Pinnacle of shape manipulation, it's fanfiction.

[Naruto X Hunter]

It transforms the natural lightning into a dragon form...

BZ said that Sasuke had "tamed lightning itself." He isn't simply pulling it down.

Good point,i forgot about that.

 

[SenseiSama]

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THis made every shape through out his body, like water, it constantly changed form to maneuver around and do its job

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[Dantee]

Kirin isn't Shape Manipulation.It literally uses Lightning rather than transform the users chakra into Lightning.




Well Sakura does have perfect chakra control.It's required to be a medic ninja

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And you may remember how at the beginning of the story during the Tree climbing training,Sakura made it to the top on her first try,cause she had great chakra control,meanwhile Naruto and Sasuke had to work hard for days.You should give her some credit,she became one of the top Shinobi through hardwork,not even being a transmigrant or coming from a special clan.

Oh youre right about that

 

[SenseiSama]

Kirin isn't Shape Manipulation.It literally uses Lightning rather than transform the users chakra into Lightning.




Well Sakura does have perfect chakra control.It's required to be a medic ninja

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And you may remember how at the beginning of the story during the Tree climbing training,Sakura made it to the top on her first try,cause she had great chakra control,meanwhile Naruto and Sasuke had to work hard for days.You should give her some credit,she became one of the top Shinobi through hardwork,not even being a transmigrant or coming from a special clan.

Yes because her chakra was weak, Naruto had to learn how to control lagr volumes of chakra as well as having it disrupted by Kurama at the same time, meanwhile Sasuke had to learn how to control his potent chakra, eventually with experience they surpassed Sakura before she ever met Tsunade, Hinata was stronger than her at that point.

 

[lndra]

Yeah...

That's partly why I believe the manga went downhill after the invasion of Pain.

Too much rush.
Too much inconsistency.
Too much power scaling.

Yep.

Then let's all go back to the fact that Naruto using a simple rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation, and then Rasen shuriken tops that, and then look at FRS during the War Arc which is Bijuu sized. Kishimoto whether indirectly or not implied that Naruto's shape manipulation is beyond comprehension of the beyond average specimen.

To me everything went downhill with MS/Rinnegan/KCM/BM

If the fights consisted of 3T/Sage Mode with restrictions still like five minute use, and for Sasuke - strain after long periods of usage. Then Naruto would be more balanced. Though with EMS which basically allows you to spam moves consistently, and BM which allows you to draw chakra and do moves with an almost never ending source. The author can freely do anything.

 

[ANiMUS]

Even better,when Sasuke was taking chakra from all the Bijuu,the Kyuubi said he was almost unrivalled,and put him on the Sage's level.

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Sasuke has better chakra control than Naruto.

I would say that this susano'o is the pinnacle of Chakra control rivaling only Hagoromo's creation of the bijuu.

Rasengan is probably the pinnacle of shape manipulation though

Kyuubi's praise>kakashi's

As for Sakura's byakugou :|

It all depends whether u consider it more skillful to correctly manage a massive amount of chakra or fine precision with a normal chakra pool

 

[Melanin]

:|
"Absolute highest level"

Pinnacle: highest point of something

Pinnacle - the most successful point; the culmination.

The manga doesn't state that Minato's specif technique compared to the other variations of shape manipulation is the most successful point of shape manipulation.

One of those variations being: Twin Lion fist

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柔歩双獅拳 Juuho Soushiken (Gentle Step: Twin Lion Fists)
Taijutsu, Kekkei Genkai, Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary, Short Range

拳に宿す強き意思！！
Strong will held in the fists!!
その姿双頭の獅子の如し！！
Its form is double lion heads!!
日向一族の中でも宗家にしか伝わっていない、柔拳秘伝高等体術。両手から放出するチャクラを形態変化させる ことで、リーチと破壊力を格段に向上させる。その腕はまるで獅子のような様相を呈し、触れた相手の経絡系を 喰らい尽くすのだ。
A secret high-level juuken technique, taught only to the main family of the Hyuuga clan. By changing the shape of chakra released from both hands, [the user] greatly increases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤ると失敗するため、習得は極めて困難緻密な技量と“白眼”があればこその 芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan.

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“八卦六十四掌”の威力を底上げすることができる。
It can be used to increase the power of Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yep.

Then let's all go back to the fact that Naruto using a simple rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation, and then Rasen shuriken tops that, and then look at FRS during the War Arc which is Bijuu sized. Kishimoto whether indirectly or not implied that Naruto's shape manipulation is beyond comprehension of the beyond average specimen.

To me everything went downhill with MS/Rinnegan/KCM/BM

If the fights consisted of 3T/Sage Mode with restrictions still like five minute use, and for Sasuke - strain after long periods of usage. Then Naruto would be more balanced. Though with EMS which basically allows you to spam moves consistently, and BM which allows you to draw chakra and do moves with an almost never ending source. The author can freely do anything.

Exactly.

In my opinion, the series should have ended with the final villain being at Pain's level.

The fact that Pain could create mountain sized balls of stone, and blow up villages with a single move already put him 2 or 3 tiers above anyone alive at the time.

He could have easily been scaled down and still near unbeatable, with the final villain being able to destroy such a wide area. I mean seriously, compare Pain to the standard Anbu (who are supposed to be some of the best of the best), and he might as well be God himself, and yet Pain is hardly top 10 at this point.

 

[FemmeFatale]

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Taking about part 1 Sakura, are you not controlling your chakra to shape it ?

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[Melanin]

Yep.

Then let's all go back to the fact that Naruto using a simple rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation, and then Rasen shuriken tops that, and then look at FRS during the War Arc which is Bijuu sized. Kishimoto whether indirectly or not implied that Naruto's shape manipulation is beyond comprehension of the beyond average specimen.

To me everything went downhill with MS/Rinnegan/KCM/BM

If the fights consisted of 3T/Sage Mode with restrictions still like five minute use, and for Sasuke - strain after long periods of usage. Then Naruto would be more balanced. Though with EMS which basically allows you to spam moves consistently, and BM which allows you to draw chakra and do moves with an almost never ending source. The author can freely do anything.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Solo Arrow]

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[Xlad]

Rasengan and only that alone can be considered as a pinnacle. Even Futon Rasenshuriken or other variants can't be considered higher pinnacles, despite their vast superiority. The reason why Rasengan is considered the

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is because it doesn't require an elemental nature to create and sustain.

 

[Melanin]

Rasengan and only that alone can be considered as a pinnacle. Even Futon Rasenshuriken or other variants can't be considered higher pinnacles, despite their vast superiority. The reason why Rasengan is considered the

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is because it doesn't require an elemental nature to create and sustain.

I'll rock with this.

Good looking.

 

[lndra]

Pinnacle - the most successful point; the culmination.

The manga doesn't state that Minato's specif technique compared to the other variations of shape manipulation is the most successful point of shape manipulation.
eases reach and destructive power. The arms become entirely like lions which drain the chakra network of those they touch.
チャクラコントロールを少しでも誤ると失敗するため、習得は極めて困難緻密な技量と“白眼”があればこその 芸当である。
Because it will fail at even the slightest mistake in chakra control, it is extremely difficult to learn this ability, which is a feat that requires the Byakugan

It doesn't really specify that Hinata's Lion fist is the acme of chakra control, it just needs precision. Hence why the slightest mistake will probably cause this ability to fail. With Rasengan, you need total skill alone to just perform the ability. Remember the three steps Naruto needed to even master the ability?

 

[Erebus]

At a point in time, Kakashi's words became void, just like the Hiruzen hype, the rasengan might have once been it but after Pain arc, not so much

 

[Melanin]

It doesn't really specify that Hinata's Lion fist is the acme of chakra control, it just needs precision. Hence why the slightest mistake will probably cause this ability to fail. With Rasengan, you need total skill alone to just perform the ability. Remember the three steps Naruto needed to even master the ability?

I'm getting it.. XD

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Shapes like dragons or other animals are pretty common, a lot of element users use it.

But Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation.

 

[lndra]

Exactly.

In my opinion, the series should have ended with the final villain being at Pain's level.

The fact that Pain could create mountain sized balls of stone, and blow up villages with a single move already put him 2 or 3 tiers above anyone alive at the time.

He could have easily been scaled down and still near unbeatable, with the final villain being able to destroy such a wide area. I mean seriously, compare Pain to the standard Anbu (who are supposed to be some of the best of the best), and he might as well be God himself, and yet Pain is hardly top 10 at this point.

It is hilarious how horribly scaled Pain was/is even now. The Rinnegan itself in Madara's hands took in Nine Tailed Beasts, and Pain could of done the same without the Akatsuki being formed seeing how no one could stop him.

The Rinnegan abilities are a problem too considering each one is a 1 HIT KO. The problem with Naruto is that most techniques ended up becoming one hit KO's, ending the superiority of shinobi with skill alone. What would be the point of using my sword, when I can just throw Susano'o arrows that are hard to dodge? Or what is the point of learning Taijutsu, when I can throw a giant ball of chakra with wind element added which causes it to have a high AOE damage?

Which is why shinobi who actually have /skill/ and rely on simple basic shinobi tools like kunai, shuriken, etc., have been reduced to horrible and weak characters. Biggest example of this is Kakashi.

Naruto as a manga would have been totally better if the enemies did not have giant power ups, but were on higher levels of skill/talent, which required the MC and everyone else to grow in not just power, but in performance.

 

[The Necromancer]

It is hilarious how horribly scaled Pain was/is even now. The Rinnegan itself in Madara's hands took in Nine Tailed Beasts, and Pain could of done the same without the Akatsuki being formed seeing how no one could stop him.

The Rinnegan abilities are a problem too considering each one is a 1 HIT KO. The problem with Naruto is that most techniques ended up becoming one hit KO's, ending the superiority of shinobi with skill alone. What would be the point of using my sword, when I can just throw Susano'o arrows that are hard to dodge? Or what is the point of learning Taijutsu, when I can throw a giant ball of chakra with wind element added which causes it to have a high AOE damage?

Which is why shinobi who actually have /skill/ and rely on simple basic shinobi tools like kunai, shuriken, etc., have been reduced to horrible and weak characters. Biggest example of this is Kakashi.

Naruto as a manga would have been totally better if the enemies did not have giant power ups, but were on higher levels of skill/talent, which required the MC and everyone else to grow in not just power, but in performance.

My most hated aspect? Eight Gates.

So you're telling me a taijutsu technique, having no relation to either Ashura's nor Indra's lineage (Like Mokuton and the Sharingan) could eventually not only match those abilities, but surpass them 10 fold? How is it that a simple technique anyone can learn can put the user on the level of literally god? Such bullshit.

I would have loved for the final villains to have intelligent powers, rather than brute powers.

Take MS Tobi for example. Dude was fighting 2 Perfect jins, an Eight Gates master, and Kakashi with MS and taijutsu alone, EVEN while Kakashi not only had intel on the ability, but the exact counter to the ability!

Kamui in my opinion was the most well-placed ability in the manga. Not too strong by itself. Not too extreme or wide scaled. Just deadly because of how skilled Tobi was.

 

[lndra]

My most hated aspect? Eight Gates.

So you're telling me a taijutsu technique, having no relation to either Ashura's nor Indra's lineage (Like Mokuton and the Sharingan) could eventually not only match those abilities, but surpass them 10 fold? How is it that a simple technique anyone can learn can put the user on the level of literally god? Such bullshit.

I would have loved for the final villains to have intelligent powers, rather than brute powers.

Take MS Tobi for example. Dude was fighting 2 Perfect jins, an Eight Gates master, and Kakashi with MS and taijutsu alone, EVEN while Kakashi not only had intel on the ability, but the exact counter to the ability!

Kamui in my opinion was the most well-placed ability in the manga. Not too strong by itself. Not too extreme or wide scaled. Just deadly because of how skilled Tobi was.

Funny enough Gai's father the original owner of the Eight Gates, supposedly used all 8 against the Seven Mist Swordsman. So Kishimoto tried to tell us that 8 Gate Guy, who stood against JJ Madara, would have had trouble defeating the Seven Mist Swordsman in Eight Gates. Unelss I missed something, most of them ACTUALLY survived that battle, if not all. The Eight Gates are completely broken, that and Lee's base speed. Imagine Naruto v. Lee Lol

Kamui itself is not broken because it has distinguished weaknesses, but when combined it is (DMS Kakashi for reference). Kakashi's version requires time to prepare, that and speedsters can avoid being caught in the AOE if fast enough. Kamui for Obito's version is extremely hack, but it does have a weakness. Obito can only stay intangible for a short while, and he has to be tangible when touching you.

In my opinion the hackest technique(s) in the guild so far are: Izanagi, Izanami, Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi, Sharingan Genjutsu, Sakura/Tsunade's super strength, RSM/BM Naruto, Koto Amatsukami, Flying Thunder God, and the Shadow Clone Jutsu.

I'll take about a few. For Super strength - The fact that Sakura is not the most capable fighter shows you how overpowered the technique is. One hit would kill anyone, that is a problem. One hit KO's are the source of bad scaling itself.

Shadow clone jutsu in the wrong hands is horrible. Imagine Gai/Lee creating a clone to use the Gates, rather than themselves. Imagine that, Gai could use 8 gates anytime he wants to, why? Because the clone will take the damage Lol

HELL. Imagine Ino using shadow clones to mind transfer someone while the real one goes to kill the transfer, why? Because if the clone dies inside someone else, it won't matter. Because it is a CLONE. So many problems in the manga XD