on Muu quickly enough, and then evading or escaping the finger bang.

If Sasuke can take out Muu in the battle, he's the winner, is essentially my views on it. He's got a certainty to win regardless, but it's less likely. I don't see the Kages winning without some sacrifices being made, either.

 

[Beans2]

Muu's function here is to keep the Third Alive, meaning no Jinton.

What do you mean by that?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

What do you mean by that?

It's likely that he'd be split, it would really only make sense. It gives him more to do, and regardless the best situation involves him lightening the third up. Without that, the Third loses a lot of potential power and certainly fatality on Sasuke.

 

[Beans2]

It's likely that he'd be split, it would really only make sense. It gives him more to do, and regardless the best situation involves him lightening the third up. Without that, the Third loses a lot of potential power and certainly fatality on Sasuke.

Muu only needs to touch the Raikage once to lighten him. After that Muu can do whatever he wants...

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Muu only needs to touch the Raikage once to lighten him. After that Muu can do whatever he wants...

I mean, sure. But I'd assume he'd be attached so he can make every attack more deadly by using the aggravated rock technique. Apologies if I wasn't clear enough before, I'll just relabel it as the back-pack strategy in future posts.

 

[Beans2]

I mean, sure. But I'd assume he'd be attached so he can make every attack more deadly by using the aggravated rock technique. Apologies if I wasn't clear enough before, I'll just relabel it as the back-pack strategy in future posts.

I don't think it would be necessary for Muu to make the Raikage heavy again for him to inflict damage. Nukite is a

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, similar to chidori, not a

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. A physical blow is dependant on the force behind the blow, and increased mass = increased force. But chakra can't be light or heavy, so why would it matter how heavy the Third Raikage is when Nukite can pierce through Susanoo regardless?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I don't think it would be necessary for Muu to make the Raikage heavy again for him to inflict damage. Nukite is a

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, similar to chidori, not a

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. A physical blow is dependant on the force behind the blow, and increased mass = increased force. But chakra can't be light or heavy, so why would it matter how heavy the Third Raikage is when Nukite can pierce through Susanoo regardless?

Eh, I see your point.

 

[ARGUS]

Team Kages win this, mid diff

--sasukes precognition being advanced doesnt change the fact that his susanoo isnt fast enough to evade the llightened raikages nukite, which busts all of his susanoo variants here, and i dont need to establish the fact that there is no difference betweeen lightened or heavier nukite since its a chakra based technique, which beans has already explained,

--amaterasu being sasukes fastest attack was canonically dodged by V2 Ay, and lightened raikage is around the same speed as the former, meaning he evades it too, muu can stay on his back and him being able to sense its built up, not only helps him here, but also keeps the raikages wary of the oncoming attack

--raikages can surround Sasuke, till nukite lands and the next attack finishes sasuke off, raikages staying on the ground and attacking sasuke head on, also allows muu to fly up and prep jinton which allso finishes sasuke off

 

[Haizaki]

How exactly does Mu evade Amaterasu? It spawns where the user wants...Mu can't evade it because Amaterasu doesn't travel like Enton which means the Third won't be seeing it coming.

Plus there's the fact that Sasuke can easily track them since he tracked Juubito. Flight speed isn't even the case when Naruto said he was just beginning to sense Juubito in BSM. KCM Naruto can definitely follow V2 Ay via sensing alone let alone them being able to escape Sasuke's eyesight. No way Hell Stab is going to touch Sasuke without this guy being hit by a Genjutsu or even Amaterasu considering the linear style of this Jutsu.

There's the fact that Juubito was forced to block Sasuke's Susanoo attack...Raikage isn't dodging that whether lightened or not. There's the fact that Sasuke can easily summon Aoda or his Hawk to act as diversions. He can kill the Raikage who'll be distracted while trying to fully take down Aoda by completely running his Nukite through it. Mu is a non factor when Sauske can easily use his lightning variants even while in Susanoo disrupting Mu who'd have to actually take down the Hawk before comfortably using Jinton.